Minor League Discussion & Boxes 4-29-2009

[Outshined_One]

Box Scores

 

Iowa with an off day.

 

Tennessee won 8-4 Box Score

 

SS D. Barney 3/5, 2 RBI, K, E (6, fielding)

LF T. Wright 1/4, BB, R, RBI, HR (2)

CF B. Guyer 2/4, 2 R, 2B (4)

C S. Clevenger 0/2, BB, 2 R, RBI

PH T. Thomas 0/0, BB, R

SP J. Jackson 7+ IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 4/3 K/BB, 7-10 GO-FO

RP J. Gaub .2 IP, 1 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 1/2 K/BB, 0-1 GO-FO

RP B. Schlitter .1 perfect, 1-0 GO-FO

 

Daytona lost 5-2 Box Score

 

CF M. Gonzalez 2/4, R, 2 RBI, HR (1), E (3, fielding)

DH T. Colvin 0/4

3B J. Rosa 1/4, 2 K

1B R. Canzler 1/4, 3B (1), 2 K

2B M. Smith 0/3

RF D. Johnston 0/3, 2 K

SS S. Castro 0/3, E (5, fielding)

SP R. Dolis 3.2 IP, 1 H, 3 ER, 2/6 K/BB, HR, 3-5 GO-FO

RP J. Muyco 2 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 2/2 K/BB, 3-1 GO-FO

 

Peoria won 9-0 Box Score

 

3B J. Harrison 2/3, BB, R, RBI, 2B (4), SB (5), E (4, throw)

1B R. Ridling 1/5, R, 2 RBI, 2B (8)

LF K. Burke 2/5, R, 2 RBI, 2B (7), HR (2), 2 K

DH J. Vitters 2/5, R, 2B (2), K

2B R. Flaherty 0/5, K

C M. Brenly 1/3, RBI

RF N. Perez 1/4, Assist (3B)

SS J. Lake 1/4, R, 2B (5), K

SP A. Cabrera 6 scoreless, 4 H, 2/2 K/BB, 11-4 GO-FO

 

OVERALL: 2-1

[Outshined_One]

For those of you interested, KC uber-prospect 1B Eric Hosmer plays for Burlington. He has been struggling this season, so hopefully he keeps that up for the near future.

[Little Slide Rooter]

How come we never have any uber-prospects.

[SouthSideRyan]

How come we never have any uber-prospects.

 

Because Truffle says they're all terrible.

[fromthestretch]

How come we never have any uber-prospects.

 

Because you touch yourself at night.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I kid, I kid.

[Guest]

Probable Starters

 

Tennessee: RHP Jay Jackson (0-3, 9.45 ERA, 13.1 IP, 12 K/7 BB)

Daytona: RHP Rafael Dolis (0-2, 3.46 ERA, 13 IP, 11 K/5 BB)

Peoria: RHP Alberto Cabrera (0-1, 8.31 ERA, 8.2 IP, 5 K/8 BB)

[Guest]

How come we never have any uber-prospects.

 

If Hosmer is an uber prospect, Vitters is one too.

[Guest]

How come we never have any uber-prospects.

How soon we forget 2003.

[TruffleShuffle]

How come we never have any uber-prospects.

 

Because Truffle says they're all terrible.

 

i'd define an uber-prospect as one of the top 10 or 12 prospects in the game, and i don't think anyone who isn't a huge cubs homer or a family member of josh vitters would say that the cubs have a prospect who is that good.

[Guest]

Hosmer isn't a top 10 or 12 prospect in all of baseball.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hosmer isn't a top 10 or 12 prospect in all of baseball.

 

correct! glad to see we're all on the same page here.

[Little Slide Rooter]

How come we never have any uber-prospects.

How soon we forget 2003.

 

To be honest, I never really followed the minors very closely until about 2005ish. I remember hearing about guys like Corey Patterson, Mark Prior, and Carlos Zambrano on the radio before they came to be, but I didnt know much about a prospect until they were major league ready.

 

Since then the prospects I remember getting kind of psyched about

Angel Guzman, Ricky Nolasco, Felix Pie, Eric Patterson, Rich Hill, and Ronny Cedeno, and these guys havnt exactly panned out. The only Cubs prospects since Ive been following that really panned out was Geovany, and he didnt even get it going until 2007. Even Theriot and Marmols minor league numbers never really jumped out at me, although I do remember them being pretty decent.

[Guest]

Hosmer isn't a top 10 or 12 prospect in all of baseball.

 

correct! glad to see we're all on the same page here.

 

It comes down to people's definition of "uber," apparently.

[Guest]

Jackson finally getting going - 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 3 K.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Hosmer isn't a top 10 or 12 prospect in all of baseball.

 

correct! glad to see we're all on the same page here.

 

It comes down to people's definition of "uber," apparently.

 

Ultimate. Best of the best. The bees knees. We really dont have that going on on the farm. We'll see what the future holds for younf Josh.

[Guest]

How come we never have any uber-prospects.

How soon we forget 2003.

 

To be honest, I never really followed the minors very closely until about 2005ish. I remember hearing about guys like Corey Patterson, Mark Prior, and Carlos Zambrano on the radio before they came to be, but I didnt know much about a prospect until they were major league ready.

 

Since then the prospects I remember getting kind of psyched about

Angel Guzman, Ricky Nolasco, Felix Pie, Eric Patterson, Rich Hill, and Ronny Cedeno, and these guys havnt exactly panned out. The only Cubs prospects since Ive been following that really panned out was Geovany, and he didnt even get it going until 2007. Even Theriot and Marmols minor league numbers never really jumped out at me, although I do remember them being pretty decent.

 

Wood (1996-98), Patterson (2000-01), Prior (2002) and Cruz before age-gate (2002) were all top 10-15 prospects.

[Guest]

Jay Jackson just hit a solo HR.

[Guest]

Now 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 3 K for Jay Jackson on only 67 pitches.

 

Ty Wright just homered too.

[jersey cubs fan]

How come we never have any uber-prospects.

How soon we forget 2003.

 

To be honest, I never really followed the minors very closely until about 2005ish. I remember hearing about guys like Corey Patterson, Mark Prior, and Carlos Zambrano on the radio before they came to be, but I didnt know much about a prospect until they were major league ready.

 

Since then the prospects I remember getting kind of psyched about

Angel Guzman, Ricky Nolasco, Felix Pie, Eric Patterson, Rich Hill, and Ronny Cedeno, and these guys havnt exactly panned out. The only Cubs prospects since Ive been following that really panned out was Geovany, and he didnt even get it going until 2007. Even Theriot and Marmols minor league numbers never really jumped out at me, although I do remember them being pretty decent.

 

Wood (1996-98), Patterson (2000-01), Prior (2002) and Cruz before age-gate (2002) were all top 10-15 prospects.

 

Patterson was never an uber-prospect though. He really only received commendations from the tools droolers, because he never put up any impressive numbers at any higher level. His flaws were pointed out early and often.

[TruffleShuffle]

Patterson was never an uber-prospect though. He really only received commendations from the tools droolers, because he never put up any impressive numbers at any higher level. His flaws were pointed out early and often.

 

jason heyward is basically in the same boat, a guy with great tools who put up big numbers at low-a ball. just because patterson had a major flaw (plate discipline) doesn't mean he wasn't an uber-prospect. that's a skill that some big-time prospects (jay bruce, cameron maybin) don't possess initially.

[Guest]

7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K on 75 pitches for Jay.

[jersey cubs fan]

Patterson was never an uber-prospect though. He really only received commendations from the tools droolers, because he never put up any impressive numbers at any higher level. His flaws were pointed out early and often.

 

jason heyward is basically in the same boat, a guy with great tools who put up big numbers at low-a ball. just because patterson had a major flaw (plate discipline) doesn't mean he wasn't an uber-prospect. that's a skill that some big-time prospects (jay bruce, cameron maybin) don't possess initially.

 

I don't know, I think guys who are uber-prospects are guys who get raves from tools people but also produce tremendous numbers in high A/AA levels. He may have been ranked high by Baseball America, but there were plenty of people who were downgrading him quite early. I believe it was Rob Neyer who was always expressing doubts that Patterson would ever amount to anything.

[Outshined_One]

Hosmer isn't a top 10 or 12 prospect in all of baseball.

 

correct! glad to see we're all on the same page here.

 

It comes down to people's definition of "uber," apparently.

 

Anyone graded as an A- or better is mine, so roughly the Top 15-20 prospects in baseball. I think you can make an argument for having Hosmer that high. I know the guy's struggled since being drafted, but I love the guy's skill set.

[Outshined_One]

7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K on 75 pitches for Jay.

 

After pitching to 2 batters in the 8th and not getting either out, tack a walk and a hit onto that line and you can close the book on him.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hosmer isn't a top 10 or 12 prospect in all of baseball.

 

correct! glad to see we're all on the same page here.

 

It comes down to people's definition of "uber," apparently.

 

Anyone graded as an A- or better is mine, so roughly the Top 15-20 prospects in baseball. I think you can make an argument for having Hosmer that high. I know the guy's struggled since being drafted, but I love the guy's skill set.

 

In whose rankings though? Aren't some publications likely to favor one type of guy over another?