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I don't get it.

 

 

yeah, I agree...what St. Louis does most years (win more games with a smaller budget) is fairly admirable. I'm sure I'd harbor more hate for them if I lived in Chicago or St. Louis.

 

There has only been a big difference in budget for the last 3 years. Before that it was relatively close and Cardinals was even higher in 2005 than the Cubs. I'm not saying that the Cubs spend their money well, just that the Cardinals have not always done more with less. Just more with about the same :)

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TOP OF THE SIXTH INNING

 

Stevens in to pitch for the CUBS

Ryan popped out (foul) to first base

Carpenter struck out swinging

Lopez called out on strikes

 

0 runs 0 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
St. Louis       5 0 0 0 0 0                    5  9  1
CUBS            0 0 0 0 1                      1  5  0

 

Home runs:

St. Louis: none

CUBS: Colvin (5)

 

St. Louis      IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Carpenter     5.0  5  1  1  1  4  1  86

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Wells         0.0  6  5  5  0  0  0  16
Russell       4.0  2  0  0  1  1  0  56
Howry         1.0  1  0  0  0  0  0  14
Stevens       1.0  0  0  0  0  2  0  17

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D Lee              AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
Leading off        33    7    7    0    0    1    1    5    6  0.212  0.333  0.303  0.636  0.231  4.44    3.3  0.121  0.000
bases empty        93   11   21    5    0    3    3   19   22  0.226  0.363  0.376  0.739  0.265  4.34   12.7  0.137  0.000
Middle (4-6)       56    5   17    4    0    1    8    6    8  0.304  0.365  0.429  0.794  0.340  4.17    8.8  0.062  0.269
0 outs             56   12   11    0    0    2    5    7   11  0.196  0.292  0.304  0.596  0.209  4.22    5.0  0.096  0.120
CUBS trailing      72    9   18    4    0    3    5    5    9  0.250  0.299  0.431  0.729  0.250  4.01    9.3  0.049  0.054
last 10 games      36    6   10    3    0    2    6    7    8  0.278  0.395  0.528  0.923  0.308  3.98    7.5  0.118  0.211
May                91   14   26    7    0    2   11   14   17  0.286  0.377  0.429  0.806  0.333  4.15   14.7  0.092  0.188
Home               92   12   28    7    0    3   14    7   18  0.304  0.350  0.478  0.828  0.352  4.09   15.4  0.046  0.229
Day                83   14   23    3    0    4   15   10   17  0.277  0.351  0.458  0.809  0.306  4.20   13.3  0.074  0.256
vs Right          133   22   35    5    0    6   20   22   31  0.263  0.369  0.436  0.806  0.302  4.29   21.4  0.106  0.203

season totals     179   24   44    8    0    6   23   29   38  0.246  0.352  0.391  0.743  0.281  4.27   24.7  0.107  0.173

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Ramirez            AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
bases empty        82    5   12    1    0    1    1    6   19  0.146  0.205  0.195  0.400  0.177  4.13    3.3  0.058  0.000
Middle (4-6)       56    6   11    0    0    2    6    3   10  0.196  0.233  0.304  0.537  0.205  3.88    4.0  0.037  0.190
1 out              50    7    6    1    0    1   10    5   11  0.120  0.190  0.200  0.390  0.132  3.76    1.9  0.070  0.257
CUBS trailing      67    7   13    3    0    2   10    5   13  0.194  0.243  0.328  0.572  0.212  3.99    5.4  0.049  0.216
last 10 games      18    2    2    0    0    1    3    1    7  0.111  0.158  0.278  0.436  0.100  4.00    0.8  0.047  0.143
May                64    8   11    2    0    1    7    6   16  0.172  0.239  0.250  0.489  0.213  4.11    3.8  0.068  0.140
Home               76   10   16    5    0    3   15    8   14  0.211  0.282  0.395  0.677  0.220  3.98    8.5  0.072  0.267
Day                75    8   15    4    0    3   12    6   18  0.200  0.256  0.373  0.629  0.222  4.11    7.2  0.056  0.188
vs Right          114   10   19    2    0    3   16   13   28  0.167  0.246  0.263  0.509  0.193  4.06    7.4  0.079  0.167

season totals     156   15   25    5    0    4   20   14   40  0.160  0.225  0.269  0.495  0.188  4.07    9.5  0.065  0.157

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Soriano            AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
RISP               29    5   11    3    0    3   17    4    7  0.379  0.441  0.793  1.234  0.421  3.74   10.1  0.062  0.275
Middle (4-6)       58    9   15    3    1    4    9    6   18  0.259  0.328  0.552  0.880  0.306  4.25   10.5  0.070  0.143
1 out              52   12   20    4    0    3    9    4    9  0.385  0.421  0.635  1.056  0.425  3.88   13.9  0.036  0.188
CUBS trailing      66   13   22    8    0    4   12    4   17  0.333  0.380  0.636  1.017  0.400  4.17   16.0  0.047  0.320
last 10 games      28    6    7    3    0    2    4    4    9  0.250  0.364  0.571  0.935  0.294  4.61    5.8  0.114  0.118
May                77   16   26    8    0    6   16    7   21  0.338  0.400  0.675  1.075  0.400  4.09   20.8  0.062  0.222
Home               71   15   24    9    0    4   17    8   16  0.338  0.405  0.634  1.039  0.392  3.91   18.2  0.067  0.310
Day                66   17   24    8    0    6   19    6   16  0.364  0.419  0.758  1.176  0.409  3.72   20.9  0.055  0.382
vs Right          108   19   30   11    0    6   17    8   29  0.278  0.331  0.546  0.877  0.329  4.06   19.5  0.053  0.190

season totals     149   27   47   15    1    9   27   15   36  0.315  0.380  0.611  0.990  0.365  4.08   34.5  0.064  0.243

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I don't get it.

 

 

yeah, I agree...what St. Louis does most years (win more games with a smaller budget) is fairly admirable. I'm sure I'd harbor more hate for them if I lived in Chicago or St. Louis.

 

There has only been a big difference in budget for the last 3 years. Before that it was relatively close and Cardinals was even higher in 2005 than the Cubs. I'm not saying that the Cubs spend their money well, just that the Cardinals have not always done more with less. Just more with about the same :)

 

I'm guessing you are looking at opening day payrolls, those don't accurately reflect what a team actually spends in a season. Hendry repeatedly left open the possibility of adding to payroll midseason during the first half of his tenure as GM. They also spent a lot of money on guys who weren't actually playing for them. After the first couple years of this decade, the Cubs were spending more than STL consistently and the gap kept growing.

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BOTTOM OF THE SIXTH INNING

 

D Lee called out on strikes

Ramirez doubled to shallow right field

Soriano grounded out to the pitcher, 1-3

Byrd grounded out, 1-6-3

 

0 runs 1 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
St. Louis       5 0 0 0 0 0                    5  9  1
CUBS            0 0 0 0 1 0                    1  6  0

 

Home runs:

St. Louis: none

CUBS: Colvin (5)

 

St. Louis      IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Carpenter     6.0  6  1  1  1  5  1  98

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Wells         0.0  6  5  5  0  0  0  16
Russell       4.0  2  0  0  1  1  0  56
Howry         1.0  1  0  0  0  0  0  14
Stevens       1.0  0  0  0  0  2  0  17

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         St. Louis        CUBS
P/PA          3.68        4.08
RBI%          0.36        0.00
R/BR          0.50        0.14
BA           0.333       0.261
OBP          0.357       0.292
SLG          0.444       0.435
OPS          0.802       0.726
ERA           1.50        7.50
BB/9          1.50        1.50
K/9           7.50        4.50

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TOP OF THE SEVENTH INNING

 

Ludwick grounded out to short, 6-3

Pujols grounded out to short, 6-3

Holliday grounded out to first, 3-1

 

0 runs 0 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
St. Louis       5 0 0 0 0 0 0                  5  9  1
CUBS            0 0 0 0 1 0                    1  6  0

 

Home runs:

St. Louis: none

CUBS: Colvin (5)

 

St. Louis      IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Carpenter     6.0  6  1  1  1  5  1  98

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Wells         0.0  6  5  5  0  0  0  16
Russell       4.0  2  0  0  1  1  0  56
Howry         1.0  1  0  0  0  0  0  14
Stevens       2.0  0  0  0  0  2  0  24

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Soto               AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
Leading off        29    6    7    0    0    2    2    5    8  0.241  0.353  0.448  0.801  0.263  4.32    4.6  0.112  0.000
bases empty        66   10   18    4    0    4    4   14   17  0.273  0.400  0.515  0.915  0.311  4.10   13.6  0.127  0.000
Late (7th on)      41    7   13    3    0    1    2   11   12  0.317  0.462  0.463  0.925  0.429  4.13    8.8  0.144  0.077
0 outs             44   11   12    0    0    2    3    9   11  0.273  0.396  0.409  0.805  0.323  4.36    7.1  0.123  0.100
CUBS trailing      45    6   10    3    0    1    3   11   13  0.222  0.375  0.356  0.731  0.290  4.25    6.0  0.153  0.118
last 10 games      20    1    1    0    0    0    0    4    7  0.050  0.208  0.050  0.258  0.077  4.13    0.2  0.158  0.000
May                60    6   11    3    0    1    3   13   17  0.183  0.329  0.283  0.612  0.238  4.21    5.6  0.145  0.074
Home               61    9   15    1    0    2    5   16   15  0.246  0.403  0.361  0.763  0.295  4.42    8.9  0.157  0.120
Day                59   10   13    1    0    3    5   14   16  0.220  0.370  0.390  0.760  0.250  4.38    8.5  0.150  0.080
vs Right           75   13   18    3    0    3    7   20   18  0.240  0.400  0.400  0.800  0.278  4.32   12.0  0.160  0.129

season totals     113   17   29    4    0    4   10   30   27  0.257  0.413  0.398  0.811  0.305  4.27   18.6  0.156  0.120

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I don't get it.

 

 

yeah, I agree...what St. Louis does most years (win more games with a smaller budget) is fairly admirable. I'm sure I'd harbor more hate for them if I lived in Chicago or St. Louis.

 

There has only been a big difference in budget for the last 3 years. Before that it was relatively close and Cardinals was even higher in 2005 than the Cubs. I'm not saying that the Cubs spend their money well, just that the Cardinals have not always done more with less. Just more with about the same :)

 

I'm guessing you are looking at opening day payrolls, those don't accurately reflect what a team actually spends in a season. Hendry repeatedly left open the possibility of adding to payroll midseason during the first half of his tenure as GM. They also spent a lot of money on guys who weren't actually playing for them. After the first couple years of this decade, the Cubs were spending more than STL consistently and the gap kept growing.

 

USAToday has a list. It probably is opening day payrols but doesn't really say. They were 5 million behind the Cards in 2005 but I thought they would have included money they are paying players no longer on the team but that might not be the case.

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Castro             AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
bases empty        41    5   13    1    0    1    1    1    5  0.317  0.333  0.415  0.748  0.343  3.26    5.7  0.016  0.000
Late (7th on)      25    5    6    1    0    0    1    2    5  0.240  0.296  0.280  0.576  0.300  3.96    2.1  0.056  0.077
1 out              27    3    8    0    0    1    2    2    4  0.296  0.345  0.407  0.752  0.318  3.28    3.8  0.049  0.125
CUBS trailing      28    2    8    1    0    0    1    1    4  0.286  0.310  0.321  0.632  0.333  3.55    2.8  0.025  0.067
last 10 games      41    5   11    0    0    1    5    1    8  0.268  0.286  0.341  0.627  0.313  3.38    4.0  0.017  0.167
May                72    9   21    1    1    2   11    6   10  0.292  0.346  0.417  0.763  0.317  3.42   10.4  0.054  0.225
Home               40    5   10    0    0    0    2    5    6  0.250  0.333  0.250  0.583  0.294  3.29    3.3  0.083  0.100
Day                28    3    8    0    0    0    1    3    4  0.286  0.355  0.286  0.641  0.333  3.19    2.8  0.069  0.167
vs Right           54    7   17    1    1    1    9    2    6  0.315  0.339  0.426  0.765  0.340  3.27    7.8  0.024  0.250

season totals      72    9   21    1    1    2   11    6   10  0.292  0.346  0.417  0.763  0.317  3.42   10.4  0.054  0.225

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Fontenot           AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
Pinch hitting       9    1    3    0    0    1    5    1    3  0.333  0.400  0.667  1.067  0.400  4.40    2.4  0.067  0.800
runners on         43    3   16    3    0    1   14    2    4  0.372  0.404  0.512  0.916  0.395  3.87    8.9  0.032  0.265
Late (7th on)      37    4    8    0    1    1    6    4    8  0.216  0.286  0.351  0.637  0.250  4.07    3.7  0.069  0.217
1 out              28    2   12    4    0    1   10    1    2  0.429  0.433  0.679  1.112  0.440  3.43    8.2  0.005  0.529
CUBS trailing      51    4   17    3    0    0    4    2    5  0.333  0.364  0.392  0.756  0.370  3.89    7.3  0.030  0.167
last 10 games      16    3    8    4    1    0    2    0    1  0.500  0.529  0.875  1.404  0.533  3.59    7.4  0.029  0.400
May                41    5   15    5    1    1   10    3    4  0.366  0.422  0.610  1.032  0.389  3.67   10.6  0.056  0.375
Home               51    6   17    6    1    0    6    3    3  0.333  0.393  0.490  0.883  0.354  3.57    9.8  0.060  0.214
Day                58    6   16    3    1    0    5    4    5  0.276  0.333  0.362  0.695  0.302  3.62    7.0  0.057  0.161
vs Right           94   10   31    7    1    1   14    6    9  0.330  0.379  0.457  0.836  0.357  3.69   16.3  0.049  0.277

season totals     100   10   33    8    1    1   14    6    9  0.330  0.376  0.460  0.836  0.356  3.72   17.3  0.046  0.265

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USAToday has a list. It probably is opening day payrols but doesn't really say. They were 5 million behind the Cards in 2005 but I thought they would have included money they are paying players no longer on the team but that might not be the case.

 

That is not the case. They just account for opening day payrolls. If you cut some reliever who made $3m, that didn't count. If you paid another team $14m to take a guy off your team, that didn't count.

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