Dan Uggla

[Outshined_One]

According to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald, Dan Uggla has asked the Marlins for a five-year contract extension in the range of $58 million.

 

The Marlins, on the other hand, would prefer to give him a three-year contract in the range of $8 million per season. Uggla, who will be a free agent after the 2011 season, made $7.8 million in arbitration this year and projects to make even more this winter. There's always the possibility that he will be traded, but extension talks are set to resume in October.

 

Any interest in trading for him?

[tfarks]

Very much so, but it seems the Marlins are pretty intent on keeping him.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Not at that first price.

[Sammy Sofa]

Not at that first price.

 

Good point. The Cubs need to spend money on much worse players at positions where they can relatively minimal improvement instead.

[Rob]

5/58 is probably too high. He's a 3.5 - 4 win guy, but 30 years old and already playing bad defense at a position up the middle. If he loses another step, he's gonna finally have to move off 2B, which would put a pretty big hurt on his value.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Not at that first price.

 

Good point. The Cubs need to spend money on much worse players at positions where they can relatively minimal improvement instead.

 

Yeah what was I thinking. It's not like they have a 2B who's certainly capable of being a 95-105 OPS+ guy already at around the league minimum and at worst can be part of a fairly productive platoon partner with Baker.

 

Screw it, Instead of acquiring uggla let's just move Soriano back to second.

[TheVolCub08]

I'd rather roll the dice on Jed Lowrie. He's younger, costs much less in terms of money and talent required to get him, and might be a decent long-term solution.

 

Again, if ARam could net Lowrie and Lars Anderson, it would be a no-brainer to me.

 

Uggla is the type of move you make when you need one, maybe two bats to get to the next level. I don't think that is where we are as an organization, honestly.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Not at that first price.

 

Good point. The Cubs need to spend money on much worse players at positions where they can relatively minimal improvement instead.

 

Yeah what was I thinking. It's not like they have a 2B who's certainly capable of being a 95-105 OPS+ guy already at around the league minimum and at worst can be part of a fairly productive platoon partner with Baker.

 

Screw it, Instead of acquiring uggla let's just move Soriano back to second.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Not at that first price.

 

Good point. The Cubs need to spend money on much worse players at positions where they can relatively minimal improvement instead.

 

Yeah what was I thinking. It's not like they have a 2B who's certainly capable of being a 95-105 OPS+ guy already at around the league minimum and at worst can be part of a fairly productive platoon partner with Baker.

 

Screw it, Instead of acquiring uggla let's just move Soriano back to second.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yup, those are the only options.

[SCCubbieFAN]

does anyone know if Uggla can play 1st? if he's declining in defense at 2nd, is that his next likely move position-wise?

[davell]

Uggla's probably not a good longterm answer. I'm much more interested in Lawrie, if he's made available.

[dew1679666265]

Not at that first price.

 

Good point. The Cubs need to spend money on much worse players at positions where they can relatively minimal improvement instead.

 

Yeah what was I thinking. It's not like they have a 2B who's certainly capable of being a 95-105 OPS+ guy already at around the league minimum and at worst can be part of a fairly productive platoon partner with Baker.

 

Screw it, Instead of acquiring uggla let's just move Soriano back to second.

 

Uggla's worst season was a 108 OPS+ back in 2007. I'm not sure I'd trade for him at 30 years old and at that price, but he's a much better option than DeWitt.

[dew1679666265]

does anyone know if Uggla can play 1st? if he's declining in defense at 2nd, is that his next likely move position-wise?

 

He never has before and I'd assume it'd be a weird transition for a guy who only has played second.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Not at that first price.

 

Good point. The Cubs need to spend money on much worse players at positions where they can relatively minimal improvement instead.

 

Yeah what was I thinking. It's not like they have a 2B who's certainly capable of being a 95-105 OPS+ guy already at around the league minimum and at worst can be part of a fairly productive platoon partner with Baker.

 

Screw it, Instead of acquiring uggla let's just move Soriano back to second.

 

Uggla's worst season was a 108 OPS+ back in 2007. I'm not sure I'd trade for him at 30 years old and at that price, but he's a much better option than DeWitt.

 

If all things being equal I'd rather have uggla but a near 10 million dollar difference in salary for a team that is trying to be more econmically sound is a significant difference

[Guest]

Not at that first price.

 

Good point. The Cubs need to spend money on much worse players at positions where they can relatively minimal improvement instead.

 

Yeah what was I thinking. It's not like they have a 2B who's certainly capable of being a 95-105 OPS+ guy already at around the league minimum and at worst can be part of a fairly productive platoon partner with Baker.

 

Screw it, Instead of acquiring uggla let's just move Soriano back to second.

 

Uggla's worst season was a 108 OPS+ back in 2007. I'm not sure I'd trade for him at 30 years old and at that price, but he's a much better option than DeWitt.

If you pick a metric that takes some measure of defensive value into account, how big is the gap?

[dew1679666265]

If all things being equal I'd rather have uggla but a near 10 million dollar difference in salary for a team that is trying to be more econmically sound is a significant difference

 

That was my point. Uggla is a much better player, but I'm not sure I want to pay him $10+ mil a year for five years.

[dew1679666265]

If you pick a metric that takes some measure of defensive value into account, how big is the gap?

 

Just a note, I didn't pick the stat, I was simply responding to the chosen stat.

 

That said, if you look at WAR, Uggla has been anywhere from 2.4 (2007, his worst year offensively as well) to 5.1 (this year). DeWitt was a .8 WAR guy last year and a 2.4 WAR guy this year. Obviously you have PA issues there, though.

[Outshined_One]

Uggla's worst season was a 108 OPS+ back in 2007. I'm not sure I'd trade for him at 30 years old and at that price, but he's a much better option than DeWitt.

If you pick a metric that takes some measure of defensive value into account, how big is the gap?

 

Depends on whether or not you think DeWitt will improve defensively, considering 2010 was his first year in the majors full-time at 2B. This past season, UZR was not a fan of how he performed in the field. Now, granted, considering the guy is a plus defender at 3B, you would think that those tools would translate to 2B, given the proper amount of time and coaching. I think it would be a reasonably safe bet to say that he'll be a better defender than Uggla going forward. How much better is a question up for some debate.

[Tarver]

DeWitt sucks. He's valuable as a stopgap now because he's cheap. Cut him tomorrow and this team this is no worse.

[dew1679666265]

DeWitt sucks. He's valuable as a stopgap now because he's cheap. Cut him tomorrow and this team this is no worse.

 

The team is worse if you cut him tomorrow because there's no replacement. We'd have to spend money to find someone to replace him and that affects what upgrades we could make elsewhere.

[Geech]

Just a note, I didn't pick the stat, I was simply responding to the chosen stat.

 

That said, if you look at WAR, Uggla has been anywhere from 2.4 (2007, his worst year offensively as well) to 5.1 (this year). DeWitt was a .8 WAR guy last year and a 2.4 WAR guy this year. Obviously you have PA issues there, though.

 

According to fangraphs, DeWitt is a 2.4 WAR guy in his career.

[dew1679666265]

Just a note, I didn't pick the stat, I was simply responding to the chosen stat.

 

That said, if you look at WAR, Uggla has been anywhere from 2.4 (2007, his worst year offensively as well) to 5.1 (this year). DeWitt was a .8 WAR guy last year and a 2.4 WAR guy this year. Obviously you have PA issues there, though.

 

According to fangraphs, DeWitt is a 2.4 WAR guy in his career.

 

It would help if I could read. I looked at his last two lines of WAR and didn't look closely enough to whether it was 2009 and 2010 numbers or 2010 and career numbers.

 

That's one thing I'd like to see improved aesthetically on Fangraphs – a line or something to delineate each year from career totals.

[Geech]

It would help if I could read. I looked at his last two lines of WAR and didn't look closely enough to whether it was 2009 and 2010 numbers or 2010 and career numbers.

 

That's one thing I'd like to see improved aesthetically on Fangraphs – a line or something to delineate each year from career totals.

 

I agree. I have made that same mistake myself.

 

Anyway, I would have to say that the difference between Dan Uggla and Blake DeWitt at second base is probably going to be worth $11 million per year for the next five years. Depending on what the Marlins are asking in trade, the Cobs should probably look into it.

[Outshined_One]

Just a note, I didn't pick the stat, I was simply responding to the chosen stat.

 

That said, if you look at WAR, Uggla has been anywhere from 2.4 (2007, his worst year offensively as well) to 5.1 (this year). DeWitt was a .8 WAR guy last year and a 2.4 WAR guy this year. Obviously you have PA issues there, though.

 

According to fangraphs, DeWitt is a 2.4 WAR guy in his career.

 

Plus, it's worth pointing out that in 2008, when he posted a 1.7 WAR, his wOBA was a paltry .319. Most of his value came from his really good 3B defense that year.