Manny Ramirez retires

[Rob]

Just heard it during the Red Sox - Yankees radio broadcast.

 

Looks like he got busted for steroid use again, if you trust the broadcasters.

 

Edit:

 

They started reading MLB's release. He was informed by MLB about a violation of their drug policy and rather than continue with the process they have for dealing with that, he decided to retire. It could possibly be recreational use, but it's not hard to make the jump to "was going to be suspended 100 games for PED usage, decided to call it quits."

Edited April 8, 2011 by Rob

[UMFan83]

wow

[Guest]

Both the retirement and the steroid use is on ESPN also so I'm guessing it's true.

[UMFan83]

"Major League Baseball recently notified Manny Ramirez of an issue under Major League Baseball's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program," the statement said. "Rather than continue with the process under the Program, Ramirez has informed MLB that he is retiring as an active player. If Ramirez seeks reinstatement in the future, the process under the Drug Program will be completed. MLB will not have any further comment on this matter."

[SouthSideRyan]

Well that was a poor fantasy choice for my 3rd OF

[SouthSideRyan]

Well that was a poor fantasy choice for my 3rd OF

 

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR FANTASY TEAM

[erik316wttn]

Manny being Manny?

[TruffleShuffle]

He's going to have a long wait to get into the hall of fame as a multiple offender.

[mookie]

This is awesome news. The Rays will stick suck, but they can't help but get better now.

[Old Style]

:lol:

[Derwood]

so this is official? he's on my HR Derby team

[javy knows my name]

Well that was a poor fantasy choice for my 3rd OF

 

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR FANTASY TEAM

 

hahaha

[Rob]

Well that was a poor fantasy choice for my 3rd OF

 

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR FANTASY TEAM

 

I cracked up laughing.

 

Then I remembered Manny Ramirez is on my fantasy team too.

[NCCubFan]

Now we know what the "family issue" that caused him to miss last night's game actually was.

[Elrhino]

You mean it's not natural for a 38 year old to be blasting 450 foot bombs to straight away center in a National League Divisional Series?

 

Not that I'm bitter or anything.

[SouthSideRyan]

Now we know what the "family issue" that caused him to miss last night's game actually was.

 

Maybe he took steroids to cope with the loss of his mother.

[Elrhino]

Now we know what the "family issue" that caused him to miss last night's game actually was.

 

Maybe he took steroids to cope with the loss of his mother.

 

We all need seek strength in times of grief. Some take it farther than others.

[imb]

Hall of Fame, yes or no?

[rocket]

Hall of Fame, yes or no?

 

easily. but he'll never get in.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hall of Fame, yes or no?

 

based on the numbers he produced, definitely. considering that he's been caught using PEDs twice now, it's pretty reasonable to think that he's been using throughout most of his major league career. so would he have been a HoF player without them? hard to say.

 

but for most of his career they weren't banned by the league and everyone was playing under the same lack of rules, so based on that i'd vote for him.

[erik316wttn]

What a dumbass.

[UMFan83]

Hall of Fame, yes or no?

 

based on the numbers he produced, definitely. considering that he's been caught using PEDs twice now, it's pretty reasonable to think that he's been using throughout most of his major league career. so would he have been a HoF player without them? hard to say.

 

but for most of his career they weren't banned by the league and everyone was playing under the same lack of rules, so based on that i'd vote for him.

 

Hasn't he actually gotten caught 3 times now?

 

He got caught from that 2003 anonymous testing that ended up not being so anonymous, then in 09 he got caught with the masking agent, and now. He would have only gotten punished for 2 of them but 3 different times over an 8 year period he was caught using PED's. I'd say its pretty likely he was using them his entire career, putting all of his numebrs in jeopardy.

 

He's gonna have a hard time making the HOF. If a proven steroid user makes the HOF, that will open the floodgates and then he'll get in. But until that happens he'll be standing on the sidelines like McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro and the rest.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hall of Fame, yes or no?

 

based on the numbers he produced, definitely. considering that he's been caught using PEDs twice now, it's pretty reasonable to think that he's been using throughout most of his major league career. so would he have been a HoF player without them? hard to say.

 

but for most of his career they weren't banned by the league and everyone was playing under the same lack of rules, so based on that i'd vote for him.

 

Hasn't he actually gotten caught 3 times now?

 

He got caught from that 2003 anonymous testing that ended up not being so anonymous, then in 09 he got caught with the masking agent, and now. He would have only gotten punished for 2 of them but 3 different times over an 8 year period he was caught using PED's. I'd say its pretty likely he was using them his entire career, putting all of his numebrs in jeopardy.

 

He's gonna have a hard time making the HOF. If a proven steroid user makes the HOF, that will open the floodgates and then he'll get in. But until that happens he'll be standing on the sidelines like McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro and the rest.

 

i'd say bonds (and to some extent clemens) are different cases because the numbers are so overwhelmingly good. bonds is the home run king, #3 all time in OPS+ and #2 in WAR among position players. clemens is #2 in WAR among pitchers and #10 in ERA+. i'd say you could make an easy case that even without PED use, those guys were HoF-caliber players. whereas some of the more borderline players - mcgwire, sosa, palmeiro - may not have been HoF players without "help."

[javy knows my name]

Hall of Fame, yes or no?

 

based on the numbers he produced, definitely. considering that he's been caught using PEDs twice now, it's pretty reasonable to think that he's been using throughout most of his major league career. so would he have been a HoF player without them? hard to say.

 

but for most of his career they weren't banned by the league and everyone was playing under the same lack of rules, so based on that i'd vote for him.

 

Hasn't he actually gotten caught 3 times now?

 

He got caught from that 2003 anonymous testing that ended up not being so anonymous, then in 09 he got caught with the masking agent, and now. He would have only gotten punished for 2 of them but 3 different times over an 8 year period he was caught using PED's. I'd say its pretty likely he was using them his entire career, putting all of his numebrs in jeopardy.

 

He's gonna have a hard time making the HOF. If a proven steroid user makes the HOF, that will open the floodgates and then he'll get in. But until that happens he'll be standing on the sidelines like McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro and the rest.

 

i'd say bonds (and to some extent clemens) are different cases because the numbers are so overwhelmingly good. bonds is the home run king, #3 all time in OPS+ and #2 in WAR among position players. clemens is #2 in WAR among pitchers and #10 in ERA+. i'd say you could make an easy case that even without PED use, those guys were HoF-caliber players. whereas some of the more borderline players - mcgwire, sosa, palmeiro - may not have been HoF players without "help."

 

I think you're right. I also don't think the committee is going to see it that way.

 

If they can keep an extremely deserving, decent guy out for kicking his heels a few times, what chance does an [expletive] who cheated have?

Edited April 8, 2011 by Castro's Spray Chart

[Sammy Sofa]

You mean it's not natural for a 38 year old to be blasting 450 foot bombs to straight away center in a National League Divisional Series?

 

Not that I'm bitter or anything.

 

So does that mean we can stop automatically assuming Aaron was "all natural?" Because that would be awesome.