Keep Lou Piniella

[Bryants Disco Ball]

The only problem is that our whole team is pretty much slumping. Take out A Ram and put in a slumping player in his place. That's the problem with our 2010 Cubs. Not a lot of options. It's just not a very good team.

[JoshiQ]

The only problem is that our whole team is pretty much slumping. Take out A Ram and put in a slumping player in his place. That's the problem with our 2010 Cubs. Not a lot of options. It's just not a very good team.

 

This is a good point. Pointing out Hill replacing Soto is a good idea isn't.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

.250 .291 .308 .599

.254 .401 .405 .806

 

Who do I choose...hmm? I know next to nothing about baseball compared to most people on this board and even this is easy to figure out.

 

The only problem with those numbers is that Soto's used to be much, much better. Considering he was hitting in the high .300's and is now at .254, it's pretty easy to say he's been slumping over the recent past without even having to look up the numbers. I'm not trying to say Koyie is better than Geo, but let's not act like Geo is Johnny Bench here.

 

For the month of May Soto has:

 

.200 .333 .329 .662

 

Hill has:

 

.160 .192 .160 .352

 

Both numbers are weak, but I'll take Soto any day of the week. Hill can start some days, but our team will never be better with him over Soto.

 

It can be better for a very short amount of time. Again, you won't find me saying Koyie should be the starting catcher on our team. But for a few days, what's the big deal? Especially since he's done well during those two days.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

The only problem is that our whole team is pretty much slumping. Take out A Ram and put in a slumping player in his place. That's the problem with our 2010 Cubs. Not a lot of options. It's just not a very good team.

 

This is a good point. Pointing out Hill replacing Soto is a good idea isn't.

 

Not really saying it's a good idea. Just that it's not a horrible one for a couple days.

[JoshiQ]

The only problem is that our whole team is pretty much slumping. Take out A Ram and put in a slumping player in his place. That's the problem with our 2010 Cubs. Not a lot of options. It's just not a very good team.

 

This is a good point. Pointing out Hill replacing Soto is a good idea isn't.

 

Not really saying it's a good idea. Just that it's not a horrible one for a couple days.

 

I don't want to say you are totally wrong because I hate posting something and getting made fun of. I just think that you have to play the odds. Sure, trying to go for a 20% shot of hitting your flush works every now and then...but will you make money in the long run? No. The same can be said in thinking Hill is due for a good game.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Here's our hitting lines for a completely random period of time..... the last 21 games.

 

05/14 - 06/06      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
Colvin             34    6   11    4    0    2    6    3   12  0.324  0.368  0.618  0.986  0.450  3.45    7.7  0.045  0.143
Nady               35    3   13    2    0    2    8    0    7  0.371  0.361  0.600  0.961  0.423  3.94    7.6 -0.010  0.333
Fontenot           38    5   12    4    3    0    3    1    1  0.316  0.366  0.579  0.945  0.324  3.12    8.0  0.050  0.167
Soriano            63   12   15    6    1    2    8    8   18  0.238  0.329  0.460  0.789  0.302  4.11    9.5  0.091  0.167
D Lee              75   10   19    5    0    2    7   11   23  0.253  0.349  0.400  0.749  0.340  4.02   10.5  0.096  0.132
Byrd               73   10   19    7    0    1    5    4   11  0.260  0.325  0.397  0.722  0.295  3.58    9.4  0.065  0.133
Fukudome           61    5   15    1    2    1    5    7   13  0.246  0.319  0.377  0.696  0.298  4.16    7.3  0.073  0.190
K Hill             28    1    8    2    0    0    5    2    9  0.286  0.333  0.357  0.690  0.421  3.70    3.3  0.048  0.294
Baker              19    0    4    1    1    0    3    1    6  0.211  0.250  0.368  0.618  0.308  4.65    1.8  0.039  0.429
Ramirez            52    6   10    3    0    2    7    4   13  0.192  0.250  0.365  0.615  0.216  4.11    4.8  0.058  0.125
Castro             78    8   20    0    0    1    7    5   11  0.256  0.298  0.295  0.592  0.288  3.43    6.8  0.041  0.130
Soto               43    2    6    0    0    1    2    7   14  0.140  0.260  0.209  0.469  0.179  4.04    2.3  0.120  0.059
Theriot            71    4   13    0    0    0    2    1    8  0.183  0.216  0.183  0.399  0.206  3.68    2.8  0.033  0.067

last 21 games     707   73  170   36    7   14   70   55  157  0.240  0.301  0.371  0.671  0.291  3.78   78.8  0.060  0.152
season totals    1892  234  491   97   13   52  227  180  393  0.260  0.327  0.407  0.734  0.303  3.82  251.7  0.067  0.172

 

Notice that the top 3 players by OPS are bench players, and the bottom 4 are everyday regulars. The only 3 players that have shown any propensity to drive in runs, Baker, Nady, & Hill, are all bench jockeys.

 

Yes, there are sample size issues here, but the whole damned team is in a slump..... as evidenced by the rousing 3.48 runs per game we scored over this period and the .100 drop in team OPS.

 

I find it real hard to fault Lou, or any manager, for shaking this lineup up, or even turning it upside down, in the SHORT TERM. Don't confuse that in any way with a LONG TERM solution. Benching Soto in the LONG TERM is simply insane, and , as much as some here you would like to think that Lou Piniella suffers from some form of dementia, even he knows better than this. If Lou wants to platoon these guys for a while, at least until Soto gets his OPS back above Koyie Hill levels, and he will, I don't have a problem with that. If Soto were giving us that .800 OPS that some keep crowing about, fine.... but he is not.

[muntjack]

Wait a sec. Isn't his OPS over .800? Career AND this season?

[Fred Hornkohl]

Wait a sec. Isn't his OPS over .800? Career AND this season?

 

Sure it is. Which do think is the best predictor of Soto's production in the SHORT TERM ?? The first month of the season, the last month of the season, or the overall average of both ??

 

Soto               AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
04/05 - 05/12      83   16   26    4    0    4   10   24   16  0.313  0.467  0.506  0.973  0.349  4.27   19.6  0.154  0.162
05/14 - 06/06      43    2    6    0    0    1    2    7   14  0.140  0.260  0.209  0.469  0.179  4.04    2.3  0.120  0.059

04/05 - 06/06     126   18   32    4    0    5   12   31   30  0.254  0.401  0.405  0.806  0.297  4.20   20.5  0.147  0.130

[Little Slide Rooter]

So the main point of this thread is that despite all the dumb [expletive] Lou has done, since he played a backup catcher over his (hopefully just)slumping, starting catcher for a few games he should be kept around? Alright then.

[Careless]

One day Baker started Macias at second. He went 3-5 with two triples! REHIRE DUSTY!!!!

[17 Seconds]

this can't be a real thread

[Tracer Bullet]

Wait a sec. Isn't his OPS over .800? Career AND this season?

 

Sure it is. Which do think is the best predictor of Soto's production in the SHORT TERM ?? The first month of the season, the last month of the season, or the overall average of both ??

 

Soto               AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
04/05 - 05/12      83   16   26    4    0    4   10   24   16  0.313  0.467  0.506  0.973  0.349  4.27   19.6  0.154  0.162
05/14 - 06/06      43    2    6    0    0    1    2    7   14  0.140  0.260  0.209  0.469  0.179  4.04    2.3  0.120  0.059

04/05 - 06/06     126   18   32    4    0    5   12   31   30  0.254  0.401  0.405  0.806  0.297  4.20   20.5  0.147  0.130

 

the full season and it's not particularly close. his performance is comparable with his career numbers and it's the most relevant number of PAs. 50 PAs isn't telling us much about what he'll do in the future.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

this can't be a real thread

 

Pinch yourself and find out.

[17 Seconds]

i wasn't implying i was dreaming

[Bryants Disco Ball]

i wasn't implying i was dreaming

 

To answer your question -- now that I know you weren't dreaming -- it's a real thread. In fact, you've clicked on it a few times and have posted in it at least twice.

[Tracer Bullet]

alright, we get it. move along

[Bryants Disco Ball]

You get what?

 

This thread is designed to talk about why the Cubs should keep Lou. If you don't like it or don't agree with it and find it to be a stupid thread, don't visit it. If people want to make unproductive posts in response, I should be able to make ones back. No?

 

Bottom line? Not everybody thinks Lou is to blame for the Cubs' woes this season.

[TruffleShuffle]

so there can't be critical discussion in a thread? a poster says to keep lou piniella; i think other posters should be able to provide arguments that the cubs should not keep lou piniella. if you want this to be a cheerleading thread about lou then you're probably going to be the only one posting in this topic.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

No. Not at all. You should state a different opinion if you'd like.

 

I simply was talking about my responses to Dexter's comments.

[17 Seconds]

Bottom line? Not everybody thinks Lou is to blame for the Cubs' woes this season.

 

i don't think anybody is blaming lou. he's just making a bad team worse.

 

people don't criticize lou for the cubs results this season, they criticize him for his consistently awful baseball decisions

[Tracer Bullet]

You get what?

 

This thread is designed to talk about why the Cubs should keep Lou. If you don't like it or don't agree with it and find it to be a stupid thread, don't visit it. If people want to make unproductive posts in response, I should be able to make ones back. No?

 

Bottom line? Not everybody thinks Lou is to blame for the Cubs' woes this season.

 

we don't need 4 posts from you and dexter about whether this thread exists. so i asked you both to drop the stupid back and forth. and no, if someone makes what you believe to be an unproductive post, you making an unproductive response isn't helping.

 

i'm not exactly sure why we need a separate thread to discuss keeping lou, when the thread discussing firing him would include such discussion. but i'm quite sure we don't need several posts about the existence of this thread.

 

now do you understand? good. let's move on.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

You get what?

 

This thread is designed to talk about why the Cubs should keep Lou. If you don't like it or don't agree with it and find it to be a stupid thread, don't visit it. If people want to make unproductive posts in response, I should be able to make ones back. No?

 

Bottom line? Not everybody thinks Lou is to blame for the Cubs' woes this season.

 

we don't need 4 posts from you and dexter about whether this thread exists. so i asked you both to drop the stupid back and forth. and no, if someone makes what you believe to be an unproductive post, you making an unproductive response isn't helping.

 

i'm not exactly sure why we need a separate thread to discuss keeping lou, when the thread discussing firing him would include such discussion. but i'm quite sure we don't need several posts about the existence of this thread.

 

now do you understand? good. let's move on.

 

Fair enough. Quality points.