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[Bryants Disco Ball]

Not that the Cubs are going to listen to me, but even if there is a chance to get him, I officially no longer want Albert Pujols this offseason for the price tag he is going to command.

 

I will admit I haven't watched him all season, but he doesn't look anywhere near the player I've seen in the past. Against the Brewers tonight, he had three of the worst swings I've ever seen him take. I know it sounds foolish to base anything off a few games, etc., but the dude just doesn't pass the eye test anymore. He is in a decline, and I want nothing to do with him for the next seven years at $25 million plus.

[Sammy Sofa]

Not that the Cubs are going to listen to me, but even if there is a chance to get him, I officially no longer want Albert Pujols this offseason for the price tag he is going to command.

 

I will admit I haven't watched him all season, but he doesn't look anywhere near the player I've seen in the past. Against the Brewers tonight, he had three of the worst swings I've ever seen him take. I know it sounds foolish to base anything off a few games, etc., but the dude just doesn't pass the eye test anymore. He is in a decline, and I want nothing to do with him for the next seven years at $25 million plus.

 

Pujols over the last week:

 

.385 .407 .808 1.215

 

Last two weeks:

 

.309 .333 .655 .988

 

Last month:

 

.295 .330 .625 .955

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Not that the Cubs are going to listen to me, but even if there is a chance to get him, I officially no longer want Albert Pujols this offseason for the price tag he is going to command.

 

I will admit I haven't watched him all season, but he doesn't look anywhere near the player I've seen in the past. Against the Brewers tonight, he had three of the worst swings I've ever seen him take. I know it sounds foolish to base anything off a few games, etc., but the dude just doesn't pass the eye test anymore. He is in a decline, and I want nothing to do with him for the next seven years at $25 million plus.

 

Pujols over the last week:

 

.385 .407 .808 1.215

 

Last two weeks:

 

.309 .333 .655 .988

 

Last month:

 

.295 .330 .625 .955

 

Great last week for Pujols against two of the worst teams in MLB

 

The numbers for the last two weeks and month is a decline from his previous big bad self. Most (Avg., OBP, OPS) all are much lower or lower than his career numbers and the slugging is right at his career numbers.

 

I certainly don't want to act like I don't think Albert Pujols is a good baseball player anymore. But the dude is no longer the old Pujols and is not going to be worth near the contract the Cards (hopefully) give him.

[MSG T]

Not that the Cubs are going to listen to me, but even if there is a chance to get him, I officially no longer want Albert Pujols this offseason for the price tag he is going to command.

 

I will admit I haven't watched him all season, but he doesn't look anywhere near the player I've seen in the past. Against the Brewers tonight, he had three of the worst swings I've ever seen him take. I know it sounds foolish to base anything off a few games, etc., but the dude just doesn't pass the eye test anymore. He is in a decline, and I want nothing to do with him for the next seven years at $25 million plus.

 

Pujols over the last week:

 

.385 .407 .808 1.215

 

Last two weeks:

 

.309 .333 .655 .988

 

Last month:

 

.295 .330 .625 .955

 

Great last week for Pujols against two of the worst teams in MLB

 

The numbers for the last two weeks and month is a decline from his previous big bad self. Most (Avg., OBP, OPS) all are much lower or lower than his career numbers and the slugging is right at his career numbers.

 

I certainly don't want to act like I don't think Albert Pujols is a good baseball player anymore. But the dude is no longer the old Pujols and is not going to be worth near the contract the Cards (hopefully) give him.

 

 

The last two months he's been pretty much what he's always been. April and May were pretty bad, but he's been back to great since then.

[Sammy Sofa]

Pujols career OPS: 1.040.

 

Pujols bouncing back in June from his bad start:

 

.317 .419 .778 1.197

 

Again, July:

 

.295 .330 .625 .955

 

The nice thing about a player like Pujols is that even when he does start to decline he's still going to be better than everyone else or among the very best.

[dew1679666265]

Great last week for Pujols against two of the worst teams in MLB

 

The numbers for the last two weeks and month is a decline from his previous big bad self. Most (Avg., OBP, OPS) all are much lower or lower than his career numbers and the slugging is right at his career numbers.

 

I certainly don't want to act like I don't think Albert Pujols is a good baseball player anymore. But the dude is no longer the old Pujols and is not going to be worth near the contract the Cards (hopefully) give him.

 

He was also at an 1.197 OPS in June. He had a .997 OPS in 2007 before rebounding to have three straight 1.000+ OPS seasons. Is this year the start of a decline overall? Possibly. Or it could be another down year like 2007 was and he'll rebound to three straight awesome seasons.

 

I'm not ready to write off one of the greatest hitters in the history of the game because he got off to a slow start the first two months of the season.

Edited August 2, 2011 by dew

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I'm asking you all to trust me on this. :)

 

No matter what the numbers say, no matter what you think of Albert Pujols, throw it out the window and just trust me: We do not want this man for the $25 to $30 million and the six, seven or eight years he is going to cost.

[MSG T]

I also forgot to add, he's been pretty unlucky all year. His career BABIP is .311, this year it's at .253. His last two months OPS has been 1.197 (June) and .955 (July), and he's done that with BABIPs of .231 (June) and .253 (July). So he's OPSing nearly 1.000 (or better) and been unlucky, what will he be like when he's back to neutral luck (for him)?

[Outshined_One]

I'm asking you all to trust me on this. :)

 

No.

[MSG T]

Pujols career OPS: 1.040.

 

Pujols bouncing back in June from his bad start:

 

.317 .419 .778 1.197

 

Again, July:

 

.295 .330 .625 .955

 

The nice thing about a player like Pujols is that even when he does start to decline he's still going to be better than everyone else or among the very best.

 

 

Exactly. He can have a horrible season and still OPS nearly .900. He'd still be one of the top 3 1B in baseball.

[JimSorgi]

I'm asking you all to trust me on this. :)

 

No matter what the numbers say, no matter what you think of Albert Pujols, throw it out the window and just trust me: We do not want this man for the $25 to $30 million and the six, seven or eight years he is going to cost.

So you want us to ignore his decade of dominance and trust you cuz you saw him have a few bad swings?

 

Oh ok good plan

[SouthSideRyan]

Let's also ignore the drastic difference between this year's run environment versus the run environment throughout Pujols's career.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I'm asking you all to trust me on this. :)

 

No matter what the numbers say, no matter what you think of Albert Pujols, throw it out the window and just trust me: We do not want this man for the $25 to $30 million and the six, seven or eight years he is going to cost.

So you want us to ignore his decade of dominance and trust you cuz you saw him have a few bad swings?

 

Oh ok good plan

 

Every player starts to decline at some point, and Albert is starting to. Does that mean he isn't worth a really nice contract? No. But he will not be worth the huge contract he is going to receive and the years to go with it.

 

People can show all the numbers they want to, but I have a hard time believing the same people can't also see that the guy is starting to show cracks. You don't go from Superman to crap overnight, but I have no interest in paying for a declining guy when we didn't even get his MVP years.

[Sammy Sofa]

Please tell me you have more to back this up than "I saw a few 'bad' swings."

[KingCubsFan]

The huge drop in walks is pretty concerning.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Please tell me you have more to back this up than "I saw a few 'bad' swings."

 

I do. His numbers are declining in his age 31 season and I see a natural progression that they are going to continue to decline to the point that paying him $30 million per season for eight years would be a horrible deal. He will transform from an MVP player to a good one. We also will start to watch his defense dwindle to below average and his games missed due to injury increase by the middle of the deal.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

The huge drop in walks is pretty concerning.

 

Yup. Was going to bring that up, too. He's not walking because he's swinging at a ton more crap. Maybe he's pressing to get a big contract, but the dude is swinging at more junk than ever before.

[Sammy Sofa]

You're pretty confident about this. I keep waiting for some kind of ace up your sleeve. Edited August 2, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[Guest]

The huge drop in walks is pretty concerning.

 

Yup. Was going to bring that up, too. He's not walking because he's swinging at a ton more crap. Maybe he's pressing to get a big contract, but the dude is swinging at more junk than ever before.

 

"A ton" in this case = 0.7% more than last year.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

You're pretty confident about this. I keep waiting for some kind of ace up your sleeve.

You're just going to have to trust him.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

You're pretty confident about this. I keep waiting for some kind of ace up your sleeve.

 

No ace. Just a very, very confident feeling from watching Albert Pujols play baseball this year as to past years.

 

You obviously want Pujols. So, play GM for a second. Would you pay Albert $30 mil for eight years? If not, how high would you go to get him and how many years?

[Sammy Sofa]

Anywhere between $25 and $30 million. Ideally not for more than 8 years.

 

Look, if he has another regression and starts looking more like he did the first two months there's definitely more reason for concern. But if he's OPS-ing around 1.000 the rest of the way I'm not too worried about at least the first half of such a deal.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Anywhere between $25 and $30 million. Ideally not for more than 8 years.

 

I respect that. But just be prepared to have people like me bashing you when this goes bad and you've saddled our franchise with yet another crappy contract midway through. But if he wins us a World Series in the first three seasons, I'll praise you as a hero.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

You're pretty confident about this. I keep waiting for some kind of ace up your sleeve.

You're just going to have to trust him.

 

At least give me this: Albert Pujols is not as good of a baseball player this year as he has been throughout his career and it's not impossible to imagine that he is starting to decline. And that in four years, he isn't going to be worth anywhere near the money the Cardinals (hopefully) pay him.

Edited August 2, 2011 by Bryant's Disco Ball

[Bryants Disco Ball]

The huge drop in walks is pretty concerning.

 

Yup. Was going to bring that up, too. He's not walking because he's swinging at a ton more crap. Maybe he's pressing to get a big contract, but the dude is swinging at more junk than ever before.

 

"A ton" in this case = 0.7% more than last year.

 

And it's only going to get worse.