Hellboy

[mookie]

Jeremy Hellickson is making his MLB debut currently. Just in case anyone was curious.

[Clem Fandango]

And they sent him right back to the minors. Used to give the rotation an extra day of rest.

 

“If he had thrown a no-hitter he’s still going back,” Tampa Bay manager Joe Maddon said. “We had this planned out. This is what we think is the right thing to do. He did his job. We’ve got five nice starters that got an extra day of rest because of him with a win.”

 

He was pretty damn good though

[davearm2]

“If he had thrown a no-hitter he’s still going back,” Tampa Bay manager Joe Maddon said. “We had this planned out. This is what we think is the right thing to do. He did his job. We’ve got five nice starters that got an extra day of rest because of him with a win.”

Interesting strategy that I'd never considered before: 3 or 4 times a year just push everyone in the rotation back a day just for the sake of not wearing them down so much, even if the 5 starters are all totally healthy and not up against innings limits or what have you.

[TruffleShuffle]

i was going to say that they should trade shields since they're loaded at SP and he might be getting paid too much, but he's only due $4.25M in 2011 and $7M in 2012, which is very team-friendly. Still, they could use a guy like him or wade davis or garza (who got a $3M raise this year and will see more in 2011) to get some nice prospects back. hellickson is probably the best pitcher not in the majors and they have a handful of other guys (matt moore, jake mcgee, alex torres) who will be ready pretty soon. another thing they should probably do is shift at least one guy to the bullpen, rather than dropping a lot of cash on a "proven" closer.

 

for a small/mid market team, tampa is in remarkably good shape. let's throw $10m a year at andy friedman and hope he takes it, haha.

[erik316wttn]

i was going to say that they should trade shields since they're loaded at SP and he might be getting paid too much, but he's only due $4.25M in 2011 and $7M in 2012, which is very team-friendly. Still, they could use a guy like him or wade davis or garza (who got a $3M raise this year and will see more in 2011) to get some nice prospects back. hellickson is probably the best pitcher not in the majors and they have a handful of other guys (matt moore, jake mcgee, alex torres) who will be ready pretty soon. another thing they should probably do is shift at least one guy to the bullpen, rather than dropping a lot of cash on a "proven" closer.

 

for a small/mid market team, tampa is in remarkably good shape. let's throw $10m a year at andy friedman and hope he takes it, haha.

 

And to think there were people throwing their name in with the Twins and Expos a few years ago with all that contraction nonsense. They have some really good people in their organization that molded all of those high draft picks into useful players. Other teams should model themselves after Tampa.

[erik316wttn]

“If he had thrown a no-hitter he’s still going back,” Tampa Bay manager Joe Maddon said. “We had this planned out. This is what we think is the right thing to do. He did his job. We’ve got five nice starters that got an extra day of rest because of him with a win.”

Interesting strategy that I'd never considered before: 3 or 4 times a year just push everyone in the rotation back a day just for the sake of not wearing them down so much, even if the 5 starters are all totally healthy and not up against innings limits or what have you.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with giving your starters extra rest, especially later in the season. Use a long man in the pen for that. But is it really wise to waste an option on a player and start his service clock early for just one game?

[Guest]

Hellickson is a top prospect, if his option clock ever becomes an issue then they'll only be losing flexibility with a 5 starter/bullpen guy because he flamed out, which isn't very likely. As for service time, you only accrue time for the days you spend on the roster, so spending a day or two there is nothing.

[erik316wttn]

Hellickson is a top prospect, if his option clock ever becomes an issue then they'll only be losing flexibility with a 5 starter/bullpen guy because he flamed out, which isn't very likely. As for service time, you only accrue time for the days you spend on the roster, so spending a day or two there is nothing.

 

Ok then. You learn something new every day.

[davearm2]

“If he had thrown a no-hitter he’s still going back,” Tampa Bay manager Joe Maddon said. “We had this planned out. This is what we think is the right thing to do. He did his job. We’ve got five nice starters that got an extra day of rest because of him with a win.”

Interesting strategy that I'd never considered before: 3 or 4 times a year just push everyone in the rotation back a day just for the sake of not wearing them down so much, even if the 5 starters are all totally healthy and not up against innings limits or what have you.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with giving your starters extra rest, especially later in the season. Use a long man in the pen for that. But is it really wise to waste an option on a player and start his service clock early for just one game?

Hellickson was already on TB's 40-man roster, so the option was already used for this year.

 

And as TT said, the service time is trivial.

Edited August 3, 2010 by davearm2

[chuckywang]

“If he had thrown a no-hitter he’s still going back,” Tampa Bay manager Joe Maddon said. “We had this planned out. This is what we think is the right thing to do. He did his job. We’ve got five nice starters that got an extra day of rest because of him with a win.”

Interesting strategy that I'd never considered before: 3 or 4 times a year just push everyone in the rotation back a day just for the sake of not wearing them down so much, even if the 5 starters are all totally healthy and not up against innings limits or what have you.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with giving your starters extra rest, especially later in the season. Use a long man in the pen for that. But is it really wise to waste an option on a player and start his service clock early for just one game?

 

Didn't the Rays already burn his option when they placed him on the 40 man at the beginning of the season?

[erik316wttn]

Does being on the 40 man affect arbitration, too, or is that just from time of ML debut?

[NCCubFan]

Only major league service time counts toward arbitration. Time in the minors while on the 40-man roster does not.

[erik316wttn]

Only major league service time counts toward arbitration. Time in the minors while on the 40-man roster does not.

 

Ok then.

[TruffleShuffle]

i was going to say that they should trade shields since they're loaded at SP and he might be getting paid too much, but he's only due $4.25M in 2011 and $7M in 2012, which is very team-friendly. Still, they could use a guy like him or wade davis or garza (who got a $3M raise this year and will see more in 2011) to get some nice prospects back. hellickson is probably the best pitcher not in the majors and they have a handful of other guys (matt moore, jake mcgee, alex torres) who will be ready pretty soon. another thing they should probably do is shift at least one guy to the bullpen, rather than dropping a lot of cash on a "proven" closer.

 

for a small/mid market team, tampa is in remarkably good shape. let's throw $10m a year at andy friedman and hope he takes it, haha.

 

And to think there were people throwing their name in with the Twins and Expos a few years ago with all that contraction nonsense. They have some really good people in their organization that molded all of those high draft picks into useful players. Other teams should model themselves after Tampa.

 

speaking of which, how stupid was it to try to contract the twins? they've been traditionally successful as a small to mid market team, and now they have a new ballpark and a payroll near $100m. trying to contract the twins might have been the worst thing that selig has done as commissioner.

[SouthSideRyan]

i was going to say that they should trade shields since they're loaded at SP and he might be getting paid too much, but he's only due $4.25M in 2011 and $7M in 2012, which is very team-friendly. Still, they could use a guy like him or wade davis or garza (who got a $3M raise this year and will see more in 2011) to get some nice prospects back. hellickson is probably the best pitcher not in the majors and they have a handful of other guys (matt moore, jake mcgee, alex torres) who will be ready pretty soon. another thing they should probably do is shift at least one guy to the bullpen, rather than dropping a lot of cash on a "proven" closer.

 

for a small/mid market team, tampa is in remarkably good shape. let's throw $10m a year at andy friedman and hope he takes it, haha.

 

And to think there were people throwing their name in with the Twins and Expos a few years ago with all that contraction nonsense. They have some really good people in their organization that molded all of those high draft picks into useful players. Other teams should model themselves after Tampa.

 

speaking of which, how stupid was it to try to contract the twins? they've been traditionally successful as a small to mid market team, and now they have a new ballpark and a payroll near $100m. trying to contract the twins might have been the worst thing that selig has done as commissioner.

 

It was because Pohlad offered the team up so he could get a quick buck. Carl Pohlad's evilness was second to only Jeff Loria

[TruffleShuffle]

good point. pretty appropriate that the twins have significantly increased their payroll in the 2 seasons after he died. carl pohlad was the bill wirtz of baseball.

[EhDubya]

I always figured he wanted to do it so that Milwaukee could obviously collect the team-less Twins fan casualties.

[KaiserCesar]

I always figured he wanted to do it so that Milwaukee could obviously collect the team-less Twins fan casualties.

 

My guess would be the Twin Cities would get their AAA affiliate, yeesh that would be such a raw deal. I just read something that the Twin City metro area has in all certainty surpassed Detroit metro in GDP making it the 2nd largest economy in the Midwest. On top of that, the Twins are clearly a top flight organization and have a strong mid-market payroll.

[NCCubFan]

He was scratched from his scheduled start for Durham today for a possible call-up to fill in for Wade Davis (shoulder soreness) on Tuesday.

[Guest]

good point. pretty appropriate that the twins have significantly increased their payroll in the 2 seasons after he died. carl pohlad was the bill wirtz of baseball.

They make some nice chain saws though.

[BigSlick]

good point. pretty appropriate that the twins have significantly increased their payroll in the 2 seasons after he died. carl pohlad was the bill wirtz of baseball.

They make some nice chain saws though.

on the other hand the twins aren't spending this new payroll super wisely (other than the most-obvious-resigning-of-the-century in mauer which i guess they wouldn't have made previously)

 

bill smith is slowly but surely gutting the young talent for bad players, making bad trade after bad trade and now their pitching, which surely should have been a strong point when looking from a vantage point 2-3 years ago to today, is really bad

 

bill smith- bad gm

[NCCubFan]

With the Rays' injured starters set to return Hellickson has been sent down to high-A ball. He's expected to return in a bullpen role when rosters expand.

[davell]

With the Rays' injured starters set to return Hellickson has been sent down to high-A ball. He's expected to return in a bullpen role when rosters expand.

 

 

Well, that will keep him under 50 innings and he'll be a ROY contender in 2011 anyway. I think I'd probably find a way to keep him IN the rotation though and make someone else move to the oen personally.

[TruffleShuffle]

good point. pretty appropriate that the twins have significantly increased their payroll in the 2 seasons after he died. carl pohlad was the bill wirtz of baseball.

They make some nice chain saws though.

on the other hand the twins aren't spending this new payroll super wisely (other than the most-obvious-resigning-of-the-century in mauer which i guess they wouldn't have made previously)

 

bill smith is slowly but surely gutting the young talent for bad players, making bad trade after bad trade and now their pitching, which surely should have been a strong point when looking from a vantage point 2-3 years ago to today, is really bad

 

bill smith- bad gm

 

surely you're referring to another twins organization, as this twins team has the #13 ERA in baseball (and it was several spots better when you posted this) and #6 WHIP. plus they've been victimized by lousy defense - they're #7 in both FIP and xFIP. if the twins' pitching is "really bad" then 3/4 of the teams in major league baseball have really bad pitching.

 

as for them not spending the new payroll super wisely, they lead their division by 3.5 games (ahead of two other organizations with larger payrolls), they're tied with the red sox for the 3rd best record in the league and the 6th best record in the entire league. so really, i have no idea what you're talking about in this post.