2011 NFL Draft Thread

[dew1679666265]

Between Suh trying to decapitate QBs and Fairley's penchant for drawing personal fouls, I have a feeling the Lions might very well kill someone's QB in the next few years.

 

Probably Jay Cutler.

[Formerly Snayke]

Wow, I just realized how good the Quinn pick was. I was thinking he sat out because of the brain tumor.

 

Thank you, Tennessee and Minnesota.

[Magnetic Curses]

if he had shown ANYTHING, ANYTHING, i would agree with you. but you start to look for a sign that a kid is a football player at some point, and when it doesn't come, you have to draw some conclusions.

 

like i said, when you play amidst people with no talent and you show nothing, who can you really blame for having no talent?

 

I don't know - and that's the key. We need to see more of Clausen before making a final decision on him. If you look at only last season, then yeah there's probably not much reason to consider him a viable starting NFL QB. But that's why evaluations should cover more than one season of production.

 

It's similar to deciding Cashner isn't any good because he struggled in the majors last year and completely ignoring his minor league numbers.

 

no it's not, really. lots of NFL quarterbacks get thrown in the fire their first season and show flashes of what they will become but are plagued by bad teams or inexperience. lots of non-NFL quarterback get thrown into the fire their first year and show nothing and then drown in flames. clausen is one of the latter.

[dew1679666265]

Wow, I just realized how good the Quinn pick was. I was thinking he sat out because of the brain tumor.

 

Thank you, Tennessee and Minnesota.

 

I love the Quinn pick by St Louis. He's an excellent talent.

 

Pouncey to Miami is interesting.

[Magnetic Curses]

damn, nice watches you mother-[expletive]

[dew1679666265]

no it's not, really. lots of NFL quarterbacks get thrown in the fire their first season and show flashes of what they will become but are plagued by bad teams or inexperience. lots of non-NFL quarterback get thrown into the fire their first year and show nothing and then drown in flames. clausen is one of the latter.

 

And I think you're assuming too much on just one year. If Clausen hadn't shown much pre-2010, I'd agree with you. But he posted very good collegiate numbers, looked very good in college and was impressive during pre-draft workouts. There's enough reason to believe he's got talent to not write him off after one bad year playing on a really bad team.

[Magnetic Curses]

no it's not, really. lots of NFL quarterbacks get thrown in the fire their first season and show flashes of what they will become but are plagued by bad teams or inexperience. lots of non-NFL quarterback get thrown into the fire their first year and show nothing and then drown in flames. clausen is one of the latter.

 

And I think you're assuming too much on just one year. If Clausen hadn't shown much pre-2010, I'd agree with you. But he posted very good collegiate numbers, looked very good in college and was impressive during pre-draft workouts. There's enough reason to believe he's got talent to not write him off after one bad year playing on a really bad team.

 

i won't repeat myself again, you know what i think.

 

but you honestly believe that there's a chance that he'll be "solid to very good", which is disturbing.

[Rex Buckingham]

What I like about all these QBs going early is that it will hopefully allow a better player to go to Chicago at 29

[SouthSideRyan]

The Pirates, Clippers, and Raiders are all better organizations than the Panthers. Can't wait til they draft Luck next year.

 

The JaMarcus Russell and Darrius Heyward-Bey picks disagree with you. At least Carolina picked somebody who had a great year. The Raiders picked a QB who had two good games and a WR who couldn't catch passes.

 

The Raiders won 8 games last year. The Panthers might win 8 games total in the next 4 years.

[Magnetic Curses]

ryan kerrigan? right on.

[Magnetic Curses]

[expletive] it, i really really want carimi. really bad.

[Magnetic Curses]

a lot

[dew1679666265]

i won't repeat myself again, you know what i think.

 

but you honestly believe that there's a chance that he'll be "solid to very good", which is disturbing.

 

I believe your opinion of Clausen should remain consistent with what you thought of him before last season. It's overreaction to honestly have no opinion on him and, after his rookie year, deciding he has no NFL talent whatsoever. It either shows that you place no value on collegiate performances or you place too much importance on one season of production (or lack thereof).

 

By your line of thinking, we should write off Cashner as a mediocre MLB pitcher at best.

[Rex Buckingham]

he'll probably prove to be a solid tackle for the Patriots...

 

also, Nate Solder is white?

[Splendid Splinter]

Hahaaha I picked Solder in the mock draft for the Patriots... LOL

[ELCABALLO45]

This pick is interesting for New England.

[Magnetic Curses]

i won't repeat myself again, you know what i think.

 

but you honestly believe that there's a chance that he'll be "solid to very good", which is disturbing.

 

I believe your opinion of Clausen should remain consistent with what you thought of him before last season. It's overreaction to honestly have no opinion on him and, after his rookie year, deciding he has no NFL talent whatsoever. It either shows that you place no value on collegiate performances or you place too much importance on one season of production (or lack thereof).

 

By your line of thinking, we should write off Cashner as a mediocre MLB pitcher at best.

 

no, because cashner has flashes of brilliance against high professional competition. clausen has not. with quarterbacks who are going to be good, you can see their talent early on. clausen is plodding, his footwork is bad, his release his slow, his arm isn't strong enough, and his decision-making is hard to evaluate because his accuracy is so bad, you're not even sure who he's trying to throw the ball to most of the time.

[Guest]

The Pirates, Clippers, and Raiders are all better organizations than the Panthers. Can't wait til they draft Luck next year.

 

The JaMarcus Russell and Darrius Heyward-Bey picks disagree with you. At least Carolina picked somebody who had a great year. The Raiders picked a QB who had two good games and a WR who couldn't catch passes.

 

The Raiders won 8 games last year. The Panthers might win 8 games total in the next 4 years.

 

The Raiders also set an NFL record for most consecutive 11+ loss seasons. Over that time period, the best coach they employed was Norv Turner. They also hired Bill Callahan, Art Shell and Lane Kiffin, and just let go of a coach who led them to their highest win total since the 2002 season.

 

And if the Raiders didn't play a total of 10 games against the two worst divisions in the NFL last year, they wouldn't have gone 8-8, as evidenced by their 0-6 record against the AFC South, Pittsburgh and Miami.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Pirates, Clippers, and Raiders are all better organizations than the Panthers. Can't wait til they draft Luck next year.

 

The JaMarcus Russell and Darrius Heyward-Bey picks disagree with you. At least Carolina picked somebody who had a great year. The Raiders picked a QB who had two good games and a WR who couldn't catch passes.

 

The Raiders won 8 games last year. The Panthers might win 8 games total in the next 4 years.

 

The Raiders also set an NFL record for most consecutive 11+ loss seasons. Over that time period, the best coach they employed was Norv Turner. They also hired Bill Callahan, Art Shell and Lane Kiffin, and just let go of a coach who led them to their highest win total since the 2002 season.

 

And if the Raiders didn't play a total of 10 games against the two worst divisions in the NFL last year, they wouldn't have gone 8-8, as evidenced by their 0-6 record against the

 

The fact that Bill Callahan was employed by the Raiders 6 years ago means absolutely nothing to me. I did forget that they fired Cable though, so I may concede that point. I'll still take the Raiders win total over the next 3 years vs. the Panthers.

[Tracer Bullet]

i won't repeat myself again, you know what i think.

 

but you honestly believe that there's a chance that he'll be "solid to very good", which is disturbing.

 

I believe your opinion of Clausen should remain consistent with what you thought of him before last season. It's overreaction to honestly have no opinion on him and, after his rookie year, deciding he has no NFL talent whatsoever. It either shows that you place no value on collegiate performances or you place too much importance on one season of production (or lack thereof).

 

By your line of thinking, we should write off Cashner as a mediocre MLB pitcher at best.

 

no, because cashner has flashes of brilliance against high professional competition. clausen has not. with quarterbacks who are going to be good, you can see their talent early on. clausen is plodding, his footwork is bad, his release his slow, his arm isn't strong enough, and his decision-making is hard to evaluate because his accuracy is so bad, you're not even sure who he's trying to throw the ball to most of the time.

 

hey todd mcshay, you sound ridiculous.

[Magnetic Curses]

prove me wrong, kids, prove me wrong

[Magnetic Curses]

please take ingram

[TruffleShuffle]

i'm pretty pissed that prince just fell into the giants' lap.

[dew1679666265]

no, because cashner has flashes of brilliance against high professional competition. clausen has not. with quarterbacks who are going to be good, you can see their talent early on. clausen is plodding, his footwork is bad, his release his slow, his arm isn't strong enough, and his decision-making is hard to evaluate because his accuracy is so bad, you're not even sure who he's trying to throw the ball to most of the time.

 

Plenty of players show flashes of brilliance and never put it together. A player simply shouldn't be evaluated on a partial season of playing time.

[Magnetic Curses]

that works too