College Basketball 2010-11

[Coach C]

Five days ago KSU was struggling to win at Nebraska. Nobody fears them.

 

To be fair, KSU had several moments where they had a 5-7 point lead, and blow it at the middle/late of the 2nd half. Basically, they couldn't close the deal.

 

 

To be fair, tadow is a ridiculous homer.

 

Right, and Coach C is a KSU guy too. Snayke isn't as much a homer as much as he's really into making edgy comments.

 

But you have to give KSU credit. Even if Texas is fading, they're still a strong enough team that beating them(especially in that fashion) on the road is a clear indicator that KSU is a different team. Someone's going to be pissed that they draw them as a 6 seed come next Sunday.

 

 

Didn't know Coach C was a KSU guy. Glad to not be the only one here. In the end, the majority of us are Cub fans at least.. hahaha.

 

Yeah, I'm a KSU guy. Season ticket holder for FB teams. If someone would had asked me that if KSU was going to make it in the tourny during their slide, I would have said "No. Maybe NIT" and not blink. The fact that they are playing much better basketball, and beating teams that they should be beating, and did beat KU, who was number 1 at the time, and Texas who smoked KU at their court, I think KSU is a lock.

 

I'm not a homer or anything, I just call it how I see it. Every team is going to hit a stride and every team (mostly) is going to hit a slide. Like Texas, they're still a very talented team, but it looks like they're just going through a slide. I'm sure Texas will figure it out at some point. I didn't think K-State had a good chance to win at Texas, considering that they should had been pissed after getting beat by Colorado. All I was hoping for was them to stay in the game, and not get blown out.

[Coach C]

Five days ago KSU was struggling to win at Nebraska. Nobody fears them.

 

To be fair, nebraska has only lost two home games this year--KU and KSU. I don't know how confident I'd be of a road win there if I were a Mizzou fan.

 

And Nebraska has Doc Sadler, or commonly known as SLTH (Sold Long Time Hire) for us Big XII fans, as a running joke.

 

 

http://img602.imageshack.us/img602/5956/docfarewell.jpg

 

[scarey]

Byrd was huge tonight. LewJack as a Senior PG next year. Hummel coming back. Listening to the Senior night presentation streaming on the web. Painter saying all the right things. Purdue isn't going away.

If Hummel comes back close you will be ok next year. After that tho it could be rough a bit.

 

They have one 4 star prospect this year in Terone Johnson, one coming in 2012 in Raphael Davis, one coming in 2013 in Bryson Scott, and three fringe 4 star players over that span too (Jacob Lawson, Jay Simpson, Basil Smotherman). Granted, it's nothing like Indiana's and Illinois' most recent commitments, but I think it will be enough to pair with what they have already to be competitive.

 

2011

Travis Carroll

Robbie Hummel

DJ Byrd

Ryne Smith

Lewis Jackson

 

2012

Travis Carroll

Jacob Lawson

DJ Byrd

Raphael Davis

Kelsey Barlow

 

2013

Travis Carroll

Jay Simpson

Raphael Davis

Terone Johnson

Bryson Scott

 

The one thing that needs to hold up in all of this is Travis Carroll. He was recruited as a 3 star prospect last year, but he lost weight before arriving and has contributed solid minutes as a freshman. I think he's up to task of running the 5 for a couple of years for Purdue.

[Formerly Snayke]

I didn't get to see the Mizzou-Nebraska abortion. How bad was their defense?

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't suppose anybody wants Illinois-Indiana tickets for Saturday do they? Something's come up (beyond the general mediocrity of the Illinois) team and I can't make it down for it.

[Guest]

I didn't get to see the Mizzou-Nebraska abortion. How bad was their defense?

 

Very strong for the first 25 minutes, very bad for the last 10 minutes, right about average in aggregate. Their problem last night was only scoring 58 points in a 66 possession game.

[Smack]

Byrd was huge tonight. LewJack as a Senior PG next year. Hummel coming back. Listening to the Senior night presentation streaming on the web. Painter saying all the right things. Purdue isn't going away.

If Hummel comes back close you will be ok next year. After that tho it could be rough a bit.

 

They have one 4 star prospect this year in Terone Johnson, one coming in 2012 in Raphael Davis, one coming in 2013 in Bryson Scott, and three fringe 4 star players over that span too (Jacob Lawson, Jay Simpson, Basil Smotherman). Granted, it's nothing like Indiana's and Illinois' most recent commitments, but I think it will be enough to pair with what they have already to be competitive.

 

Byrd is a 4 star too, and don't forget 4 star Anthony Johnson who is red-shirting.

 

Rivals has Simpson as a 4 star in 2012 too but I've heard very mixed things about him.

 

It's a little early to rank the 2013 kids right now, but ESPN currently has all three Purdue 2013 commits in the Top 50. You didn't mention Kendall Stephens who is one of the top players coming out of Illinois in 2013. They're not going to be on the french fry team but they'll all be Top 100, 4 Star players, barring major set backs. Plus they have another scholarship open and they're recruiting several other high caliber players.

 

IU and Illinois are getting higher ranked players for sure but I like our coaching advantage.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I'm not buying Matt Painter as a great coach. Sorry buddy.

[Old Style]

On another note, can we finally be done with hearing about Alabama as an at-large candidate?

Same for Baylor.

[SouthSideRyan]

Go UNC/Maryland/Cincy/Northwestern/Iowa St/Southern Miss/Marshall/East Carolina/Duke/BYU/New Mexico St/Iowa/Utah/St. Louis/St. Joe's/St. Bonaventure/LSU/Belmont

[scarey]

I'm not buying Matt Painter as a great coach. Sorry buddy.

 

Every team he's coached has had a fabulous defensive reputation. Yes, most of those teams have included Hummel, Johnson, and Moore. However, guys like Byrd, Barlow, Jackson, and even Smith have shown great defensive prowess.

 

I know your argument is that Painter has ridden Hummel, Johnson, and Moore to success. Given the production he's gotten out of his lesser players, I would say he's an above average coach at least. I'm not quite sure what leads you to believe otherwise.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

You made my argument for me, he's above average at best, not great.

[illiniguy]

You made my argument for me, he's above average at best, not great.

He was comparing him though to Weber and Crean. He's better than those two.

[scarey]

You made my argument for me, he's above average at best, not great.

 

I said above average at least...

[scarey]

You made my argument for me, he's above average at best, not great.

He was comparing him though to Weber and Crean. He's better than those two.

 

Crean, my impression is that Painter and Weber are both way ahead of the game. Weber, I personally have a lot respect for and I wouldn't exactly say that Purdue has a "coaching advantage" there.

[Flames24Rulz]

I'm not buying Matt Painter as a great coach. Sorry buddy.

 

Every team he's coached has had a fabulous defensive reputation. Yes, most of those teams have included Hummel, Johnson, and Moore. However, guys like Byrd, Barlow, Jackson, and even Smith have shown great defensive prowess.

 

I know your argument is that Painter has ridden Hummel, Johnson, and Moore to success. Given the production he's gotten out of his lesser players, I would say he's an above average coach at least. I'm not quite sure what leads you to believe otherwise.

 

How dare you not mention Darren Brooks or Stetson Hairston.

[illiniguy]

You made my argument for me, he's above average at best, not great.

He was comparing him though to Weber and Crean. He's better than those two.

 

Crean, my impression is that Painter and Weber are both way ahead of the game. Weber, I personally have a lot respect for and I wouldn't exactly say that Purdue has a "coaching advantage" there.

What do you like about Weber?

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

You made my argument for me, he's above average at best, not great.

He was comparing him though to Weber and Crean. He's better than those two.

 

Right now I'd take the PU program over both Illinois and IU. But I'm not ready to anoint Painter a better coach than either one of them. He's done it all with one group of recruits, similar to Weber and Crean.

 

I think that Weber outcoached Painter last night, but DMac's second foul killed us. We'll get a much better idea of where Painter stands once his two NBA studs are gone. If Eric Gordon goes to IU straightaway then we might be looking at this from a much different perspective as Moore is probably an Illini. The 07 class caused a four year swing between the two programs, and the next couple years should be interesting.

[fromthestretch]

The one thing that needs to hold up in all of this is Travis Carroll. He was recruited as a 3 star prospect last year, but he lost weight before arriving and has contributed solid minutes as a freshman. I think he's up to task of running the 5 for a couple of years for Purdue.

 

The good thing about Carroll is that he's already a solid rebounder, and he actually is a decent shooter. However, he needs to work on his footwork and his defense. He's not going to be able to take the tough, off-balance shots that JaJuan takes, nor is he going to be able to play 36-38 minutes per game.

[scarey]

You made my argument for me, he's above average at best, not great.

He was comparing him though to Weber and Crean. He's better than those two.

 

Crean, my impression is that Painter and Weber are both way ahead of the game. Weber, I personally have a lot respect for and I wouldn't exactly say that Purdue has a "coaching advantage" there.

What do you like about Weber?

 

I think he's done well recruiting past and present. I also tend to give him a lot of credit for the 2004-2005 season.

 

I recognize that the Illini have underperformed recently, especially this year. I guess the underperforming hasn't tipped the scales against him yet in my eyes.

 

I don't have a close eye on him or Illinois though. While I know quite a bit about the Big Ten basketball, I admittedly have extreme tunnel vision when it comes to NCAA basketball. Most of what I know about other Big Ten teams is based on coverage leading up to and after a game they play against Purdue.

[Smack]

Assuming Hummel comes back ok next year - Painter isn't going to get real respect until he wins in 2012 (without any of the Big 3).

[scarey]

The one thing that needs to hold up in all of this is Travis Carroll. He was recruited as a 3 star prospect last year, but he lost weight before arriving and has contributed solid minutes as a freshman. I think he's up to task of running the 5 for a couple of years for Purdue.

 

The good thing about Carroll is that he's already a solid rebounder, and he actually is a decent shooter. However, he needs to work on his footwork and his defense. He's not going to be able to take the tough, off-balance shots that JaJuan takes, nor is he going to be able to play 36-38 minutes per game.

 

There's no way he's going to take JaJuan's place. The team will have a different dynamic starting next year. Carroll will need to rebound, get some clean up baskets, and man up on big bodies. I think he can do that. Improved speed and footwork would be great. He looks very clumsy in the motion offense right now. I think he can get better in those areas though. Look at Johnson as a freshman compared to him now as an example.

 

Bade too. Even though he's not a solid contributor, there's no doubting the guy's footwork and speed is much better than it was as a freshman. His confidence on the other hand...

[Smack]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bade were gone next year. I don't want Painter to push him out, but if he decides to go somewhere that he can actually get minutes I wouldn't blame him.

[tadowdaddy]

mizzou loses to nebraska. mizzou loses at home against kansas. mizzou loses in first round to iowa state. do they make the tournament?

 

yes, but barely

 

 

I still think they are in, but not the lock they once were. They are starting to inch back toward being bubble team, at least IMO. 21-7, 2-7 away (W's away against 140 RPI ISU and 146 RPI Oregon). 16-0 at home with their best win being against us (in terms of RPI). Their 2nd best is against Vandy, who is 24th in RPI.

 

They don't have any bad losses, but they don't have anything close to a marquee win. They are also fading at the end, which the committee looks at. I don't know how to value the neutral court win over Illinois, but it doesn't look as good to me now as it did earlier this year. A win vs KU would be HUGE. I'll probably actually be rooting for them to try and keep KU from another title..

[SouthSideRyan]

People are still talking about Memphis and Butler being at-larges. Mizzou's a lock