Freddie Sanchez trade rumors

[italianocubsfan7]

Getting Freddy Sanchez would be huge for this team at this point in the season. If I were making the decisions here would be my Cubs lineup after the acquisition:

 

1. Fuld-CF (but more likely Fukudome or Reed since Lou has no backbone)

2. Sanchez-2B

3. Lee-1B

4. Ramirez-3B

5. Bradley-RF

6. Soriano-LF

7. Hill-C (Soto when he comes back)

8. Theriot-SS

 

I'm not sure who we would give up to get Freddy from the Bucs, but Hendry has dealth with Pittsburgh so much the last 7 years that it can definitely get done before the 31st.

[Keener98]

Yea the reason why Fuld isnt in the lineup over Fuku is because Lou has no backbone. Yea thats it.

[dew1679666265]

1. Fuld-CF (but more likely Fukudome or Reed since Lou has no backbone)

 

Fuld has posted these numbers since reaching AA ball: .771 OPS, .728 OPS, .755 OPS. All of those are minor league numbers. He's 27 years old and is repeating AAA for the second time (his third stint overall). His OBP in his two seasons of only AAA ball are .358 and .359.

 

If he doesn't lead off, it's not because Lou doesn't have a backbone. It's because we have better options.

 

I'm not sure who we would give up to get Freddy from the Bucs, but Hendry has dealth with Pittsburgh so much the last 7 years that it can definitely get done before the 31st.

 

I wouldn't give up a lot in terms of quality prospects, but we'll probably have to offer up a pretty decent package since it appears there are other teams bidding for him.

[inari]

Sam Fuld is a champion. I say we offer Fuld for Sanchez and the Pirates top draft picks for the next three years.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Sam Fuld is a champion. I say we offer Fuld for Sanchez and the Pirates top draft picks for the next three years.

 

If the Pirates get Fuld, they'll just end up with the number 31 pick each year, so it wouldnt be wort it.

[inari]

Sam Fuld is a champion. I say we offer Fuld for Sanchez and the Pirates top draft picks for the next three years.

 

If the Pirates get Fuld, they'll just end up with the number 31 pick each year, so it wouldnt be wort it.

 

Nice.

[italianocubsfan7]

Fukudome is hitting .197 since June 1st. And while I do think he is good defensively, there is nothing Fuld can't do in centerfield than Fukudome can.

[dew1679666265]

Fukudome is hitting .197 since June 1st. And while I do think he is good defensively, there is nothing Fuld can't do in centerfield than Fukudome can.

 

So move Fuku down to the 7-8 spot and put Theriot/Bradley at the top of the order. The answer at the leadoff spot is not a guy whose upside is as a fifth outfielder.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Fukudome is hitting .197 since June 1st. And while I do think he is good defensively, there is nothing Fuld can't do in centerfield than Fukudome can.

 

Seriously, Im all about riding Fuld as long as we can and see how it goes.

[Jake]

FWIW...

 

Pirates Notebook: No urgency to Sanchez trade

 

Rather, the official said, teams have approached the Pirates about Sanchez, as they have approached about several players, something that is common in advance of Major League Baseball's July 31 trading deadline.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09194/983531-63.stm#ixzz0LAq0TqQl&D

[italianocubsfan7]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

Also, yes, I acknowledge that Fuld isn't proven yet, but he only has 16 at-bats, so we can't really go off much as of right now.

[dew1679666265]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

They'd actually do well to trade him now - he's 31 so he's not likely in their long term plans.

 

Also, yes, I acknowledge that Fuld isn't proven yet, but he only has 16 at-bats, so we can't really go off much as of right now.

 

Fuld does have a minor league track record though. If he becomes good in the majors, it'll be completely opposite of his minor league numbers.

[Jake]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

They'd actually do well to trade him now - he's 31 so he's not likely in their long term plans.

 

I'm guessing the general plan is, if offered a good return, they'll trade him. But, they won't trade him for the sake of trading him. Same w/ Jack Wilson.

 

The problem is, we'd need a 2B back, as we have no one in the minors who's close enough to being ready to take over, even on a stretch. Same w/ Jack. Such is the Legacy of Dave Littlefield.

[dew1679666265]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

They'd actually do well to trade him now - he's 31 so he's not likely in their long term plans.

 

I'm guessing the general plan is, if offered a good return, they'll trade him. But, they won't trade him for the sake of trading him. Same w/ Jack Wilson.

 

The problem is, we'd need a 2B back, as we have no one in the minors who's close enough to being ready to take over, even on a stretch. Same w/ Jack. Such is the Legacy of Dave Littlefield.

 

Yeah, I'm not advocating dumping him for the sake of it - I'm just saying there's no real benefit to keeping him. He's not a 26 year old just coming into his own so if a good offer is on the table, there's no reason to refuse it.

[Keener98]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

They'd actually do well to trade him now - he's 31 so he's not likely in their long term plans.

 

I'm guessing the general plan is, if offered a good return, they'll trade him. But, they won't trade him for the sake of trading him. Same w/ Jack Wilson.

 

The problem is, we'd need a 2B back, as we have no one in the minors who's close enough to being ready to take over, even on a stretch. Same w/ Jack. Such is the Legacy of Dave Littlefield.

 

We will give you Fonteot, Miles, and Baker. Now you have plenty of 2nd baseman to replace Sanchez....Deal?

[inari]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

Also, yes, I acknowledge that Fuld isn't proven yet, but he only has 16 at-bats, so we can't really go off much as of right now.

 

we have a lot to go off of. Fuld has a long career in the minors and has proven he can't hit.

[Guest]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

They'd actually do well to trade him now - he's 31 so he's not likely in their long term plans.

 

I'm guessing the general plan is, if offered a good return, they'll trade him. But, they won't trade him for the sake of trading him. Same w/ Jack Wilson.

 

The problem is, we'd need a 2B back, as we have no one in the minors who's close enough to being ready to take over, even on a stretch. Same w/ Jack. Such is the Legacy of Dave Littlefield.

 

We will give you Fonteot, Miles, and Baker. Now you have plenty of 2nd baseman to replace Sanchez....Deal?

 

He probably meant major league second basemen.

[Keener98]

They are all in the Majors.

[Guest]

They are all in the Majors.

 

Okay, I'll try again. Maybe he meant major league caliber 2b's.

[Keener98]

They are all in the Majors.

 

Okay, I'll try again. Maybe he meant major league caliber 2b's.

 

Ohh well send Hendry to the Pirates, and then they will all be viewed as major league caliber 2b's. :D

[Little Slide Rooter]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

Also, yes, I acknowledge that Fuld isn't proven yet, but he only has 16 at-bats, so we can't really go off much as of right now.

 

we have a lot to go off of. Fuld has a long career in the minors and has proven he can't hit.

His career minor league line is .287/.370/.404. I wouldnt call that proving he cant hit. While its nice to have the high OPS guys at the heart of your lineup Id prefer the high avg. guys at the top of it. Ryan Theriots career minor league line was .271/.355/.337, and like him or hate him, he is becoming a very solid major league hitter despite the fact that hes not the high OPS type. Assuming what weve seen from Fuld is the real deal, a Fuld-Theriot 1-2 is more of a traditional top of the order with the big boppers coming up behind them. Am I saying that what weve seen from Sam Fuld is what we can expect in the future? Maybe, maybe not, but Id sure like to give him a chance and find out, especially while Kosuke isnt exactly smoking the ball.

[davearm2]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

Also, yes, I acknowledge that Fuld isn't proven yet, but he only has 16 at-bats, so we can't really go off much as of right now.

 

we have a lot to go off of. Fuld has a long career in the minors and has proven he can't hit.

His career minor league line is .287/.370/.404. I wouldnt call that proving he cant hit. While its nice to have the high OPS guys at the heart of your lineup Id prefer the high avg. guys at the top of it. Ryan Theriots career minor league line was .271/.355/.337, and like him or hate him, he is becoming a very solid major league hitter despite the fact that hes not the high OPS type. Assuming what weve seen from Fuld is the real deal, a Fuld-Theriot 1-2 is more of a traditional top of the order with the big boppers coming up behind them. Am I saying that what weve seen from Sam Fuld is what we can expect in the future? Maybe, maybe not, but Id sure like to give him a chance and find out, especially while Kosuke isnt exactly smoking the ball.

As has been discussed before, looking at Theriot's career minor league line is very misleading since he was awful as a switch-hitter 2001-2004.

 

After dropping the lefthanded swing he went .756 in the Southern League and .746 in the PCL -- right in line with his MLB OPS of .739.

[Keener98]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

Also, yes, I acknowledge that Fuld isn't proven yet, but he only has 16 at-bats, so we can't really go off much as of right now.

 

we have a lot to go off of. Fuld has a long career in the minors and has proven he can't hit.

His career minor league line is .287/.370/.404. I wouldnt call that proving he cant hit. While its nice to have the high OPS guys at the heart of your lineup Id prefer the high avg. guys at the top of it. Ryan Theriots career minor league line was .271/.355/.337, and like him or hate him, he is becoming a very solid major league hitter despite the fact that hes not the high OPS type. Assuming what weve seen from Fuld is the real deal, a Fuld-Theriot 1-2 is more of a traditional top of the order with the big boppers coming up behind them. Am I saying that what weve seen from Sam Fuld is what we can expect in the future? Maybe, maybe not, but Id sure like to give him a chance and find out, especially while Kosuke isnt exactly smoking the ball.

 

If I recall correctly those career minor league numbers are inflated from the lower minors, and his numbers at higher levels are not good. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that.

[dew1679666265]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

Also, yes, I acknowledge that Fuld isn't proven yet, but he only has 16 at-bats, so we can't really go off much as of right now.

 

we have a lot to go off of. Fuld has a long career in the minors and has proven he can't hit.

His career minor league line is .287/.370/.404. I wouldnt call that proving he cant hit. While its nice to have the high OPS guys at the heart of your lineup Id prefer the high avg. guys at the top of it. Ryan Theriots career minor league line was .271/.355/.337, and like him or hate him, he is becoming a very solid major league hitter despite the fact that hes not the high OPS type. Assuming what weve seen from Fuld is the real deal, a Fuld-Theriot 1-2 is more of a traditional top of the order with the big boppers coming up behind them. Am I saying that what weve seen from Sam Fuld is what we can expect in the future? Maybe, maybe not, but Id sure like to give him a chance and find out, especially while Kosuke isnt exactly smoking the ball.

 

If I recall correctly those career minor league numbers are inflated from the lower minors, and his numbers at higher levels are not good. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that.

 

You are correct.

 

Fuld at low A: .300/.377/.433/.810 44:50 K:BB

 

Fuld at high A: .300/.378/.422/.801 54:40 K:BB

 

Fuld at AA/AA year one: .287/.376/.395/.771 43:50 K:BB

 

Fuld at AA/AAA year two: .264/.358/.371/.728 52:58 K:BB

 

Fuld at AAA this year: .286/.359/.397/.755 22:33 K:BB

[dew1679666265]

yeah we'll see what happens, who knows maybe the Pirates will actually keep a player for once rather then trading him away.

 

Also, yes, I acknowledge that Fuld isn't proven yet, but he only has 16 at-bats, so we can't really go off much as of right now.

 

we have a lot to go off of. Fuld has a long career in the minors and has proven he can't hit.

His career minor league line is .287/.370/.404. I wouldnt call that proving he cant hit. While its nice to have the high OPS guys at the heart of your lineup Id prefer the high avg. guys at the top of it. Ryan Theriots career minor league line was .271/.355/.337, and like him or hate him, he is becoming a very solid major league hitter despite the fact that hes not the high OPS type. Assuming what weve seen from Fuld is the real deal, a Fuld-Theriot 1-2 is more of a traditional top of the order with the big boppers coming up behind them. Am I saying that what weve seen from Sam Fuld is what we can expect in the future? Maybe, maybe not, but Id sure like to give him a chance and find out, especially while Kosuke isnt exactly smoking the ball.

 

If you don't want Kosuke up there, the best duo at the top of the order would probably be Theriot and Bradley. I would argue, however, that Kosuke's approach suits him best at the top of the lineup and he's shown signs since moving there of perhaps warming up a bit.

 

Fuld has been less than stellar since being promoted from high A ball.