Lou wants a lefty

[Cubbie Swagger]

Edmonds/DeRosa > Bradley/Fontenot

 

I just wish we never let Edmonds go in the first place, that way him being out of shape wouldn't be an issue. I guess he wasn't left-handed enough.

 

I'm probably one of the only guys who has an Edmonds Cubs jersey. Anyone else? I still wear it to every game I go to.

[17 Seconds]

Poeple need to let the Edmonds thing go. We caught lightning in a bottle last year. The odds of him coming even remotely close to those numbers again this season were very, very slim. If they weren't, he'd have been signed by somebody by now.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Poeple need to let the Edmonds thing go. We caught lightning in a bottle last year. The odds of him coming even remotely close to those numbers again this season were very, very slim. If they weren't, he'd have been signed by somebody by now.

Well, yeah. But that's what people said before last year, too. I think the same could also be said about Milton Bradley after he lead the world in OPS.

[SouthSideRyan]

I thought this was a joke! :-)) On a side point, it looked like the work Lou has done with Bradley paid off in spades tonight. Nice AB.

 

 

I guarantee Milton Bradley leaves town as one of the most hated Cubs ever.

 

The recent espn article mentions how he has really poisioned the Cubs clubhouse.

 

I'd do whatever it took to get rid of this guy. Seriously, what a horrible decision to bring him here. Just another example of how inept the Cubs front office is.

 

Yes, bringing in a mentally unstable player to play under the pressure of wrigley and the Cub's fan was a terrible move. I was hoping initially that Hendry was on to something, but its obvious more than half way through the season the move is not paying off.

 

I just never saw it from him. He put up great numbers last year playing in a bandbox with 12 people in the stands. Nobody was there to watch him anyway, it was all about Hamilton and his great story. Plus, they had the luxury of playing him at DH.

 

Some players can handle the fishbowl of playing for the Cubs. I never thought bradley was one of those guys and, unfortunately, I think we're stuck with him.

 

Milton Bradley is OPSing 900+ in front of those crazy Wrigley fans that he can't handle.

[Arnold Layne]

Poeple need to let the Edmonds thing go. We caught lightning in a bottle last year. The odds of him coming even remotely close to those numbers again this season were very, very slim. If they weren't, he'd have been signed by somebody by now.

 

Maybe, but he'd still be better than Bradley. The fact he is not playing might be because he only had interest in the Cubs thing.

 

In the offseason, I found the thoughts of acquiring the head case, injury prone DH Bradley to be laughable. But Hendry never disappoints.

[witty alias]

god damnit

 

a) it doesn't matter what side of the plate he hits from. we need a hitter, period. stop with this lefty garbage

 

We have one, Fox, but Lou won't let him hit.

[CUBZ99]

I thought this was a joke! :-)) On a side point, it looked like the work Lou has done with Bradley paid off in spades tonight. Nice AB.

 

 

I guarantee Milton Bradley leaves town as one of the most hated Cubs ever.

 

The recent espn article mentions how he has really poisioned the Cubs clubhouse.

 

I'd do whatever it took to get rid of this guy. Seriously, what a horrible decision to bring him here. Just another example of how inept the Cubs front office is.

 

Yes, bringing in a mentally unstable player to play under the pressure of wrigley and the Cub's fan was a terrible move. I was hoping initially that Hendry was on to something, but its obvious more than half way through the season the move is not paying off.

 

 

 

I just never saw it from him. He put up great numbers last year playing in a bandbox with 12 people in the stands. Nobody was there to watch him anyway, it was all about Hamilton and his great story. Plus, they had the luxury of playing him at DH.

 

Some players can handle the fishbowl of playing for the Cubs. I never thought bradley was one of those guys and, unfortunately, I think we're stuck with him.

 

Milton Bradley is OPSing 900+ in front of those crazy Wrigley fans that he can't handle.

 

 

And .573 on the road. Maybe he is the anti-harden? Lou should only play him at home?

[17 Seconds]

Poeple need to let the Edmonds thing go. We caught lightning in a bottle last year. The odds of him coming even remotely close to those numbers again this season were very, very slim. If they weren't, he'd have been signed by somebody by now.

Well, yeah. But that's what people said before last year, too. I think the same could also be said about Milton Bradley after he lead the world in OPS.

 

Like I said, we caught lightning in a bottle last season with Edmonds. It was highly unlikely for that to be repeated.

[17 Seconds]

Poeple need to let the Edmonds thing go. We caught lightning in a bottle last year. The odds of him coming even remotely close to those numbers again this season were very, very slim. If they weren't, he'd have been signed by somebody by now.

 

Maybe, but he'd still be better than Bradley.

 

You don't know that at all. I bet he wouldn't be.

[Arnold Layne]

On what basis? Edmonds has a track record of performing as a Cub.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Poeple need to let the Edmonds thing go. We caught lightning in a bottle last year. The odds of him coming even remotely close to those numbers again this season were very, very slim. If they weren't, he'd have been signed by somebody by now.

Well, yeah. But that's what people said before last year, too. I think the same could also be said about Milton Bradley after he lead the world in OPS.

 

Like I said, we caught lightning in a bottle last season with Edmonds. It was highly unlikely for that to be repeated.

I really don't get the point of this post. You just said the same thing that I just quoted, in nearly the exact same words even.

 

Honestly, I agree with your point. I just think we should have given Edmonds the chance to show us that he was done, rather than assuming it. I mean, if we had signed him to an affordable deal, the worst case scenario would not be so bad. We would end up releasing him, trading him, or DFAing him. However, the potential upside would have been very large.

[17 Seconds]

Poeple need to let the Edmonds thing go. We caught lightning in a bottle last year. The odds of him coming even remotely close to those numbers again this season were very, very slim. If they weren't, he'd have been signed by somebody by now.

Well, yeah. But that's what people said before last year, too. I think the same could also be said about Milton Bradley after he lead the world in OPS.

 

Like I said, we caught lightning in a bottle last season with Edmonds. It was highly unlikely for that to be repeated.

I really don't get the point of this post. You just said the same thing that I just quoted, in nearly the exact same words even.

 

Honestly, I agree with your point. I just think we should have given Edmonds the chance to show us that he was done, rather than assuming it. I mean, if we had signed him to an affordable deal, the worst case scenario would not be so bad. We would end up releasing him, trading him, or DFAing him. However, the potential upside would have been very large.

 

You're not agreeing with me. You're saying he should have been signed.

 

Really, at the beginning of the season, how would he have fit in? Fukudome was going to get another shot to start in center and Johnson filled out the right handed half of the platoon. Right field was the only outfield position to fill, and it would have been silly to sign him instead of one of the other RF options out there. Once a permanent right fielder was signed, there was no place for Edmonds.

 

Hendry made the right move by letting Edmonds go. The problem is that he signed the wrong right fielder. All of this mess could have easily been avoided by signing Dunn. Oh well, I guess Hendry doesn't like guys who put up .900+ OPSs every season and completely mash right handed pitching. Oh wait, that's exactly what he was looking for.

 

Instead he signed the injury prone headcase who has mediocre overall career numbers and terrible career numbers from the left side. Even if Bradley was performing as expected, he still owuldn't be fitting the description of what Lou and Jim so desperately wanted. He's always sucked from the left side.

 

ok end rant

[Larry Horse]

I want Lou to go away.

 

You forgot to add Hendry to that sentence. Probably just an oversight.

[Friendly Confines]

We need to accept that there is no one player out there that can come in and right the offense. Its too inconsistant. OK, I take that back, there are guys who can do that, but I dont think that Pujols, A Rod, or Han Ram will be on the market any time soon.

 

 

Oh come on...we need a LEFTY

:D

[mopapa]

I thought this was a joke! :-)) On a side point, it looked like the work Lou has done with Bradley paid off in spades tonight. Nice AB.

 

 

I guarantee Milton Bradley leaves town as one of the most hated Cubs ever.

 

The recent espn article mentions how he has really poisioned the Cubs clubhouse.

 

I'd do whatever it took to get rid of this guy. Seriously, what a horrible decision to bring him here. Just another example of how inept the Cubs front office is.

 

What recent espn article? I must have missed it. Anyone have a link? Thanks.

[Tracer Bullet]

This lefty garbage is borderline infuriating. You'd think they'd have learned something, but we just end up with the exact same headline we read last October before the best Cubs team any of us has ever seen got dismantled.

 

Mark DeRosa was great for us, but I wouldnt call trading him dismantling the team. Other than him and Edmonds, we have the same basic core, and they're not getting the job done unless were facing really bad pitchers.

 

 

Edmonds and DeRosa combined for like 140 RBI last year.

 

Nobodys ever denied that trading DeRosa was stupid, but thats no excuse for the crap and inconsistancy weve gotten from the rest of these guys.

 

Lots of people have denied that trading DeRosa was stupid. It was the return on the trade and/or the failing to replace him adequately that pissed people off. Planning to play Fontenot every day at 2B and not having anyone that could play 3B when (not if, when) ARam missed some time was at least unwise if not stupid. Trading a mid-30s middle infielder coming off a career year in and of itself wasn't stupid.

[CUBZ99]

Speaking of DeRosa, last time I looked Aaron Miles was hitting below .200 in AAA! How long can they keep him in Iowa, before they are forced to call him up? And at what point does Hendry admit his mistake and either trade him or DFA?

[dew1679666265]

Speaking of DeRosa, last time I looked Aaron Miles was hitting below .200 in AAA! How long can they keep him in Iowa, before they are forced to call him up? And at what point does Hendry admit his mistake and either trade him or DFA?

 

As long as he's on the DL and isn't complaining, I think they can keep him rehabbing down there indefinitely.

[larhur]

It doesn't matter who Lou gets, He still has Bradley, Soriano, no second baseman, Johnson or whom ever in center. Bad team, head case hitters and a manager that doesn't have players to plug in the line-up, he needs to play the younger players and let the head cases sit and brood, that is my rant.

[javy knows my name]

We need to accept that there is no one player out there that can come in and right the offense. Its too inconsistant. OK, I take that back, there are guys who can do that, but I dont think that Pujols, A Rod, or Han Ram will be on the market any time soon.

 

 

Oh come on...we need a LEFTY

:D

heheh nice

[scarey]

Instead he signed the injury prone headcase who has mediocre overall career numbers and terrible career numbers from the left side. Even if Bradley was performing as expected, he still owuldn't be fitting the description of what Lou and Jim so desperately wanted. He's always sucked from the left side.

 

 

.792 career OPS as a left handed batter is terrible? It's not exactly all world, but is it terrible? Especially considering the last four years before signing as a Cub he had OPS of .940, .937, .793, and .856 as a lefty?

 

Really?

 

And a career OPS of .820 is mediocre? Really? Even whille hitting in non-band box type stadiums at home like in 2007 when he OPSed 1.000 as a Padre?

 

I'm sorry, but all these people like you with I-told-ya-so's about Bradley have no ground to stand on because the chief complaint was that he would be injured. At this pont he's played in 5 less games than our iron man Derek Lee. Nobody was predicting that he wouldn't perform when he played.

 

It all comes down to the fact that he's having a terrible year at the plate. Nothing more, nothing less. Slumps happen in baseball. Just look at our beloved Jim Edmonds who OPSed a whopping .728 in the '07 season and .458 to start the '08 season before miraculously turning it around with the Cubs and hitting for a .937 OPS.

[Cubbie Swagger]

You're not agreeing with me. You're saying he should have been signed.

I am agreeing with you, just not about that. I'm agreeing with you that it is unlikely that Edmonds would have repeated his 2008 performance.

 

Really, at the beginning of the season, how would he have fit in? Fukudome was going to get another shot to start in center and Johnson filled out the right handed half of the platoon. Right field was the only outfield position to fill, and it would have been silly to sign him instead of one of the other RF options out there.

How would he fit in? Um... the same way he fit in last year. In center. Why would Fukudome be getting a chance in center? The only reason he plays there is because we signed a right fielder. Otherwise, Fukudome would still be playing his natural (and best) position. I don't think it would have been silly to resign Edmonds. If it didn't work out, we would have the extra cash to go out and get someone during the season.

 

Once a permanent right fielder was signed, there was no place for Edmonds.

Well, obviously.

 

Hendry made the right move by letting Edmonds go. The problem is that he signed the wrong right fielder. All of this mess could have easily been avoided by signing Dunn. Oh well, I guess Hendry doesn't like guys who put up .900+ OPSs every season and completely mash right handed pitching. Oh wait, that's exactly what he was looking for.

I think the major concern there (at least for me) was defense. With Soriano in left, Dunn in right, and a right fielder playing center... that would be the worst defensive outfield in baseball.

 

Instead he signed the injury prone headcase who has mediocre overall career numbers and terrible career numbers from the left side. Even if Bradley was performing as expected, he still owuldn't be fitting the description of what Lou and Jim so desperately wanted. He's always sucked from the left side.

 

ok end rant

Yeah. I agree with all this. The fact that Hendry thought Bradley was what he was looking for is ridiculous. It's not even that Bradley has underperformed. It's that even if he was hitting well, he still wouldn't fit the criteria that Hendry was looking for.

[dew1679666265]

How would he fit in? Um... the same way he fit in last year. In center. Why would Fukudome be getting a chance in center? The only reason he plays there is because we signed a right fielder. Otherwise, Fukudome would still be playing his natural (and best) position. I don't think it would have been silly to resign Edmonds. If it didn't work out, we would have the extra cash to go out and get someone during the season.

 

How much extra cash we'd have would depend on how much Edmonds cost us. He made $8 million last year and would obviously have made less this year. But how much less was he willing to go? Money may well be a reason he's unsigned right now.

 

Also, what big bat in right field is available right now that we could have acquired had Edmonds not worked out?

[TruffleShuffle]

Instead he signed the injury prone headcase who has mediocre overall career numbers and terrible career numbers from the left side. Even if Bradley was performing as expected, he still owuldn't be fitting the description of what Lou and Jim so desperately wanted. He's always sucked from the left side.

 

 

.792 career OPS as a left handed batter is terrible? It's not exactly all world, but is it terrible? Especially considering the last four years before signing as a Cub he had OPS of .940, .937, .793, and .856 as a lefty?

 

Really?

 

And a career OPS of .820 is mediocre? Really? Even whille hitting in non-band box type stadiums at home like in 2007 when he OPSed 1.000 as a Padre?

 

don't bother, we've tried this before with dexter.

[Cubbie Swagger]

How much extra cash we'd have would depend on how much Edmonds cost us. He made $8 million last year and would obviously have made less this year. But how much less was he willing to go? Money may well be a reason he's unsigned right now.

I bet Edmonds would have signed for 1-2 mil just to stay with the Cubs.

 

Also, what big bat in right field is available right now that we could have acquired had Edmonds not worked out?

I'm sure we could have snagged Nate McLouth pretty easily and played Kosuke in right. Or, we could have moved DeRosa to the outfield and gone after an infielder (Sanchez or whoever).