2008-09 NBA Playoffs

[illiniguy]

No ref anywhere is going to enforce the grab your own air ball rule, but I don't think I understand why a player can't rebound his own ball of the backboard.

You can grab your own shot if it just hits the backboard. Hell guys throw oops to themselves like that.

[SouthSideRyan]

No ref anywhere is going to enforce the grab your own air ball rule, but I don't think I understand why a player can't rebound his own ball of the backboard.

You can grab your own shot if it just hits the backboard. Hell guys throw oops to themselves like that.

 

I know, I was saying I don't understand why NewUserName would think that'd be illegal.

[Rusch33]

Fisher suspended for Game 3, Kobe got a Flag. One.

 

(Ron Artest wasn't hit in the throat either. - http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/clip?id=4149491&categoryid=null )

[CubbieBum]

Fisher suspended for Game 3, Kobe got a Flag. One.

 

(Ron Artest wasn't hit in the throat either. - http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/clip?id=4149491&categoryid=null )

 

Seeing it from that angle I agree with the ruling. Fisher deserved to be suspended while Kobe deserved to get a technical in the game and the refs just missed it.

 

I'm not too familiar with the flagrant rules. What does Kobe being assessed a flagrant one do? Is it like the World Cup when it comes to yellow cards; if he gets another one he is automatically suspended a game?

[Rusch33]

I believe so.

[NewUserName]

No ref anywhere is going to enforce the grab your own air ball rule, but I don't think I understand why a player can't rebound his own ball of the backboard.

You can grab your own shot if it just hits the backboard. Hell guys throw oops to themselves like that.

 

I know, I was saying I don't understand why NewUserName would think that'd be illegal.

 

OK...logically, if someone is on the wing and picked up their dribble and is well guarded, can they just toss the ball 4 feet away, run and pick it up and shoot? I am pretty sure that this is traveling. That is basically what Kobe did last night, except he used the backboard(yes it was obvious that was not shot). Again I understand that traveling calls have gotten much more liberal through the years.

 

doing a little more research on self pass instead of traveling, there is an NBA rule that says that a player cannot be the first player to touch a shot if it is an air ball, however hitting the backboard and touching first is ok. I am still pretty sure that this rule(and enforcement) has been more liberalized through the years.

[illiniguy]

No ref anywhere is going to enforce the grab your own air ball rule, but I don't think I understand why a player can't rebound his own ball of the backboard.

You can grab your own shot if it just hits the backboard. Hell guys throw oops to themselves like that.

 

I know, I was saying I don't understand why NewUserName would think that'd be illegal.

 

OK...logically, if someone is on the wing and picked up their dribble and is well guarded, can they just toss the ball 4 feet away, run and pick it up and shoot? I am pretty sure that this is traveling. That is basically what Kobe did last night, except he used the backboard(yes it was obvious that was not shot). Again I understand that traveling calls have gotten much more liberal through the years.

 

doing a little more research on self pass instead of traveling, there is an NBA rule that says that a player cannot be the first player to touch a shot if it is an air ball, however hitting the backboard and touching first is ok. I am still pretty sure that this rule(and enforcement) has been more liberalized through the years.

It's strange because the backboard negates an airball in this case, yet does not with a freethrow or a 24 second violation. I think that is where the confusion stems from.

[illiniguy]

No ref anywhere is going to enforce the grab your own air ball rule, but I don't think I understand why a player can't rebound his own ball of the backboard.

You can grab your own shot if it just hits the backboard. Hell guys throw oops to themselves like that.

 

I know, I was saying I don't understand why NewUserName would think that'd be illegal.

Gotcha, sorry

[NewUserName]

No ref anywhere is going to enforce the grab your own air ball rule, but I don't think I understand why a player can't rebound his own ball of the backboard.

You can grab your own shot if it just hits the backboard. Hell guys throw oops to themselves like that.

 

I know, I was saying I don't understand why NewUserName would think that'd be illegal.

 

OK...logically, if someone is on the wing and picked up their dribble and is well guarded, can they just toss the ball 4 feet away, run and pick it up and shoot? I am pretty sure that this is traveling. That is basically what Kobe did last night, except he used the backboard(yes it was obvious that was not shot). Again I understand that traveling calls have gotten much more liberal through the years.

 

 

 

doing a little more research on self pass instead of traveling, there is an NBA rule that says that a player cannot be the first player to touch a shot if it is an air ball, however hitting the backboard and touching first is ok. I am still pretty sure that this rule(and enforcement) has been more liberalized through the years.

It's strange because the backboard negates an airball in this case, yet does not with a freethrow or a 24 second violation. I think that is where the confusion stems from.

 

Yeah, I called a Illinois High School ref who is a friend of mine and he said what Kobe did last night would be called traveling in Illinois and thinks its pretty much a national HS standard. I knew I wasnt completely crazy.

 

Edit: friend actually said it would be double dribble...sorry.

[chuckywang]

Ron Artest has apparently seen a guy get stabbed through the heart on the basketball court:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_xmYLBnnA

[Butterscup1679666578]

Ron Artest has apparently seen a guy get stabbed through the heart on the basketball court:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_xmYLBnnA

 

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/nyregion/player-dies-in-stabbing-at-basketball-game.html

[SouthSideRyan]

Ron Artest has apparently seen a guy get stabbed through the heart on the basketball court:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_xmYLBnnA

 

And then he went on to attend Kansas and win an NBA title in 2008.

[Guest]

Ron Artest has apparently seen a guy get stabbed through the heart on the basketball court:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_xmYLBnnA

 

That entire Ron Artest press conference was amazing. That story plus his "You're elbowing the wrong person. Don't you know that I'm Ron Artest?" thing that he said he told Kobe was great.

[Guest]

Pau Gasol whines so much.

[snoodmonger]

watching yao makes me thankful I'm not that big. He's likely doomed to be in pain as an older person.

[snoodmonger]

God, the NBA gives LA special treatment.

[snoodmonger]

How is THAT play a flagrant 2, and rajon rondo purposely THROWING kirk hinrich into a scorer's table is a flagrant 1?

 

The answer?

 

Because the NBA wants teams like LA and Boston to advance. This league is such a joke.

[Guest]

The NBA should go ahead and suspend Ron Artest for the rest of the series, there's no need to keep the charade up. Completely with snood, what a joke.

[CubbieBum]

How is THAT play a flagrant 2, and rajon rondo purposely THROWING kirk hinrich into a scorer's table is a flagrant 1?

 

The answer?

 

Because the NBA wants teams like LA and Boston to advance. This league is such a joke.

 

That could be but them suspending a Laker player hardly proves it.

[Guest]

How is THAT play a flagrant 2, and rajon rondo purposely THROWING kirk hinrich into a scorer's table is a flagrant 1?

 

The answer?

 

Because the NBA wants teams like LA and Boston to advance. This league is such a joke.

 

That could be but them suspending a Laker player hardly proves it.

 

They suspended Fisher. Big whoop.

[bcl412]

How is THAT play a flagrant 2, and rajon rondo purposely THROWING kirk hinrich into a scorer's table is a flagrant 1?

 

The answer?

 

Because the NBA wants teams like LA and Boston to advance. This league is such a joke.

 

Yeah, crap like that is really making this league unwatchable. Rondo's foul was way worse than Artest's. You could make a case that Artest's was bad too but it wasn't as bad as Rondo's and he wasn't tossed. BS. I'm still mad about that.

[Guest]

How is THAT play a flagrant 2, and rajon rondo purposely THROWING kirk hinrich into a scorer's table is a flagrant 1?

 

The answer?

 

Because the NBA wants teams like LA and Boston to advance. This league is such a joke.

 

That could be but them suspending a Laker player hardly proves it.

 

They suspended Fisher. Big whoop.

 

Yeah. He's not exactly LA's most important player and they proved tonight that they can win without him.

[Mike Aller]

I have no problem with them originally calling it a flagrant 2. It looked much worse than it was in a series that has already gotten "out of control." And, let's not forget that this is Ron Artest in a game that is decided. This is prime frustration time.

 

However, all of that means nothing considering the fact that they went to the replay and upheld the call. That was absolutely ridiculous.

[Guest]

How is THAT play a flagrant 2, and rajon rondo purposely THROWING kirk hinrich into a scorer's table is a flagrant 1?

 

The answer?

 

Because the NBA wants teams like LA and Boston to advance. This league is such a joke.

 

Right when the play happened I said that it wasn't a flagrant-2 and wasn't even a flagrant-1. That's only a F-2 because it was Ron Artest. If Shane Battier does that, it might not even be a F-1. I fully expect the NBA to reduce it to a F-1 and for Artest to be able to play in Game 4.

 

It was a very, very weak call and a bad one.

 

As far as the league wanting the Lakers to advance to the finals, I'd say that could only be argued if Artest does in fact get suspended for Game 4. The play happened with 43 seconds left in the game and the Rockets down eight so it didn't have any effect on the outcome of Game 3. Rondo's play happened in the first half (I believe) so issuing a F-2 definitely affects the outcome of the game. This one was probably just as a precaution considering the outcome of the game wasn't in doubt and knowing that the NBA could overturn it later.

[snoodmonger]

How is THAT play a flagrant 2, and rajon rondo purposely THROWING kirk hinrich into a scorer's table is a flagrant 1?

 

The answer?

 

Because the NBA wants teams like LA and Boston to advance. This league is such a joke.

 

Right when the play happened I said that it wasn't a flagrant-2 and wasn't even a flagrant-1. That's only a F-2 because it was Ron Artest. If Shane Battier does that, it might not even be a F-1. I fully expect the NBA to reduce it to a F-1 and for Artest to be able to play in Game 4.

 

It was a very, very weak call and a bad one.

 

As far as the league wanting the Lakers to advance to the finals, I'd say that could only be argued if Artest does in fact get suspended for Game 4. The play happened with 43 seconds left in the game and the Rockets down eight so it didn't have any effect on the outcome of Game 3. Rondo's play happened in the first half (I believe) so issuing a F-2 definitely affects the outcome of the game. This one was probably just as a precaution considering the outcome of the game wasn't in doubt and knowing that the NBA could overturn it later.

 

The problem is, the two teams are officiated differently. Whether or not Artest is suspended for the next game, one gets the feeling the Lakers can get away with much more. Kobe is seen manhandling Battier after a play, and no action was taken. Artest commits a clean, hard foul during play, and he gets an F2. That's going to play in the minds of the Rockets (and perhaps Artest, though likely he doesn't give a [expletive].)

 

I don't really think there's a league mandate to the refs to screw the Rockets. But for whatever reason, there is a ton on inequity in the way games are called, and it's part of the reason I find the NBA so irritating. (Even though I benefited from it in the Jordan years.) And I sincerely believe in cases where the league reviews plays after games, they'll do everything they can to ensure their best players/teams remain on the court, fairness be damned.