Today (7/6)'s Derek Jeter call at 3B

[Roast]

I dont know if any of you have seen this on ESPN yet but today there was a call at third base involving Derek Jeter where he was sliding into the base and was called out despite being safe. He flipped out, as did Girardi. Joe was eventually ejected. Sounds pretty straight forward, but the reason it's news is that the umpire apparently told Jeter "The ball beat you, so he didn't have to tag you." as the reason he was out.

 

John Kruk just went on a hilarious tirade on baseball tonight about it. But since this call happened against baseballs poster boy do you think there is actually any chance of some kind of action against the ump?

[DiamondMind]

Let me just go ahead and speak for everyone, and say that if this happened to jason bartlett or whoever, no one would even care.

[NonProfitCow]

Let me just go ahead and speak for everyone, and say that if this happened to jason bartlett or whoever, no one would even care.

Bite your tongue. You can't lump the Tampa Bay Rays 2008 team MVP in with just anyone.

[Roast]

Let me just go ahead and speak for everyone, and say that if this happened to jason bartlett or whoever, no one would even care.

Well clearly and I'm pretty sure I implied that pretty heavily in my post. What I'm saying, though, is that because it was jeter. Do you guys think that the ump will actually be reprimanded for this as he should be?

[Cynosure]

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[TruffleShuffle]

Let me just go ahead and speak for everyone, and say that if this happened to jason bartlett or whoever, no one would even care.

Well clearly and I'm pretty sure I implied that pretty heavily in my post. What I'm saying, though, is that because it was jeter. Do you guys think that the ump will actually be reprimanded for this as he should be?

 

it depends on whether he said what jeter claims he said. if he did then he'll be reprimanded and probably asked to read the rule book again. if he didn't say it then they won't reprimand him because MLB would be awful busy calling every umpire for every blown call they make.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

95 times out of 100 on that play the runner is called out because the ball beat them, then the runner slides into the tag. If the ump is disciplined then Bud and Co. are bigger goof offs than they have lead us to believe so far. :2cents:

[Cynosure]

Just saw the replay... what a joke. If the umpires actually watched if the player avoided the tag instead of who beat who then maybe they'd get this right... Jeter had every right to argue... what an awful call.

[Schwarber Fan]

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http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200907065436713&c_id=nyy

[TruffleShuffle]

Just saw the replay... what a joke. If the umpires actually watched if the player avoided the tag instead of who beat who then maybe they'd get this right... Jeter had every right to argue... what an awful call.

 

the glove barely missed jeter's hand, it's not an awful call. it's only an awful call if you're sitting at home on the computer watching the replay in slow motion 10 times.

[Schwarber Fan]

I highly doubt the "he didn't have to tag you" part was uttered by the ump, even though it is obviously implied. Jeter deserved to be out anyway - it was a stupid decision to run there. (But that's partly just the Yankee hater in me :))

[Cynosure]

Just saw the replay... what a joke. If the umpires actually watched if the player avoided the tag instead of who beat who then maybe they'd get this right... Jeter had every right to argue... what an awful call.

 

the glove barely missed jeter's hand, it's not an awful call. it's only an awful call if you're sitting at home on the computer watching the replay in slow motion 10 times.

 

I saw it and called it a bad call in real time the first time I saw it... why the hell should a player even try a deke slide? The umpire is subconsciously trained to call him out anyways...

[shnsajax]

Just saw the replay... what a joke. If the umpires actually watched if the player avoided the tag instead of who beat who then maybe they'd get this right... Jeter had every right to argue... what an awful call.

 

the glove barely missed jeter's hand, it's not an awful call. it's only an awful call if you're sitting at home on the computer watching the replay in slow motion 10 times.

 

The call is not awful, just the explanation of it from the ump. My problem is if he said that, then it probably really is how he called it. It was a split second reaction, I am guessing he the ump told the truth to Jeter and didn't say that just to piss him off. Anyways I am glad it happened to Jeter as it should be looked at and umps need to be held to a higher level of scrutiny. I am tired of the pissy ump who does no wrong and is above everyone else.

[Roast]

Just saw the replay... what a joke. If the umpires actually watched if the player avoided the tag instead of who beat who then maybe they'd get this right... Jeter had every right to argue... what an awful call.

 

the glove barely missed jeter's hand, it's not an awful call. it's only an awful call if you're sitting at home on the computer watching the replay in slow motion 10 times.

 

The call is not awful, just the explanation of it from the ump. My problem is if he said that, then it probably really is how he called it. It was a split second reaction, I am guessing he the ump told the truth to Jeter and didn't say that just to piss him off. Anyways I am glad it happened to Jeter as it should be looked at and umps need to be held to a higher level of scrutiny. I am tired of the pissy ump who does no wrong and is above everyone else.

Exactly. I'm thrilled this finally happened to jeter because now it will get the attention it deserves when this happens to every other player.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It's not that bad a call. In real time, there's the possibility that the glove gets his hand. In slo-mo, it's clear he missed it, but the ump didn't see it in slo motion.

 

Now if the ump said, "The ball beat you, he didn't have to tag you," then he's wrong for saying that and should be reprimanded. But if he answered him, "the ball beat you." While it implies he didn't see the tag applied, it's not a horrible answer and explains why Jeter was called out. The umps have to call it like they see it and from where he was positioned, and in real speed, it probably appeared to the ump Jeter was out. And on calls of safe or out, the ump really doesn't have to explain those. They aren't subject to review just as balls and strikes are not.

[BigSlick]

Let me just go ahead and speak for everyone, and say that if this happened to jason bartlett or whoever, no one would even care.

Same thing with THE GREAT BOSTON COLLAPSE (they lost when having an 8 run lead about a week ago)

 

I swear that happens a few times a year (recently its been the Cubs that have pulled off the ridiculous comebacks) and no one talks about it nearly as much as when it happened to Boston. Ridiculous.

 

I mean heck about a month ago Cleveland came back, what, 6 runs down with 2 outs in the 9th and won? Come on, thats hella cool too and no one talked about it past the day it happened.

[cubweiser03]

If Jeter would of lifted his hand ala Kenny Lofton then the ump probably would of called him safe. The ump was too honest, its not a secret umps will use the ball beat you as a guage to call safe/out. Even after slow mo it was hard to distinguish safe or out. This call wont change anything how ump calls plays like this, they dont have cyborg eyes.

[jersey cubs fan]

The ump that started the Bradley injury incident was reprimanded and he was hardly baseball's poster boy.

[Roast]

The ump that started the Bradley injury incident was reprimanded and he was hardly baseball's poster boy.

This is true. And like vance was saying - i personally dont really blame him for making the wrong call as it was a very close play. But if he really did say "The ball beat you, so you're out" then he need to be reprimanded - or at least re-read the rule book. It just seems like if this excuse were given to most of the other players in the league it wouldn't get the attention it is. It might get a mention but there's a difference between an ump provoking an altercation (such as in Bradley's case) and an ump making a bad call based on flawed logic. Or so it would seem.

[Sammy Sofa]

That "flawed logic" has been the way it's been for a long ass time. It's not going to shake up because potato-head gets all pissy about it.

[bcl412]

It's pretty clear that Jeter told Girardi that "he said the ball beat me" in the replay. It's hard to say what else was said though.

[Roast]

That "flawed logic" has been the way it's been for a long ass time. It's not going to shake up because potato-head gets all pissy about it.

First of all...Potato-head?

 

But secondly, I realize that because something happened to jeter it's not going to change the game forever - or how the umpires call it. It really should, however, at least cause someone (selig?) to say "Hey, the rule is that you have to tag them. So, uh, keep that in mind." Anything that implies that an umpire should, you know, follow the rules as they're written would be a good thing.

[Sammy Sofa]

That "flawed logic" has been the way it's been for a long ass time. It's not going to shake up because potato-head gets all pissy about it.

First of all...Potato-head?

 

But secondly, I realize that because something happened to jeter it's not going to change the game forever - or how the umpires call it. It really should, however, at least cause someone (selig?) to say "Hey, the rule is that you have to tag them. So, uh, keep that in mind." Anything that implies that an umpire should, you know, follow the rules as they're written would be a good thing.

 

That's all well and good, but the "if the ball beats you you're out" idea hinges on it being a close play and the umpire only able to see so much. The only reason anyone knows Jeter was safe was due to the hindsight of numerous replays from different angles and slow-motion. As it happened, it was a bang-bang play that was VERY close. The human eye can only follow so much with that kind of flurry of action. Nothing unusual happened on that play: the ump just verbalized it poorly.

Edited July 8, 2009 by Sammy Sofa

[Soul]

Yanks had a couple home run balls called back and they instituted replay.

 

A couple more calls like this against Jeter and they'll probably have to put manager's challenges in.

[Guest]

That "flawed logic" has been the way it's been for a long ass time. It's not going to shake up because potato-head gets all pissy about it.

First of all...Potato-head?

 

But secondly, I realize that because something happened to jeter it's not going to change the game forever - or how the umpires call it. It really should, however, at least cause someone (selig?) to say "Hey, the rule is that you have to tag them. So, uh, keep that in mind." Anything that implies that an umpire should, you know, follow the rules as they're written would be a good thing.

 

I never watched the replay, but I can show you replay after replay where the 2b/SS never actually steps on second base on a play where the umpire consistently calls double play outs.

 

Some of the the unwritten rules of baseball are that if the ball beats you, you will probably be called out if it looks close and as long as you are in the neighborhood of second base on a double play grounder, it's okay if you don't actually put your foot on the bag.

 

I would agree, however, that the umpire shouldn't be quoting these unwritten rules as gospel, because there is a reason you don't print these unwritten rules.