Matt Holiday?

[Backtobanks]

I keep reading speculation that the Cubs are interested in Holliday and I don't get it. While I agree that he's the type of player that could catch fire for the second half of the season, he would be expensive (both in prospects and cash). Secondly, where would he play assuming Bradley and Soriano are both healthy (I know that's a dangerous assumption)? At least one of those guys will be on the bench everyday and none of them has proven they can be a productive pinch hitter.

[Sammy Sofa]

I keep reading speculation that the Cubs are interested in Holliday and I don't get it. While I agree that he's the type of player that could catch fire for the second half of the season, he would be expensive (both in prospects and cash). Secondly, where would he play assuming Bradley and Soriano are both healthy (I know that's a dangerous assumption)? At least one of those guys will be on the bench everyday and none of them has proven they can be a productive pinch hitter.

 

I don't think "catching fire" in the second half is too much of a worry considering he's been hitting quite well again for at least a month now.

[Post Count Padder]

Holliday would be nice, but he'd cost way too much.

[Arnold Layne]

Cubs would have to move Bradley, which at this point looks like a "must do".

[illiniguy]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

[dew1679666265]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

 

When I've seen the rumors, that's what would happen. Holliday in left and Soriano to 2B.

[illiniguy]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

 

When I've seen the rumors, that's what would happen. Holliday in left and Soriano to 2B.

I know Sori would be awful at 2B, but man would it help our offense.

[dew1679666265]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

 

When I've seen the rumors, that's what would happen. Holliday in left and Soriano to 2B.

I know Sori would be awful at 2B, but man would it help our offense.

 

It would definitely be fantastic for the offense. It's almost tempting to pull for it.

[chasinf5s]

I wouldnt be surprised at all if we say goodbye to Wells and a couple of others for him

 

and catching fire

 

The man has a .278 avg-.369 obp and a .813 OPS. id take that over Bradley :P

[Little Slide Rooter]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

 

When I've seen the rumors, that's what would happen. Holliday in left and Soriano to 2B.

I know Sori would be awful at 2B, but man would it help our offense.

 

It would definitely be fantastic for the offense. It's almost tempting to pull for it.

 

I am seriously warming up to the idea, but IMHO, the only way wed be able to land Holliday without giving up Vitters would be to get Shark to waive that pesky NTC of his, which I think is a possibility.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

 

When I've seen the rumors, that's what would happen. Holliday in left and Soriano to 2B.

I know Sori would be awful at 2B, but man would it help our offense.

 

It would definitely be fantastic for the offense. It's almost tempting to pull for it.

 

I am seriously warming up to the idea, but IMHO, the only way wed be able to land Holliday without giving up Vitters would be to get Shark to waive that pesky NTC of his, which I think is a possibility.

 

Why do you think it's possible? Everything I've run across suggests strongly that he would not waive his NTC. Just curious...

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

Why do you think it's possible? Everything I've run across suggests strongly that he would not waive his NTC. Just curious...

 

I just think that on a team like Oakland or San Diego hed be more likely to crack the rotation, maybe even this year. With us, hed maybe get a September call and next year be fighting for a rotation spot.

[dew1679666265]

 

Why do you think it's possible? Everything I've run across suggests strongly that he would not waive his NTC. Just curious...

 

I just think that on a team like Oakland or San Diego hed be more likely to crack the rotation, maybe even this year. With us, hed maybe get a September call and next year be fighting for a rotation spot.

 

He would be more likely to see the majors sooner with another team, but I don't think there's much of a chance at all that he'll waive the NTC.

 

From everything he's said, he's pretty determined to player near home and that overrides everything else.

[Backtobanks]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

 

When I've seen the rumors, that's what would happen. Holliday in left and Soriano to 2B.

I know Sori would be awful at 2B, but man would it help our offense.

 

 

I posted in another discussion that putting Fox at 3B might not be any worse than Soriano at 2B defensively. While I agree that Fox isn't a ML 3B, Soriano has proven that he's not a ML 2B. In any case, using Fox wouldn't cost us the prospects that trading for Holliday would.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

 

When I've seen the rumors, that's what would happen. Holliday in left and Soriano to 2B.

I know Sori would be awful at 2B, but man would it help our offense.

 

 

I posted in another discussion that putting Fox at 3B might not be any worse than Soriano at 2B defensively. While I agree that Fox isn't a ML 3B, Soriano has proven that he's not a ML 2B. In any case, using Fox wouldn't cost us the prospects that trading for Holliday would.

 

At least Soriano has played 2B at a major league level. From everything Ive heard, Fox at 3rd would be just as bad as William Perry there.

[dew1679666265]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

 

When I've seen the rumors, that's what would happen. Holliday in left and Soriano to 2B.

I know Sori would be awful at 2B, but man would it help our offense.

 

 

I posted in another discussion that putting Fox at 3B might not be any worse than Soriano at 2B defensively. While I agree that Fox isn't a ML 3B, Soriano has proven that he's not a ML 2B. In any case, using Fox wouldn't cost us the prospects that trading for Holliday would.

 

We know Soriano can hit major league pitching very well. We don't know that about Fox.

 

When you're talking about assured awful defense, it helps greatly to be certain the player will also give you very good offense. And even then, I don't think I support the acquire Holliday/move Sori to second idea.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I know Ive heard various radio chatter of moving Soriano to 2B to get more playing time for Hoffpauir or Fox, but has there been any talk or rumors of the Cubs going after Holliday outside of this board because Ive heard nothing.

[Backtobanks]

I know Ive heard various radio chatter of moving Soriano to 2B to get more playing time for Hoffpauir or Fox, but has there been any talk or rumors of the Cubs going after Holliday outside of this board because Ive heard nothing.

 

FWIW, the baseball rumor sites mention the Cubs as one of the teams looking at Holliday.

[Backtobanks]

Or we are going to go ahead with the Sori to 2B thing.

 

When I've seen the rumors, that's what would happen. Holliday in left and Soriano to 2B.

I know Sori would be awful at 2B, but man would it help our offense.

 

 

I posted in another discussion that putting Fox at 3B might not be any worse than Soriano at 2B defensively. While I agree that Fox isn't a ML 3B, Soriano has proven that he's not a ML 2B. In any case, using Fox wouldn't cost us the prospects that trading for Holliday would.

 

At least Soriano has played 2B at a major league level. From everything Ive heard, Fox at 3rd would be just as bad as William Perry there.

 

 

I would hate to see Fox play 3B regularly, but it might be worth it not to give up any top prospects for Holiday and to watch Soriano play 2B. When we're talking bad defense, don't forget that a 2B gets about 70% more total chances than a 3B. If we can get Holliday without giving up top prospects, then I might be okay with it.

[dew1679666265]

I would hate to see Fox play 3B regularly, but it might be worth it not to give up any top prospects for Holiday and to watch Soriano play 2B. When we're talking bad defense, don't forget that a 2B gets about 70% more total chances than a 3B. If we can get Holliday without giving up top prospects, then I might be okay with it.

 

But there's no guarantee Fox can hit. When you're looking at defense that bad, it's especially hard not having any idea whether the kid can hit major league pitching or not.

 

Soriano and Holliday will (should) both produce offensively at a high rate to at least partially offset the terrible defense. We don't know that about Fox.

[Backtobanks]

I would hate to see Fox play 3B regularly, but it might be worth it not to give up any top prospects for Holiday and to watch Soriano play 2B. When we're talking bad defense, don't forget that a 2B gets about 70% more total chances than a 3B. If we can get Holliday without giving up top prospects, then I might be okay with it.

 

But there's no guarantee Fox can hit. When you're looking at defense that bad, it's especially hard not having any idea whether the kid can hit major league pitching or not.

 

Soriano and Holliday will (should) both produce offensively at a high rate to at least partially offset the terrible defense. We don't know that about Fox.

 

But we won't know unless Fox is given a chance. I agree that Holliday should

produce, but he didn't produce anything earlier this season (he seems to be coming out of it now). I guess my point revolves around the cost of acquiring Holliday. If we can get him for fringe prospects, then I would be okay.

[Sammy Sofa]

Holliday should be able to be had for relatively cheap since he's likely a rental. I doubt he can be traded for with only fringe players, but I doubt it would have to be a huge deal.

 

Who is DHing for the A's these days? Maybe Fox can be part of such a deal. Fox and Patton? Fox and Marshall?

 

Mind you, I'm horrible at putting together trades. I seem to always way overpay or underpay in my hypotheticals.

Edited June 4, 2009 by Sammy Sofa

[dew1679666265]

I would hate to see Fox play 3B regularly, but it might be worth it not to give up any top prospects for Holiday and to watch Soriano play 2B. When we're talking bad defense, don't forget that a 2B gets about 70% more total chances than a 3B. If we can get Holliday without giving up top prospects, then I might be okay with it.

 

But there's no guarantee Fox can hit. When you're looking at defense that bad, it's especially hard not having any idea whether the kid can hit major league pitching or not.

 

Soriano and Holliday will (should) both produce offensively at a high rate to at least partially offset the terrible defense. We don't know that about Fox.

 

But we won't know unless Fox is given a chance. I agree that Holliday should

produce, but he didn't produce anything earlier this season (he seems to be coming out of it now). I guess my point revolves around the cost of acquiring Holliday. If we can get him for fringe prospects, then I would be okay.

 

All we know for sure about Fox is he can't play defense. On a team struggling to win ballgames, it's not a very good idea to put a guy whose only certainty is that he will allow more baserunners than normal. If we were going well and the rest of the team were performing, we could afford to find out whether or not he can hit at all. Right now, though, it's too costly.

 

And I agree that Holliday would likely be too expensive, especially since the result of his acquisition would be Soriano to second. But Holliday is only 29, so there's likely to be 3-4 more good years of production, if we can find the room to re-sign him.

[dew1679666265]

Holliday should be able to be had for relatively cheap since he's likely a rental. I doubt he can be traded for with only fringe players, but I doubt it would have to be a huge deal.

 

Who is DLing for the A's these days? Maybe Fox can be part of such a deal. Fox and Patton? Fox and Marshall?

 

Mind you, I'm horrible at putting together trades. I seem to always way overpay or underpay in my hypotheticals.

 

I think you mean DHing and that would be Jack Cust. He's 33, but showing no real signs of slowing down offensively. Though he's had some nagging back (I think) troubles this year.

 

Fox could be part of a deal, though, if Beane thinks Cust's back issues that have forced him to the DH role are temporary.

[Sammy Sofa]

Holliday should be able to be had for relatively cheap since he's likely a rental. I doubt he can be traded for with only fringe players, but I doubt it would have to be a huge deal.

 

Who is DLing for the A's these days? Maybe Fox can be part of such a deal. Fox and Patton? Fox and Marshall?

 

Mind you, I'm horrible at putting together trades. I seem to always way overpay or underpay in my hypotheticals.

 

I think you mean DHing and that would be Jack Cust. He's 33, but showing no real signs of slowing down offensively. Though he's had some nagging back (I think) troubles this year.

 

Fox could be part of a deal, though, if Beane thinks Cust's back issues that have forced him to the DH role are temporary.

 

Whoops. I did indeed mean DH.