Milton Bradley Suspended 2 Games (Appealing Suspension)

[Keener98]

fwiw, the third strike clipped the zone according to gameday. it's hard to bitch at the umpire on a pitch like that.

 

who cares if hes out two games. he's hurt as it is.

 

 

Gamedays wrong

Agreed. The screenshot below was from a couple innings later, and it was on a call that no one thought twice about. I've never compared gameday to live pitching, since I only watch it when live pitching isn't an option, but I can't imagine it's a very reliable source for such a thing.

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/cubbybear314/Screen%20caps/nicecallsmall.jpg

 

 

Yea its basically like that "K zone" thing they use on ESPN. I wouldnt trust that thing at all

[Mephistopheles]

Watching on TV is no better when you're talking about clipping the corner or not, unless they give you an overhead shot. The pitchers camera is way off centered. Pitches that clip the inside corner (for a LH) look a lot further off the plate than they really are. Pitches that clip the inside corner (for a RH) look like they're down the middle. My point is the pitch was a lot closer than any of you are willing to admit. It's a call that can go either way. It just did not go our way.

 

Fans of every team say "the bad calls always go against us". Don't play that card.

[Keener98]

Watching on TV is no better when you're talking about clipping the corner or not, unless they give you an overhead shot. The pitchers camera is way off centered. Pitches that clip the inside corner (for a LH) look a lot further off the plate than they really are. Pitches that clip the inside corner (for a RH) look like they're down the middle. My point is the pitch was a lot closer than any of you are willing to admit. It's a call that can go either way. It just did not go our way.

 

Fans of every team say "the bad calls always go against us". Don't play that card.

 

Well Ill go with what DLee said also, when a pitcher is as wild as Wainwright had been, the pitcher almost never gets the benefit of the doubt, and in that situation he did. Ill trust Bradleys eye alot more than some gameday zone or whatever.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well Ill go with what DLee said also, when a pitcher is as wild as Wainwright had been, the pitcher almost never gets the benefit of the doubt, and in that situation he did. Ill trust Bradleys eye alot more than some gameday zone or whatever.

 

 

Your decision on who/what to trust is irrational and wrong.

[Schwarber Fan]

Whatever, should just drop the appeal and take the 2 days to get back to 100%.

[Wilson A2000]

Whatever, should just drop the appeal and take the 2 days to get back to 100%.

 

Exactly, but I don't think the Cubs will.

[Keener98]

Well Ill go with what DLee said also, when a pitcher is as wild as Wainwright had been, the pitcher almost never gets the benefit of the doubt, and in that situation he did. Ill trust Bradleys eye alot more than some gameday zone or whatever.

 

 

Your decision on who/what to trust is irrational and wrong.

 

 

Why because you say so? Sorry I dont think you are right about everything like you do, Ill believe and trust who I want, not who KyleJRM says I should.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You have the choice between an impartial human being, an impartial computer system and a person with a strongly vested interest in believing the pitch was a ball.

 

You chose to believe the person whose biases matched up with your own.

[Keener98]

You have the choice between an impartial human being, an impartial computer system and a person with a strongly vested interest in believing the pitch was a ball.

 

You chose to believe the person whose biases matched up with your own.

 

 

That computer system is a joke, they cant be 100% accurate either. Hell look at the NFL line for a 1st down that is done by a computer system, they always say its not 100% accurate. Why do you think its 100% accuate with a little baseball going 75-95 MPH across a little plate? And I dont completely agree with the "impartial" part of the human being either. Do you honestly think umpires have Bradley on the same level of respect that say, Derek Jeter? Hes not going to get the benefit of the doubt with the umpires.

[Guest]

You have the choice between an impartial human being, an impartial computer system and a person with a strongly vested interest in believing the pitch was a ball.

 

You chose to believe the person whose biases matched up with your own.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but gameday is not a site to source to bolster one's argument.

 

I didn't see it but even if I did the camera angle alone makes it really hard to tell where the ball was.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Honestly, it really doesnt matter. Either hes suspended for 2 games now when hes not 100% healthy and not quite productive or they win an appeal and hes suspended for 1 game down the road on a day where hed be rested anyway.

 

Its sridiculous technicality anyway, and until the playrs union bands together against it, things like that will continue. The umps have too much power, and the players can squash it anytime they want to if they're willing to strike.

[TruffleShuffle]

You have the choice between an impartial human being, an impartial computer system and a person with a strongly vested interest in believing the pitch was a ball.

 

You chose to believe the person whose biases matched up with your own.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but gameday is not a site to source to bolster one's argument.

 

I didn't see it but even if I did the camera angle alone makes it really hard to tell where the ball was.

 

gameday is basically worthless. it shows balls in the strike zone that miss by a foot and a half.

[Keener98]

You have the choice between an impartial human being, an impartial computer system and a person with a strongly vested interest in believing the pitch was a ball.

 

You chose to believe the person whose biases matched up with your own.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but gameday is not a site to source to bolster one's argument.

 

I didn't see it but even if I did the camera angle alone makes it really hard to tell where the ball was.

 

gameday is basically worthless. it shows balls in the strike zone that miss by a foot and a half.

 

But its an impartial computer how can you argue with that?

[chuckywang]

Why would you appeal the suspension if he's not going to be playing today? Just get the 2 games over with if he's gonna be sitting anyways.

[woodchip2153]

You have the choice between an impartial human being, an impartial computer system and a person with a strongly vested interest in believing the pitch was a ball.

 

You chose to believe the person whose biases matched up with your own.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but gameday is not a site to source to bolster one's argument.

 

I didn't see it but even if I did the camera angle alone makes it really hard to tell where the ball was.

 

gameday is basically worthless. it shows balls in the strike zone that miss by a foot and a half.

 

But its an impartial computer how can you argue with that?

 

actually gameday uses pitchf/x and is incredibly accurate, now if you look at the pitchf/x data it would probably show that umpires almost never call that pitch a strike.

[TruffleShuffle]

You have the choice between an impartial human being, an impartial computer system and a person with a strongly vested interest in believing the pitch was a ball.

 

You chose to believe the person whose biases matched up with your own.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but gameday is not a site to source to bolster one's argument.

 

I didn't see it but even if I did the camera angle alone makes it really hard to tell where the ball was.

 

gameday is basically worthless. it shows balls in the strike zone that miss by a foot and a half.

 

But its an impartial computer how can you argue with that?

 

actually gameday uses pitchf/x and is incredibly accurate, now if you look at the pitchf/x data it would probably show that umpires almost never call that pitch a strike.

 

i don't know what to tell you. i've been watching games and seen gameday take a ball that was 2 inches off the ground and put it in the middle of the strike zone.

[woodchip2153]

actually gameday uses pitchf/x and is incredibly accurate, now if you look at the pitchf/x data it would probably show that umpires almost never call that pitch a strike.

 

i don't know what to tell you. i've been watching games and seen gameday take a ball that was 2 inches off the ground and put it in the middle of the strike zone.

 

I'm guessing that was the old system and not this year or last.

[TruffleShuffle]

actually gameday uses pitchf/x and is incredibly accurate, now if you look at the pitchf/x data it would probably show that umpires almost never call that pitch a strike.

 

i don't know what to tell you. i've been watching games and seen gameday take a ball that was 2 inches off the ground and put it in the middle of the strike zone.

 

I'm guessing that was the old system and not this year or last.

 

it was less than a week ago.

[woodchip2153]

actually gameday uses pitchf/x and is incredibly accurate, now if you look at the pitchf/x data it would probably show that umpires almost never call that pitch a strike.

 

i don't know what to tell you. i've been watching games and seen gameday take a ball that was 2 inches off the ground and put it in the middle of the strike zone.

 

I'm guessing that was the old system and not this year or last.

 

it was less than a week ago.

 

I don't know then. Everything I've read and seen has it being incredibly accurate.

[Mephistopheles]

It's accurate enough.

[Keener98]

It's accurate enough.

 

Wrong again

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i don't know what to tell you. i've been watching games and seen gameday take a ball that was 2 inches off the ground and put it in the middle of the strike zone.

 

That should tell you how badly watching on TV skews the angles.

[Mephistopheles]

Just because you say it is true doesn't make it true. Pitch f/x is highly accurate in terms of the location of the ball at any given point. It's infinitely more accurate than watch a replay from behind the pitcher. From an overhead shot, maybe not. There's no debate to be had here. It's common sense.

[Mephistopheles]

i don't know what to tell you. i've been watching games and seen gameday take a ball that was 2 inches off the ground and put it in the middle of the strike zone.

 

That should tell you how badly watching on TV skews the angles.

 

Exactly. The camera at wrigley is what 20 feet in the air and 20 feet to the right of the pitcher? pitches are naturally going to look lower than they are and pitches are going to look more outside than they are. It's sheer physics.

[blake61]

If you touch the umpire, you've gotta go as far as I'm concerned. Incidental or not.

if the bill of your cap touches the bill of the umps cap?

 

Yes. You can't touch the ump. It's really a simple, hard and fast, reasonable rule.

 

he didn't touch the umpire. the bill of the cap that he was wearing touched the bill of the cap that the umpire was wearing.

 

Almost never post, but this just really bothered me. In the context of a baseball game, the player's clothing is an extension of that player.

That's why when a pitched ball catches the player's shirt(or the bill of the helmet), that player is still awarded the base. It's an HIB because the clothing is part of his body. Same reason you can tag a player out by grazing his shirt(or for that matter the bill of his hat). See Rule 5.09.

(And in case there's anyone out there not following, during a game, the Ump's cap is also part of his body by extension of this rule.)

 

So in the context of a baseball game, Bradley made contact with the ump. It's really that simple

I figured someone with over 30,000 posts would have watched enough baseball to know that rule, but you know what they say when you make an assumption.

 

As to this thread in general, there really can't be any doubt that the ump made that call because it was MB up there. Its just common sense.

If course whenever there's a player up to bat that has had as many problems with umps before (such as MB), the umps are clearly thinking "man if this pitch is anywhere near the zone, its a strike. This jerk player definitely needs to get screwed."

 

It would be foolish to think otherwise, its not like their reputation (and ultimately career) hinges on their impartiality.

 

And it is unbelievably easy to call balls and strikes at the major league level, how dare am umpire ever make a bad call.

Milton should have reacted the way he did, how else would we know that he 1. cares about winning, 2. is mad, 3. is a man, 4. is tough, and 5. that the ump got it wrong.

 

End Rant/

Edited April 18, 2009 by blake61