Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[Tarver]

I was speaking of the league-decline. Granted, the unusual situations in LA and NY are pushing the numbers, but 10 years seems waaay too excessive to me.

 

If he wants ten years, start at 23 and go from there. If he wants 30, we should be talking about a six years tops. Unless you just want to drive up the price to hamstring the Cards, seems like ourselves and Anaheim are the only teams with the right set of circumstances to make sense for him(unless he just wants the $ and will play for someone like Baltimore or Seattle, of course).

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

THE CUBS HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY.

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

MY WHITE SOX FAN GRANDPA SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT ALBERT BELLE.

[SouthSideRyan]

If I was Pujols and the Cubs offered my 6/180, I'd punch Jim Hendry in the face.

[Sammy Sofa]

I was speaking of the league-decline. Granted, the unusual situations in LA and NY are pushing the numbers, but 10 years seems waaay too excessive to me.

 

If he wants ten years, start at 23 and go from there. If he wants 30, we should be talking about a six years tops. Unless you just want to drive up the price to hamstring the Cards, seems like ourselves and Anaheim are the only teams with the right set of circumstances to make sense for him(unless he just wants the $ and will play for someone like Baltimore or Seattle, of course).

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

THE CUBS HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY.

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

MY WHITE SOX FAN GRANDPA SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT ALBERT BELLE.

 

Hahahahahaahahaah! Really? OK, let's hope the Cubs don't sign Albert [expletive] Pujols because Albert Belle existed.

[Tarver]

Yeah, but no way the Reds can afford Votto. And I don't thinks Al is 31.

[Tarver]

I was speaking of the league-decline. Granted, the unusual situations in LA and NY are pushing the numbers, but 10 years seems waaay too excessive to me.

 

If he wants ten years, start at 23 and go from there. If he wants 30, we should be talking about a six years tops. Unless you just want to drive up the price to hamstring the Cards, seems like ourselves and Anaheim are the only teams with the right set of circumstances to make sense for him(unless he just wants the $ and will play for someone like Baltimore or Seattle, of course).

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

THE CUBS HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY.

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

MY WHITE SOX FAN GRANDPA SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT ALBERT BELLE.

 

Hahahahahaahahaah! Really? OK, let's hope the Cubs don't sign Albert [expletive] Pujols because Albert Belle existed.

 

Ok, laugh at me when you're the one being flippant

[Sammy Sofa]

And I don't thinks Al is 31.

 

So how do you think he got away with hiding his age over the last decade?

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah i get that people have a little concern about the contract length and all that, but really, if you're not going to throw a crap-ton of money at him then who are you waiting for? prince fielder is fat and probably will age poorly, plus he is already lousy defensively, adrian gonzalez is off the market, etc. if you pass on pujols that's how you end up trying to cobble together a winning club with the carlos penas and adam laroches of the world. if you want an elite hitter like miggy cabrera, adrian gonzalez, pujols, etc you have to be willing to pay a heavy price via trade or free agency.

[Sammy Sofa]

I was speaking of the league-decline. Granted, the unusual situations in LA and NY are pushing the numbers, but 10 years seems waaay too excessive to me.

 

If he wants ten years, start at 23 and go from there. If he wants 30, we should be talking about a six years tops. Unless you just want to drive up the price to hamstring the Cards, seems like ourselves and Anaheim are the only teams with the right set of circumstances to make sense for him(unless he just wants the $ and will play for someone like Baltimore or Seattle, of course).

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

THE CUBS HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY.

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

MY WHITE SOX FAN GRANDPA SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT ALBERT BELLE.

 

Hahahahahaahahaah! Really? OK, let's hope the Cubs don't sign Albert [expletive] Pujols because Albert Belle existed.

 

Ok, laugh at me when you're the one being flippant

 

Because you're being hilarious.

 

And yes, I'm going to be "flippant" when we here for the bajillionth time someone not wanting the Cubs to sign maybe the best hitter ever because of this phobia that the Cubs are now going to a team perpetually hamstrung by a limited payroll instead of the big market team that makes a ton of money and would make a [expletive]-ton of money if they were good again and how a ginormous superstar. Signing Pujols for a ridiculous deal wouldn't preclude them from making other big FA signings, even in the same offseason, and it certainly wouldn't going forward. People are basically arguing to not sign him out of the fear of more bad smaller contracts for other players.

[Sammy Sofa]

yeah i get that people have a little concern about the contract length and all that, but really, if you're not going to throw a crap-ton of money at him then who are you waiting for? prince fielder is fat and probably will age poorly, plus he is already lousy defensively, adrian gonzalez is off the market, etc. if you pass on pujols that's how you end up trying to cobble together a winning club with the carlos penas and adam laroches of the world. if you want an elite hitter like miggy cabrera, adrian gonzalez, pujols, etc you have to be willing to pay a heavy price via trade or free agency.

 

Exactly.

[Tarver]

And I don't thinks Al is 31.

 

So how do you think he got away with hiding his age over the last decade?

 

Anything I say is anecdotal, but I used to work for the company that sold his JC's team in KC all their gear. Consensus among those people was he's much older. If you look at the old team pics he's markedly thicker, especially upper-body and through the hips. Make of that what you will.

[Tarver]

I was speaking of the league-decline. Granted, the unusual situations in LA and NY are pushing the numbers, but 10 years seems waaay too excessive to me.

 

If he wants ten years, start at 23 and go from there. If he wants 30, we should be talking about a six years tops. Unless you just want to drive up the price to hamstring the Cards, seems like ourselves and Anaheim are the only teams with the right set of

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

THE CUBS HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY.

 

IT'S PUJOLS.

 

 

 

Ok, laugh at me when you're the one being flippant

 

Because you're being hilarious.

 

And yes, I'm going to be "flippant" when we here for the bajillionth time someone not wanting the Cubs to sign maybe the best hitter ever because of this phobia that the Cubs are now going to a team perpetually hamstrung by a limited payroll instead of the big market team that makes a ton of money and would make a [expletive] of money if they were good again and how a ginormous superstar. Signing Pujols for a ridiculous deal wouldn't preclude them from making other big FA signings, even in the same offseason, and it certainly wouldn't going forward. People are basically arguing to not sign him out of the fear of more bad smaller contracts for other players.

 

Don't lump my ass in with whoever else you've argued with. I want Pujols, I just recognize that because most of the other big market squads aren't in a position to compete with us that we don't have spend like drunken sailors.

[Sammy Sofa]

And I don't thinks Al is 31.

 

So how do you think he got away with hiding his age over the last decade?

 

Anything I say is anecdotal, but I used to work for the company that sold his JC's team in KC all their gear. Consensus among those people was he's much older. If you look at the old team pics he's markedly thicker, especially upper-body and through the hips. Make of that what you will.

 

And what would they be basing that on? And why wouldn't that information have not been leaked or exposed? That would be a huge story. Plus you had the huge crackdown in the wake of 9/11 with all the extra scrutiny being paid to player's visas and documentation. Yes, you had guys who sort of snuck through like Soriano because of his relatively weird path coming from Japan and the type of vias he had due to that...so how would Pujols have escaped the investigations that exposed the real ages of several other players?

[dew1679666265]

MY WHITE SOX FAN GRANDPA SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT ALBERT BELLE.

 

average WAR:

 

Albert Belle - 3.7 (first 8 seasons before signing with White Sox)

Albert Pujols - 8.0 (career)

 

Belle wasn't close to the player Pujols is.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

MY WHITE SOX FAN GRANDPA SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT ALBERT BELLE.

 

Hahahahahaahahaah! Really? OK, let's hope the Cubs don't sign Albert [expletive] Pujols because Albert Belle existed.

 

And Belle was really freakin good for the White Sox.

[Sammy Sofa]

Don't lump my ass in with whoever else you've argued with. I want Pujols, I just recognize that because most of the other big market squads aren't in a position to compete with us that we don't have spend like drunken sailors.

 

But nobody is saying pay him 30/10 just because the Cubs can. What's being said is that if that's what it takes, do it.

[Tarver]

And I don't thinks Al is 31.

 

So how do you think he got away with hiding his age over the last decade?

 

Anything I say is anecdotal, but I used to work for the company that sold his JC's team in KC all their gear. Consensus among those people was he's much older. If you look at the old team pics he's markedly thicker, especially upper-body and through the hips. Make of that what you will.

 

And what would they be basing that on? And why wouldn't that information have not been leaked or exposed? That would be a huge story. Plus you had the huge crackdown in the wake of 9/11 with all the extra scrutiny being paid to player's visas and documentation. Yes, you had guys who sort of snuck through like Soriano because of his relatively weird path coming from Japan and the type of vias he had due to that...so how would Pujols have escaped the investigations that exposed the real ages of several other players?

 

I don't know. That's why I qualified it by saying anecdotal; from my impressions there was a huge degree of jealousy/animosity present with the people he knew in KC.

[dew1679666265]

Don't lump my ass in with whoever else you've argued with. I want Pujols, I just recognize that because most of the other big market squads aren't in a position to compete with us that we don't have spend like drunken sailors.

 

I'm not advocating giving him a 10/300 contract because I want to. If we can get him for cheaper, we should certainly try. I'm simply using 10/300 because those were reportedly his demands and that's likely the ceiling of what we'd have to pay.

 

If he'll accept a more ARod-esque contract (10/275), fantastic. I'm guessing, though, that if he hits the open market he'll use ARod's contract as a baseline and his actual contract will be somewhere between that and the 10/300 he reportedly wants.

[Sammy Sofa]

And I don't thinks Al is 31.

 

So how do you think he got away with hiding his age over the last decade?

 

Anything I say is anecdotal, but I used to work for the company that sold his JC's team in KC all their gear. Consensus among those people was he's much older. If you look at the old team pics he's markedly thicker, especially upper-body and through the hips. Make of that what you will.

 

And what would they be basing that on? And why wouldn't that information have not been leaked or exposed? That would be a huge story. Plus you had the huge crackdown in the wake of 9/11 with all the extra scrutiny being paid to player's visas and documentation. Yes, you had guys who sort of snuck through like Soriano because of his relatively weird path coming from Japan and the type of vias he had due to that...so how would Pujols have escaped the investigations that exposed the real ages of several other players?

 

I don't know. That's why I qualified it by saying anecdotal; from my impressions there was a huge degree of jealousy/animosity present with the people he knew in KC.

 

So would you be willing to admit that the available evidence and a logical analysis of the situation would make any conclusion that he's somehow hiding his true age to be very farfetched and not really a good argument against the Cubs signing him?

[Tarver]

 

MY WHITE SOX FAN GRANDPA SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT ALBERT BELLE.

 

Hahahahahaahahaah! Really? OK, let's hope the Cubs don't sign Albert [expletive] Pujols because Albert Belle existed.

 

And Belle was really freakin good for the White Sox.

 

That was a quick reaction to Mojo's goofy post and you know it

[Tarver]

I admit that my feelings towards Pujols are biased against him because of my opinion of him as person, which is why I've avoided this thread for 30 pages.

 

This is the guy who bought a non-profit radio station that catered towards classical music and did a ton of fund raising for other cultural groups here in Stl and turned it into a christian broadcast format and bought them a bigger transmitter than 550 KTRS (the Card's old network).

 

He let Glenn Beck use him in a disgusting and totally obvious fashion and bragged about the experience afterwards.

 

I just wonder how his act will play in Chicago.

[TruffleShuffle]

well considering that you seem to be just about the only person in the world who thinks that pujols is a terrible person, i think "his act" will go over just fine in chicago, as long as he hits the ball.

[SouthSideRyan]

This is the guy who bought a non-profit radio station that catered towards classical music and did a ton of fund raising for other cultural groups here in Stl and turned it into a christian broadcast format and bought them a bigger transmitter than 550 KTRS (the Card's old network).

 

THIS MONSTER MUST BE STOPPED.

[Tarver]

well considering that you seem to be just about the only person in the world who thinks that pujols is a terrible person, i think "his act" will go over just fine in chicago, as long as he hits the ball.

 

I don't think he's a terrible person, but he is a fundie who's spent most of his time in conservative environments and he's not gonna change.

[Tarver]

Ok smartasses, 50 bucks says Pujols lives in Wheaton if he comes here

[TruffleShuffle]

Ok smartasses, 50 bucks says Pujols lives in Wheaton if he comes here

 

i don't care if he lives on the moon. if the guy was a serial rapist i'd have a problem with signing him, but his great character flaw is that he's a fundamental Christian? who gives a crap.