Dempster on 15 DL

[NonProfitCow]

A broken toe? That can't be good long term, can it?

 

You'd think it'd be better that it's the Right toe rather than the left toe (his push off foot).

 

Where the hell did this come from anyways?

 

Wouldn't his right foot be his push off foot?

 

Maybe I'm using "push off foot" incorrectly as I'm referring to his lead foot but I guess there is strain put upon the foot that toes the rubber as well.

His right foot is his push foot. Probably doesn't matter on the push itself, but you drag that toe on the push.

[Old Style]

From Bruce Miles blog:

 

How about this? The Cubs just announced they’ve put pitcher Ryan Dempster on the DL with a “great right toe fracture.” That’s not so great.

 

Demp was supposed to start tonight, but Big Z will replace him. The Cubs have recalled Kevin Hart from Iowa to start tomorrow’s series finale with the Braves. Dempster is 5-5 with a 4.09 ERA in 17 starts. Hart was 0-0 with a 1.59 ERA in 4 relief appearances with the Cubs this year. He had spent part of this year as a starter at Iowa, going 3-3 with a 3.10 ERA.

 

Zambrano is going on short rest, as he pitched last Friday against the Brewers, going 7 innings and getting a no-decision in the Cubs' 2-1, 10-inning victory.

 

Of course, much more later.

 

Why in the world would the Cubs have Zambrano start on short rest? Why not just pitch Hart tonight and Z tomorrow?

 

Maybe they cant get Hart there tonight? I dont know

Whoever starts tonight will also start again on Sunday against the Cards. This may be another reason Z starts tonight.

[bcl412]

A broken toe? That can't be good long term, can it?

 

You'd think it'd be better that it's the Right toe rather than the left toe (his push off foot).

 

Where the hell did this come from anyways?

 

Wouldn't his right foot be his push off foot?

 

Maybe I'm using "push off foot" incorrectly as I'm referring to his lead foot but I guess there is strain put upon the foot that toes the rubber as well.

His right foot is his push foot. Probably doesn't matter on the push itself, but you drag that toe on the push.

 

Wow. Apparently I had the terminology wrong on that for a long time.

 

Funny because I used to pitch too. :D

[Little Slide Rooter]

If its THAT serious, theres always Pedro.

[NCCubFan]

This isn't even being reported on cubs.com yet. They still show Dempster pitching tonight.

[jersey cubs fan]

I have to imagine they will consider going back to 12 pitchers very soon.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I have to imagine they will consider going back to 12 pitchers very soon.

 

Only 6 games before the ASB. Maybe, maybe not. If Demps needs more than the retroactive 15 day stint, then we may need to do something.

[tinkerstoeverstochance]

per espn1000/ cubs release , it wont go retro and it'll go from today

[NCCubFan]

I have to imagine they will consider going back to 12 pitchers very soon.

 

Only 6 games before the ASB. Maybe, maybe not. If Demps needs more than the retroactive 15 day stint, then we may need to do something.

I suspect he's thinking of the likelihood of the bullpen getting taxed the next couple of days. With Z pitching on short rest tonight and Hart pitching tomorrow they'll be lucky to average 5 innings per starter.

[inari]

Am I wrong for thinking this is an injury that will absolutely keep Dempster out longer significantly longer than 15 days?

[Little Slide Rooter]

per espn1000/ cubs release , it wont go retro and it'll go from today

 

why?

[NCCubFan]

per espn1000/ cubs release , it wont go retro and it'll go from today

That makes zero sense. It's almost automatically retroactive. Even if they don't THINK he'll be ready before 15 days from today there's no reason not to at least have the flexibility.

[CUBZ99]

per espn1000/ cubs release , it wont go retro and it'll go from today

 

why?

 

Probably going to take at least 4 -6 weeks to heal properly. So there is no point on making it retro.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I have to imagine they will consider going back to 12 pitchers very soon.

 

Only 6 games before the ASB. Maybe, maybe not. If Demps needs more than the retroactive 15 day stint, then we may need to do something.

I suspect he's thinking of the likelihood of the bullpen getting taxed the next couple of days. With Z pitching on short rest tonight and Hart pitching tomorrow they'll be lucky to average 5 innings per starter.

 

So put Marshall in the rotation

call up Fossum as a loogy

put Hart at the end of the pen in Pattons old spot, even though Id prefer Stevens

Send down Hoffpauir.

[NCCubFan]

I also disagree with starting Z tonight. If Hart can't make it on time start Samarzidja. Messing up tonight's game may be unavoidable; no need to mess up tomorrow as well. Some times you need to look at the bigger picture even if it means sacrificing a game. The Cubs have been hot lately; they can afford to lose one game and still win the series 2-1.

[Cubswin11]

If he's going to be out for a month+ we almost have to make a move either sign/call up a lefty (if there are any in the system) and make Marshall a starter because Hart/Shark aren't going to have success being ML starters, but Lou/Hendry seem set on keeping Marshall in the bullpen.

[NCCubFan]

I have to imagine they will consider going back to 12 pitchers very soon.

 

Only 6 games before the ASB. Maybe, maybe not. If Demps needs more than the retroactive 15 day stint, then we may need to do something.

I suspect he's thinking of the likelihood of the bullpen getting taxed the next couple of days. With Z pitching on short rest tonight and Hart pitching tomorrow they'll be lucky to average 5 innings per starter.

 

So put Marshall in the rotation

call up Fossum as a loogy

put Hart at the end of the pen in Pattons old spot, even though Id prefer Stevens

Send down Hoffpauir.

Again, Marshall isn't ready to start since he pitched last night. That may be a longer-term solution, but not for the next couple of days.

[JonJayCutler]

Of course this happens the day after we get three key players back.

[Prizefight]

per espn1000/ cubs release , it wont go retro and it'll go from today

 

why?

 

Probably going to take at least 4 -6 weeks to heal properly. So there is no point on making it retro.

 

Plus if you make it retroactive, they couldn't bring Kevin Hart back since he was on the roster on July 3rd. So those two points make it a no brainer

[jersey cubs fan]

I have to imagine they will consider going back to 12 pitchers very soon.

 

Only 6 games before the ASB. Maybe, maybe not. If Demps needs more than the retroactive 15 day stint, then we may need to do something.

I suspect he's thinking of the likelihood of the bullpen getting taxed the next couple of days. With Z pitching on short rest tonight and Hart pitching tomorrow they'll be lucky to average 5 innings per starter.

 

Yeah, that's my point. With Harden an unknown at this point, Zambrano rushing to fit in 2 starts before the ASB and Hart or whoever starting the other game, these are likely to burn through a lot of relievers the next 6 games.

[NCCubFan]

Now cubs.com shows Z as tonight's starter. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[hawkeyecub]

per espn1000/ cubs release , it wont go retro and it'll go from today

That makes zero sense. It's almost automatically retroactive. Even if they don't THINK he'll be ready before 15 days from today there's no reason not to at least have the flexibility.

 

If they made it retroactive to that date they couldn't recall Hart because he was on the roster July 3rd.

 

They want Hart and they know it will be at least 15 days for Demp so they made it active from today.

[NCCubFan]

per espn1000/ cubs release , it wont go retro and it'll go from today

That makes zero sense. It's almost automatically retroactive. Even if they don't THINK he'll be ready before 15 days from today there's no reason not to at least have the flexibility.

 

If they made it retroactive to that date they couldn't recall Hart because he was on the roster July 3rd.

 

They want Hart and they know it will be at least 15 days for Demp so they made it active from today.

I wasn't aware of that rule concerning Hart. That makes a difference.

[jersey cubs fan]

per espn1000/ cubs release , it wont go retro and it'll go from today

That makes zero sense. It's almost automatically retroactive. Even if they don't THINK he'll be ready before 15 days from today there's no reason not to at least have the flexibility.

 

If they made it retroactive to that date they couldn't recall Hart because he was on the roster July 3rd.

 

They want Hart and they know it will be at least 15 days for Demp so they made it active from today.

I wasn't aware of that rule concerning Hart. That makes a difference.

 

But it doesn't make sense. You aren't making Hart's callup retroactive, just the DLd player. It's 2 seperate moves. If they wanted they could turn around and send Hart down and call somebody else back up.

[CUBZ99]

per espn1000/ cubs release , it wont go retro and it'll go from today

That makes zero sense. It's almost automatically retroactive. Even if they don't THINK he'll be ready before 15 days from today there's no reason not to at least have the flexibility.

 

If they made it retroactive to that date they couldn't recall Hart because he was on the roster July 3rd.

 

They want Hart and they know it will be at least 15 days for Demp so they made it active from today.

I wasn't aware of that rule concerning Hart. That makes a difference.

 

But it doesn't make sense. You aren't making Hart's callup retroactive, just the DLd player. It's 2 seperate moves. If they wanted they could turn around and send Hart down and call somebody else back up.

 

If you have medical findings that show a fractured toe and healing time for the toe will be well over 15 days, what is the point of DL'ing Dempster retroactive to the date he last pitched?