Sabermetrics: Prepare to be destroyed

[Guest]

The Beauty of Short Hops demonstrates that the Moneyball approach is doubly doomed. First, it fails on its own terms: it cannot make baseball a predictable game wholly understandable in numerical terms. Indeed, the teams which use this approach have not fared well. Second, the Moneyball approach blocks out what is most compelling about the sport – its relentless capacity to surprise. The authors watched all 162 Red Sox games in 2009, and catalog the crazy events (such as a game turning on a ball striking a pigeon in the outfield) that enrich baseball and defeat the best-laid plans of sabermetricians.

[SouthSideRyan]

Now put it in blue so CT can read it

[Sammy Sofa]

But if it was a regional author he would have been fair game. And a local author? Christ knows how they can even feed themselves.

 

Hopefully someone stops feeding you.

 

I guess I should have expected as such from this board. Someone disagrees, calls you on your stupidity and the name calling ensues. Clearly missing the point as usual but masking it with some supposed "witty" reply that makes no sense.

 

Thank you for adding to the examples in this thread of what is wrong with this community of bullies and jerks

 

Then don't post such stupid posts.

Edited March 11, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[javy knows my name]

Now put it in blue so CT can read it

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Northside Blues]

If a book is titled "Why JFK never really existed" would you have to read it to know it was terriblle

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If a book is titled "Why JFK never really existed" would you have to read it to know it was terriblle

I think that would depend on whether or not it was a national author.

[Sammy Sofa]

If a book is titled "Why JFK never really existed" would you have to read it to know it was terriblle

I think that would depend on whether or not it was a national author.

 

If it was an international author we'd all be slaves under his conquering fist.

[daske17]

If a book is titled "Why JFK never really existed" would you have to read it to know it was terriblle

 

I've never actually met Kennedy. After Avatar, who knows what's real any more?

[USSoccer]

The Beauty of Short Hops demonstrates that the Moneyball approach is doubly doomed. First, it fails on its own terms: it cannot make baseball a predictable game wholly understandable in numerical terms. Indeed, the teams which use this approach have not fared well. Second, the Moneyball approach blocks out what is most compelling about the sport – its relentless capacity to surprise. The authors watched all 162 Red Sox games in 2009, and catalog the crazy events (such as a game turning on a ball striking a pigeon in the outfield) that enrich baseball and defeat the best-laid plans of sabermetricians.

 

But what's it about?

[SouthSideRyan]

He doesn't know. He hasn't read it.

[tfarks]

Predicting pigeon movement? I got a guy for that.

 

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[Tyrant]

how silly of me to think that a national author knows more about this then a bunch of internet message board know it alls. The reaction here is ridiculous. I suspect the "NSBB debunking of all things" book to be released with great fanfare later this summer.

 

Perhaps reading something with an Slightly open mind might be better than simply making fun of something without even knowing anything about it. Its ridiculous to completely discredit something without even reading it.

 

Snooki wrote a novel.

[mike2482]

But if it was a regional author he would have been fair game. And a local author? Christ knows how they can even feed themselves.

 

Hopefully someone stops feeding you.

 

I guess I should have expected as such from this board. Someone disagrees, calls you on your stupidity and the name calling ensues. Clearly missing the point as usual but masking it with some supposed "witty" reply that makes no sense.

 

Thank you for adding to the examples in this thread of what is wrong with this community of bullies and jerks

 

Perhaps its not your stance on the subject that receives the response, but the smug and sarcastic comment that you made originally that brought on the response.

[davearm2]

Calling out the bullies and jerks AND questioning sabermetrics all in one thread. This will not end well.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh my. PLEASE join in.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I like to think this has already come to a peaceful conclusion.

[davearm2]

I like to think this has already come to a peaceful conclusion.

By this you mean the lone dissenting voice has been sufficiently mocked and shouted down.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yessssssssssssss....YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO....

[Ding Dong Johnson]

You say "sufficiently", some may say "deservedly".

[javy knows my name]

Yessssssssssssss....YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO....

 

Getcha popcorn ready!

[Formerly Snayke]

I like to think this has already come to a peaceful conclusion.

By this you mean the lone dissenting voice has been sufficiently mocked and shouted down.

 

There's no defending the premise of this book. It's insane.

[Dr. Cub]

I like to think this has already come to a peaceful conclusion.

By this you mean the lone dissenting voice has been sufficiently mocked and shouted down.

 

There's no defending the premise of this book. It's insane.

 

Bingo!!! Also, people have died during surgery due to factors outside the control (ie, weird, and random coincidences) of the surgeon. Thus, surgery has been debunked as bogus.

[USSoccer]

I like to think this has already come to a peaceful conclusion.

By this you mean the lone dissenting voice has been sufficiently mocked and shouted down.

 

It's been a while since we've had a groupthink meme post. I, for one, welcome it back.

 

Just so it can be shouted down. And mocked.

[Tryptamine]

Perhaps reading something with an Slightly open mind might be better than simply making fun of something without even knowing anything about it. Its ridiculous to completely discredit something without even reading it.

 

This message should probably be relayed to the authors of The Beauty of Short Hops.

 

Have you even read the book? how do you know what the conclusions are based on? Perhaps you should read the book before assuming you know what the authors are about.

 

The synopsis was enough to assure me that reading this book in it's entirety would make my head hurt.

[Sammy Sofa]

I like to think this has already come to a peaceful conclusion.

By this you mean the lone dissenting voice has been sufficiently mocked and shouted down.

 

It's been a while since we've had a groupthink meme post. I, for one, welcome it back.

 

Just so it can be shouted down. And mocked.

 

[expletive] yeah. That's what made NSBB great in the first place. The book is the epitome of Cubs.com garbage.