What Would Y'all Think of Moving to a Dynasty Format?

[TheVolCub08]

After talking with a couple of guys on chat, I wonder how interested some of you might be in moving toward something that resembles more of a dynasty league?

 

My thought is that we could expand our Minor League rosters to 15 players, and that we could up our keeper limits to 18 major leaguers and 5000 or so points (or not worry about points at all) and maybe even limit our minor league keepers as well. Shrink the draft to 10 rounds, and we've got something going. Heck, we could even expand the league to 20 teams for that matter.

 

What do you guys think about this potential move to more of a dynasty type of feel?

[CubbieBum]

I think 10 minor leaguers is plenty but as for going to more of a dynasty I am OK with it. One sticking point that I would make is that if we do it we should not do it this season because people didn't draft with that in mind. If we do more of a dynasty league I put much more weight to a players age. I wouldn't have taken guys like DLee and Soriano for instance.

 

Also I would want to keep some sort of keeper points involved. I don't like the idea of people being able to have the top players and hoard them forever. Keeper points to me work like a salary cap and a league should have a salary cap in my opinion.

[TheVolCub08]

Fair enough. I want the expansion to 15 minor leaguers, because it gives us a 40 man roster. Again, I like as many parallels as possible.

[CubbieBum]

Fair enough. I want the expansion to 15 minor leaguers, because it gives us a 40 man roster. Again, I like as many parallels as possible.

 

I would rather make us have more of a real pitching staff. Add at least a couple more RP slots so that we have to go deeper than the closers and top set-up guys.

[mhuber92211]

I like the current format. Gives people a chance every year and keeps them interested year after year.

[moochpuppy]

I like the Dynasty idea as well especially since I'm already into the 2nd year of mine.

[Garwilly]

I like the idea as well. Though I am torn about the starting time. As Levin said, not only did people draft in a certain mindset, but they also traded with a certain mindset (I traded a 2nd rounder for 300 salary cap points).

[CubbieBum]

I like the idea as well. Though I am torn about the starting time. As Levin said, not only did people draft in a certain mindset, but they also traded with a certain mindset (I traded a 2nd rounder for 300 salary cap points).

 

True. Hadn't thought of the cap points trades. I think no matter what we should do this next offseason like we did this season (since people have planned for it). Then if a majority want we can switch after the league draft to a dynasty format in some way (details to be worked out later). That gives everyone a chance to plan and draft accordingly and also allows those of us who have made trades to get extra points get the benefit of those trades.

[Clem Fandango]

I'm 100% for the transition into a dynasty league. I'm already in two and I'm thinking of starting up a fresh one with some friends for a 3rd. After doing a dynasty league I prefer nothing else.

 

I think if we do transition it obviously wouldn't take place until next year at the earliest. Dynasty drafts are far more strategic, it would be unfair to do it with this years rosters, so much so that I don't even think there was any question that it would be the case if we would.

 

I'm all for an up to 15 minor leaguers. I know 10 seems like plenty to some, but I'm still clamoring for more at this point, trying to make room to accommodate more guys.

 

But yeah, Dynasty leagues are the ish. The way the leagues I'm currently in are setup is we have our teams that we draft, plus minor leaguers and those are the cards you're dealt until the next season when we have a 3-round prospect draft to be able to draft all the players that were drafted in the amateur draft the year before and/or other breakout prospects who are still available. The team you draft is the team you keep, there's no MLB cap or keeper points involved. If you draft Pujols or Hanley, you have him for as long as you want him

 

I just love the idea that your team is only gonna get better if you make smart draft moves, good free agent/prospect pickups, and solid trades, and with the amount of trades we make in this league it would be highly active

[CubbieBum]

I would still like to up the amount of RP's we use. There are a lot of great setup men and overall great relievers available. Each of us using three means just 48 relievers are used which is way to many for a league that has 30 teams. If we want to be more realistic and get to a 40 man roster we should up the amount of RP's because we aren't even using half the amount of RP's every MLB does.

 

I would vote we double the RP's used to 6 and then add two minor leaguers to make it 12. That would also give us a 40 man.

[TheVolCub08]

I would still like to up the amount of RP's we use. There are a lot of great setup men and overall great relievers available. Each of us using three means just 48 relievers are used which is way to many for a league that has 30 teams. If we want to be more realistic and get to a 40 man roster we should up the amount of RP's because we aren't even using half the amount of RP's every MLB does.

 

I would vote we double the RP's used to 6 and then add two minor leaguers to make it 12. That would also give us a 40 man.

 

Would also give us a 28 man MLB roster, and let's be honest- that's just a terrible idea.

[CubbieBum]

I would still like to up the amount of RP's we use. There are a lot of great setup men and overall great relievers available. Each of us using three means just 48 relievers are used which is way to many for a league that has 30 teams. If we want to be more realistic and get to a 40 man roster we should up the amount of RP's because we aren't even using half the amount of RP's every MLB does.

 

I would vote we double the RP's used to 6 and then add two minor leaguers to make it 12. That would also give us a 40 man.

 

Would also give us a 28 man MLB roster, and let's be honest- that's just a terrible idea.

 

Not sure why it is a terrible idea. It may be an idea you don't like but that doesn't make it terrible. I am all for adding something that actually makes RP's more than an after thought where even now after the draft you can find plenty of top notch RP's that will score right around what all but the top 10 closers will score this season.

[Garwilly]

I would still like to up the amount of RP's we use. There are a lot of great setup men and overall great relievers available. Each of us using three means just 48 relievers are used which is way to many for a league that has 30 teams. If we want to be more realistic and get to a 40 man roster we should up the amount of RP's because we aren't even using half the amount of RP's every MLB does.

 

I would vote we double the RP's used to 6 and then add two minor leaguers to make it 12. That would also give us a 40 man.

 

Would also give us a 28 man MLB roster, and let's be honest- that's just a terrible idea.

 

Not sure why it is a terrible idea. It may be an idea you don't like but that doesn't make it terrible. I am all for adding something that actually makes RP's more than an after thought where even now after the draft you can find plenty of top notch RP's that will score right around what all but the top 10 closers will score this season.

 

That may be an issue of scoring settings.

[CubbieBum]

I would still like to up the amount of RP's we use. There are a lot of great setup men and overall great relievers available. Each of us using three means just 48 relievers are used which is way to many for a league that has 30 teams. If we want to be more realistic and get to a 40 man roster we should up the amount of RP's because we aren't even using half the amount of RP's every MLB does.

 

I would vote we double the RP's used to 6 and then add two minor leaguers to make it 12. That would also give us a 40 man.

 

Would also give us a 28 man MLB roster, and let's be honest- that's just a terrible idea.

 

Not sure why it is a terrible idea. It may be an idea you don't like but that doesn't make it terrible. I am all for adding something that actually makes RP's more than an after thought where even now after the draft you can find plenty of top notch RP's that will score right around what all but the top 10 closers will score this season.

 

That may be an issue of scoring settings.

 

True. I wouldn't mind seeing a small bump in pts given for saves and holds. If you just do saves then it makes them too important but doing a small bump to both saves and holds it makes top notch set-up guys just as valuable as very good closers (top 5 or so closers I would assume still would be the best). Just an idea but I would like to see some more value added to RP's because bullpen's are very important in real life but in our league they are mostly an after thought somewhat like K's or defenses in fantasy football.

[TheVolCub08]

I think points are mostly fine as they are. I don't think the points are the issue, and I don't think a 28 man roster is even close to a reasonable idea.

 

The problem, as I see it, is that owners voted down the proposition to have fewer SP active on a given day. I proposed a minimum of 3 SP that you would have to have active (and since there is room for 5 RP on every roster, that number made total sense), and it was voted down. Perhaps if people had the foresight to see what we were trying to do, the outcome would have been different. It's also telling that so many owners only have 3 RP on their rosters, when they are allowed up to 5.

 

How did I score more than anyone else last year? Here's a hint... I didn't only carry 3 RP, for one. RP points are the most overlooked source of points in this league, and it's only to the detriment of the owners who choose to ignore them. If those points are an afterthought to you, that's no one's fault but your own. There are plenty of points there in the RP department if you choose to pay attention to them.

 

Again, if owners would make the sensible choice of not making every team have to have 5 SP active every day, this situation resolves itself. I agree with the idea that more RP makes it more realistic, I just don't understand trying to make that more realistic when you're totally bastardizing rosters by making them 28 players. Very inconsistent.

Edited March 28, 2010 by TheVolCub08

[TheVolCub08]

And, for the record, of the Top 15 RP last year (after removing guys who split time between starting and relieving), 4 guys were not their team's primary closers.

 

#8, #13, #14, and #15 were all set-up guys, primarily.

 

I'd be all for a slight bump to points for closers and relievers, though I thought that they were about right (top SP scored 400 points more than top RP did). It made RP about 48% as valuable as SP overall, so too much of a bump wouldn't make a ton of sense, in my opinion. But again, I agree that if we're going to bump saves up at all, we have to bump holds by the same margin.

[Guest]

If I understand what you are saying Eric, when you have SP's that aren't pitching that day, you can substitute RP's into the SP's slots to get more RP pitching points each day? Is that correct?

 

And if that is true, is there a limit as to how many RP can be in on a given day?

[TheVolCub08]

If I understand what you are saying Eric, when you have SP's that aren't pitching that day, you can substitute RP's into the SP's slots to get more RP pitching points each day? Is that correct?

 

And if that is true, is there a limit as to how many RP can be in on a given day?

 

No, you can't because owners voted that down last year. That's the one gripe I really have about last year's votes... that one seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

If you've got your 7 starts in for the week on Saturday, and you have 5 RP on your roster, you can still only use 3 of them, which does not make sense to me. You're screwing yourself out of free points.

[Garwilly]

If I understand what you are saying Eric, when you have SP's that aren't pitching that day, you can substitute RP's into the SP's slots to get more RP pitching points each day? Is that correct?

 

And if that is true, is there a limit as to how many RP can be in on a given day?

 

Where did you get that from?

[moochpuppy]

How did I score more than anyone else last year? Here's a hint... I didn't only carry 3 RP, for one. RP points are the most overlooked source of points in this league, and it's only to the detriment of the owners who choose to ignore them. If those points are an afterthought to you, that's no one's fault but your own. There are plenty of points there in the RP department if you choose to pay attention to them.

 

 

I was second in scoring in the league last year and didn't really put much thought into RP until the trade deadline.

[Guest]

If I understand what you are saying Eric, when you have SP's that aren't pitching that day, you can substitute RP's into the SP's slots to get more RP pitching points each day? Is that correct?

 

And if that is true, is there a limit as to how many RP can be in on a given day?

 

Where did you get that from?

 

I got it from the post right above this one where Eric said he scored a bunch of points by the RP position. He even eluded to the fact the RP position was why he scored the most points last year. I guess he just subs in different RP's during off days for other RP's, which is probably what he was referring to. I figured that this league must allow extra ones in there since everyone can have 3 pitching most everyday.

 

I'm also not used to playing in a league with daily roster changes, so that probably added to my confusion.

[TheVolCub08]

How did I score more than anyone else last year? Here's a hint... I didn't only carry 3 RP, for one. RP points are the most overlooked source of points in this league, and it's only to the detriment of the owners who choose to ignore them. If those points are an afterthought to you, that's no one's fault but your own. There are plenty of points there in the RP department if you choose to pay attention to them.

 

 

I was second in scoring in the league last year and didn't really put much thought into RP until the trade deadline.

 

Your offense was also much better than mine. Point is, if you only have 3 RP on the roster, you will miss out on at least 3-5 games a week due to off days and rest. If you have 4 or 5, you can almost dodge off days altogether, and if you get an extra 2 points on those days, you're looking at 6-10 points per week, or potentially as many as 200 points in a season.

 

Is the affect of the RP overstated? Maybe. But people who treat it like it's an afterthought really are leaving points on the table.

[Guest]

How did I score more than anyone else last year? Here's a hint... I didn't only carry 3 RP, for one. RP points are the most overlooked source of points in this league, and it's only to the detriment of the owners who choose to ignore them. If those points are an afterthought to you, that's no one's fault but your own. There are plenty of points there in the RP department if you choose to pay attention to them.

 

 

I was second in scoring in the league last year and didn't really put much thought into RP until the trade deadline.

 

Your offense was also much better than mine. Point is, if you only have 3 RP on the roster, you will miss out on at least 3-5 games a week due to off days and rest. If you have 4 or 5, you can almost dodge off days altogether, and if you get an extra 2 points on those days, you're looking at 6-10 points per week, or potentially as many as 200 points in a season.

 

Is the affect of the RP overstated? Maybe. But people who treat it like it's an afterthought really are leaving points on the table.

 

Do you rotate in different RP's (raid the free agent database) based on who has off days? It doesn't actually sound as though you do, but I personally despise people adding and dropping players on a daily basis just to try to gain a few extra points due to off days and what not. It's what has made me prefer weekly roster changes rather than daily.

[TheVolCub08]

From time to time, yes. But, I also carry 4 RP so that I don't have to do that as much.

 

It's no different than picking up an extra bat if you have 10 of your 14 hitters with an off day. It's not like you're running a roster carousel.

[Guest]

From time to time, yes. But, I also carry 4 RP so that I don't have to do that as much.

 

It's no different than picking up an extra bat if you have 10 of your 14 hitters with an off day. It's not like you're running a roster carousel.

 

But it is a roster carousel. If I don't have internet access the week I'm playing your team and I can't add or drop players (only sub in my current roster of players), and you add and drop 3 or 4 players to fill off days, your team is playing with a larger roster than mine is, which isn't really fair to my team.

 

I'm going to give this league my best effort, but I'm starting to believe that maybe this daily line up stuff won't be for me. I'm often gone for lengthy periods of time due to my work. If teams are basically playing with a bigger roster than my team, my odds of winning against whoever is adding and dropping daily will be greatly diminished.

 

If the idea of a successful team is how many times you can fill off days with free agents to score points against your opponent who doesn't have nearly as much time to manage their roster, I don't think I like it all that much.

 

I think I like the idea of daily changes with the 8 bench players you have, but to add and drop at random is exactly why I stopped playing in free leagues. No disrespect, but it I think my biggest problem is that is a real far cry from attempting to mirror an actual baseball team.

 

In other words, if the best team in the league is the team that makes the most roster changes during the season, I'm not interested.