Holler @ you later, Kevin Gregg

[fivepercent]

Soto has been terrible with the bat and throwing runners out, but he hasnt been letting balls pass the whole year.

[MADD_DOG_31]

Yes, the pitch was in a terrible location, but if you give major league teams extra outs it burns you more often than not

 

Soto has to block that pitch 100 times out of 100, he got lazy on it plain and simple....If he blocks it, we win

 

Never mind Marmol and his idiocy in the 8th and Theriot starting the 8th with a routine throw in the dirt.....the pitch was bad, but Kevin Gregg did not cost us this game

 

umm, when you give up a game tying home run with 2 outs in the 9th to a terrible hitter on literally the only pitch he can handle, then yea, it's your fault as much as anybody's

 

Umm, if Mr. Overweight blocks strike 3, Franceour doesn't even get an AB, much less with a guy on base

[Guest]

Out of curiosity, how many other major league baseball teams have a SS playing 2nd base and a 2b playing SS all at the same time?

[MADD_DOG_31]

Soto has been terrible with the bat and throwing runners out, but he hasnt been letting balls pass the whole year.

 

He hasn't too much, but got lazy and wasn't even in position to block that pitch..... and he called it so its not like he didn't know it was coming

 

Lots of fingers to point in this game I guess....just a frustrating loss

[MADD_DOG_31]

Out of curiosity, how many other major league baseball teams have a SS playing 2nd base and a 2b playing SS all at the same time?

 

None.....and that Theriot routine play he threw in the dirt was also a big one in gettin the Braves going

[17 Seconds]

Yes, the pitch was in a terrible location, but if you give major league teams extra outs it burns you more often than not

 

Soto has to block that pitch 100 times out of 100, he got lazy on it plain and simple....If he blocks it, we win

 

Never mind Marmol and his idiocy in the 8th and Theriot starting the 8th with a routine throw in the dirt.....the pitch was bad, but Kevin Gregg did not cost us this game

 

umm, when you give up a game tying home run with 2 outs in the 9th to a terrible hitter on literally the only pitch he can handle, then yea, it's your fault as much as anybody's

 

Umm, if Mr. Overweight blocks strike 3, Franceour doesn't even get an AB, much less with a guy on base

 

i never said soto wasn't to blame, but to act like it's not at all gregg's fault is ridiculous. there's no reason that any decent reliever shouldn't have been able to retire a terrible hitter, or at least not serve up a meatball to him to go yard.

 

seriously, jeff franceour is a terrible player.

[chasinf5s]

Yes, the pitch was in a terrible location, but if you give major league teams extra outs it burns you more often than not

 

Soto has to block that pitch 100 times out of 100, he got lazy on it plain and simple....If he blocks it, we win

 

Never mind Marmol and his idiocy in the 8th and Theriot starting the 8th with a routine throw in the dirt.....the pitch was bad, but Kevin Gregg did not cost us this game

 

umm, when you give up a game tying home run with 2 outs in the 9th to a terrible hitter on literally the only pitch he can handle, then yea, it's your fault as much as anybody's

 

Umm, if Mr. Overweight blocks strike 3, Franceour doesn't even get an AB, much less with a guy on base

 

i never said soto wasn't to blame, but to act like it's not at all gregg's fault is ridiculous. there's no reason that any decent reliever shouldn't have been able to retire a terrible hitter, or at least not serve up a meatball to him to go yard.

 

seriously, jeff franceour is a terrible player.

 

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"

[17 Seconds]

did he really say that?

[chasinf5s]

did he really say that?

 

ha yes

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=4136793

 

For Atlanta outfielder Jeff Francoeur, the search for a more disciplined approach is elusive and the source of occasional torment. Francoeur began this season with loose goals of 80 strikeouts and 50 to 60 walks. But he's always been an aggressive player, and he's wary of becoming too passive in the quest for a higher OBP.

 

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" Francoeur says.

[Three Finger]

did he really say that?

 

ha yes

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=4136793

 

For Atlanta outfielder Jeff Francoeur, the search for a more disciplined approach is elusive and the source of occasional torment. Francoeur began this season with loose goals of 80 strikeouts and 50 to 60 walks. But he's always been an aggressive player, and he's wary of becoming too passive in the quest for a higher OBP.

 

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" Francoeur says.

 

Perhaps I'm misguided, but if you ask me .OBP is second only to team wins as far as important statistics go.

[Cubbie Swagger]

I remember watching Ozzie Guillen say, "I don't believe in on-base percentage, I believe in runs scored" :-))

 

RBI's get put up on the scoreboard, but they are a useless stat. OBP is pretty much the most important.

[17 Seconds]

and then frenchy wonders why he sucks so bad

[Schwarber Fan]

did he really say that?

 

ha yes

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=4136793

 

For Atlanta outfielder Jeff Francoeur, the search for a more disciplined approach is elusive and the source of occasional torment. Francoeur began this season with loose goals of 80 strikeouts and 50 to 60 walks. But he's always been an aggressive player, and he's wary of becoming too passive in the quest for a higher OBP.

 

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" Francoeur says.

 

and the obligatory...

 

http://img2.travelblog.org/Photos/8143/26889/f/959305-Atlanta-Braves-Scoreboard-0.jpg

[Tracer Bullet]

Yes, the pitch was in a terrible location, but if you give major league teams extra outs it burns you more often than not

 

Soto has to block that pitch 100 times out of 100, he got lazy on it plain and simple....If he blocks it, we win

 

Never mind Marmol and his idiocy in the 8th and Theriot starting the 8th with a routine throw in the dirt.....the pitch was bad, but Kevin Gregg did not cost us this game

 

umm, when you give up a game tying home run with 2 outs in the 9th to a terrible hitter on literally the only pitch he can handle, then yea, it's your fault as much as anybody's

 

Honest question: who called for Gregg to throw "the only pitch [Franco] can handle" - dugout, Soto, Gregg?

[Banedon]

"This is a glitch in the system," Gregg said. "We're not going to be perfect all year. We're all going to be in a lot of games. Unfortunately, there were five runs given up in the eighth and ninth innings combined.

 

"It's unacceptable, but we're going to roll with it. It's one of those things that happens now and then, but on the whole, look at the way the group has pitched down there. "

[Little Slide Rooter]

Mike Wuertz 2.59 ERA/0.945 WHIP

Luis Vizcaino 2,25 ERA/1.256 WHIP

 

David Patton 6.46 ERA/1.76 WHIP

Aaron Heilman 5.09 ERA/1.35 WHIP

[chasinf5s]

Gregg took responsibility for the loss but dismissed the idea the bullpen is still a work in progress.

 

Not at all,'' Gregg said of a group whose ERA jumped to 4.82 -- with only Colorado and Washington worse in the National League. ''This is a glitch on the system. We're not going to be perfect all year. [Tuesday was] unacceptable. But we're going to roll with it. It's one of those things that happens every now and again. But on the whole you look at the way that group has pitched down there, it's been pretty darn good. I like the guys we have down there. I'll take our chances with them.''

 

Oh what a moron this one is

 

Pretty darn good and being the 3rd worst in the national league is not pretty darn good you idiot

[SouthSideRyan]

Yes, the pitch was in a terrible location, but if you give major league teams extra outs it burns you more often than not

 

Soto has to block that pitch 100 times out of 100, he got lazy on it plain and simple....If he blocks it, we win

 

Never mind Marmol and his idiocy in the 8th and Theriot starting the 8th with a routine throw in the dirt.....the pitch was bad, but Kevin Gregg did not cost us this game

 

Any time you give up a HR to one of the worst players in baseball, you cost us the game.

[Shilzzz]

:D

[Cubbie Swagger]

Mike Wuertz 2.59 ERA/0.945 WHIP

Luis Vizcaino 2,25 ERA/1.256 WHIP

 

David Patton 6.46 ERA/1.76 WHIP

Aaron Heilman 5.09 ERA/1.35 WHIP

'Nuff said. We seem to have trouble identifying which relievers can pitch, and which can't. We give away solid bullpen arms routinely, and we usually get absolutely nothing for them. Then we sit around and cry about having a crappy bullpen.

 

Imagine where we'd be if our bullpen consisted of guys like Marmol, Wuertz, Juan Cruz, David Weathers, Scott Eyre, etc. The list goes on and on. I'm not even gonna complain about Kerry Wood, because we've given away some good pitchers (who were not expensive) as if they were charity donations.

 

EDIT: And not to mention the fact that for YEARS our front office and manager thought that Neal Cotts was better than those guys, despite there being ZERO statistical evidence to support it.

[Guest]

Yes, the pitch was in a terrible location, but if you give major league teams extra outs it burns you more often than not

 

Soto has to block that pitch 100 times out of 100, he got lazy on it plain and simple....If he blocks it, we win

That wasn't Soto's fault. You can be upset with his offensive output, but don't let it color your judgment about other things.

 

Kevin Gregg blows.

[Gingerballs Lives]

Mike Wuertz 2.59 ERA/0.945 WHIP

Luis Vizcaino 2,25 ERA/1.256 WHIP

 

David Patton 6.46 ERA/1.76 WHIP

Aaron Heilman 5.09 ERA/1.35 WHIP

'Nuff said. We seem to have trouble identifying which relievers can pitch, and which can't. We give away solid bullpen arms routinely, and we usually get absolutely nothing for them. Then we sit around and cry about having a crappy bullpen.

 

Imagine where we'd be if our bullpen consisted of guys like Marmol, Wuertz, Juan Cruz, David Weathers, Scott Eyre, etc. The list goes on and on. I'm not even gonna complain about Kerry Wood, because we've given away some good pitchers (who were not expensive) as if they were charity donations.

 

EDIT: And not to mention the fact that for YEARS our front office and manager thought that Neal Cotts was better than those guys, despite there being ZERO statistical evidence to support it.

 

Agreed. I've gone back and forth on what decision made over the offseason was the worst (and let's be honest, they all were pretty much terrible), but I have to say the flurry of bullpen moves was absolutely awful and are hurting this team more than anything else.

 

What a spectacular, soul-crushing failure by the Cubs front office.