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Honest question here....why does everyone hate Ryan Braun (other than the fact that he's a very productive Brewer)?

 

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Honest question here....why does everyone hate Ryan Braun (other than the fact that he's a very productive Brewer)?

 

 

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Honest question here....why does everyone hate Ryan Braun (other than the fact that he's a very productive Brewer)?

 

Not nearly as much as Brewer fans will hate Prince Fielder when he defects to the Cubs. It really is the reasonable option over 10 years of Pujols.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they had " Douchebag Night" at Miller Park and first 15,000 fans get Ed Hardy shirts courtesty of Ryan Braun
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Honest question here....why does everyone hate Ryan Braun (other than the fact that he's a very productive Brewer)?

 

Not nearly as much as Brewer fans will hate Prince Fielder when he defects to the Cubs. It really is the reasonable option over 10 years of Pujols.

 

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Honest question here....why does everyone hate Ryan Braun (other than the fact that he's a very productive Brewer)?

 

Not nearly as much as Brewer fans will hate Prince Fielder when he defects to the Cubs. It really is the reasonable option over 10 years of Pujols.

 

Agreed

 

But how many years will it take to sign Prince? He's certainly a great option over the next 2-3 years but we don't need another Soriano on our hands.

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Honest question here....why does everyone hate Ryan Braun (other than the fact that he's a very productive Brewer)?

 

You throw this in here as a side note, like it shouldn't carry much weight. This is a GREAT reason to hate Ryan Braun. Not only is he an extremely productive Brewer who is infuriatingly good at baseball, but in the spirit of TT's post, I present the following arguments as well (spoilered just in case, for purposes of image sizes):

 

 

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Honest question here....why does everyone hate Ryan Braun (other than the fact that he's a very productive Brewer)?

 

Not nearly as much as Brewer fans will hate Prince Fielder when he defects to the Cubs. It really is the reasonable option over 10 years of Pujols.

 

Agreed

 

But how many years will it take to sign Prince? He's certainly a great option over the next 2-3 years but we don't need another Soriano on our hands.

 

6 years is the max I would go for Fielder (maybe 7 is the price is right like say 20 mil a year instead of 23-25 that's probably gonna take to get him). If Fielder is willing to sign for 5-6 years, then I think that's better than 8-10 years of Pujols IMO... and cheaper. If it was 7 years, Fielder will be 34 by the end of his contract and that's pretty much every guy with his build either falls off the cliff or is done with baseball by that age. Plus I would think Fielder would rather have a shorter contract IMO so if he's still hitting well at age 32-34, then he can still get another multi year deal.

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Honest question here....why does everyone hate Ryan Braun (other than the fact that he's a very productive Brewer)?

 

Not nearly as much as Brewer fans will hate Prince Fielder when he defects to the Cubs. It really is the reasonable option over 10 years of Pujols.

 

Agreed

 

But how many years will it take to sign Prince? He's certainly a great option over the next 2-3 years but we don't need another Soriano on our hands.

 

Fielder would be 28 next season. Soriano was 31 when the Cubs signed him. Fielder is also much better at baseball than Soriano. I'm not sure why you think a 27-year-old only has "2-3 great years" left in him.

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Fielder would be 28 next season. Soriano was 31 when the Cubs signed him. Fielder is also much better at baseball than Soriano. I'm not sure why you think a 27-year-old only has "2-3 great years" left in him.

I think his fitness level makes it a fair concern. Once he's over the hill and declining, he could go from great to worthless in a much shorter time frame than most other elite sluggers would.

 

At the end of the '96 season, Cecil Fielder turned 33. He played in 160 games that year, hit 39 HR, and OPS'd .834. By the time he was 35, he was done with baseball. (Granted, I don't know anything about any injuries.) I'm not saying that Prince is condemned to the same progression at the same age, but I think he'll see a similar rate of decline whenever that decline starts.

 

2-3 more great years for Prince is almost a guarantee. Another 2 to 3 is definitely very possible, but not necessarily a given, and anything past that is anyone's guess.

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Fielder would be 28 next season. Soriano was 31 when the Cubs signed him. Fielder is also much better at baseball than Soriano. I'm not sure why you think a 27-year-old only has "2-3 great years" left in him.

I think his fitness level makes it a fair concern. Once he's over the hill and declining, he could go from great to worthless in a much shorter time frame than most other elite sluggers would.

 

At the end of the '96 season, Cecil Fielder turned 33. He played in 160 games that year, hit 39 HR, and OPS'd .834. By the time he was 35, he was done with baseball. (Granted, I don't know anything about any injuries.) I'm not saying that Prince is condemned to the same progression at the same age, but I think he'll see a similar rate of decline whenever that decline starts.

 

2-3 more great years for Prince is almost a guarantee. Another 2 to 3 is definitely very possible, but not necessarily a given, and anything past that is anyone's guess.

 

Signing someone like Fielder to a 6-year-deal is nowhere near being in the same ballpark as Soriano's contract unless he just completely breaks down very early into his career. Hell, even an 8-year-contract wouldn't be the end of the world given the projected level of production and that he'd still be 36 at the end of it, though I really don't think he's going to get that many years. 6 years is probably what he'll end up with at the most, largely due to his weight, and the Cubs would be foolish to not go all in since they opted not to sign Dunn and if Pujols isn't available. Opting not to sign him to such a deal because he's fat and might suck for the last year when they have zilch on the horizon when it comes to someone manning 1B would be just yet another example of poor front office management by the Cubs.

 

Come on, him playing excellent baseball between ages 28-30 is only "very possible?"

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Fielder would be 28 next season. Soriano was 31 when the Cubs signed him. Fielder is also much better at baseball than Soriano. I'm not sure why you think a 27-year-old only has "2-3 great years" left in him.

I think his fitness level makes it a fair concern. Once he's over the hill and declining, he could go from great to worthless in a much shorter time frame than most other elite sluggers would.

 

At the end of the '96 season, Cecil Fielder turned 33. He played in 160 games that year, hit 39 HR, and OPS'd .834. By the time he was 35, he was done with baseball. (Granted, I don't know anything about any injuries.) I'm not saying that Prince is condemned to the same progression at the same age, but I think he'll see a similar rate of decline whenever that decline starts.

 

2-3 more great years for Prince is almost a guarantee. Another 2 to 3 is definitely very possible, but not necessarily a given, and anything past that is anyone's guess.

 

Signing someone like Fielder to a 6-year-deal is nowhere near being in the same ballpark as Soriano's contract unless he just completely breaks down very early into his career. Hell, even an 8-year-contract wouldn't be the end of the world given the projected level of production and that he'd still be 36 at the end of it, though I really don't think he's going to get that many years. 6 years is probably what he'll end up with at the most, largely due to his weight, and the Cubs would be foolish to not go all in since they opted not to sign Dunn and if Pujols isn't available. Opting not to sign him to such a deal because he's fat and might suck for the last year when they have zilch on the horizon when it comes to someone manning 1B would be just yet another example of poor front office management by the Cubs.

 

Come on, him playing excellent baseball between ages 28-30 is only "very possible?"

I said 28-30 was a guarantee. From there, the probability starts to decline from 100%, making the next few years after that still "very possible."

 

I would be on board with a 6-yr deal. In an 8-yr deal, those last two years could very well serve only as gifts to Fielder for the level of production he'd give for the first 4 to 6.

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Honest question here....why does everyone hate Ryan Braun (other than the fact that he's a very productive Brewer)?

 

Not nearly as much as Brewer fans will hate Prince Fielder when he defects to the Cubs. It really is the reasonable option over 10 years of Pujols.

 

Agreed

 

But how many years will it take to sign Prince? He's certainly a great option over the next 2-3 years but we don't need another Soriano on our hands.

 

Fielder would be 28 next season. Soriano was 31 when the Cubs signed him. Fielder is also much better at baseball than Soriano. I'm not sure why you think a 27-year-old only has "2-3 great years" left in him.

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