Sheets ready by July 2009 - Will NOT play for Brewers

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Sheets needs TJS, doesn't that usually mean a year to rehab then a year of mediocrity before going back to his old self?

 

Pass.

[mul21]

If Sheets needs TJS, doesn't that usually mean a year to rehab then a year of mediocrity before going back to his old self?

 

Pass.

 

It's not TJS. It's a different ligament that's torn in the elbow. Don't remember which one.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If Sheets needs TJS, doesn't that usually mean a year to rehab then a year of mediocrity before going back to his old self?

 

Pass.

 

It's not TJS. It's a different ligament that's torn in the elbow. Don't remember which one.

the ubulus, which connects to the upper dorsimus

[woodchip2153]

If Sheets needs TJS, doesn't that usually mean a year to rehab then a year of mediocrity before going back to his old self?

 

Pass.

 

It's not TJS. It's a different ligament that's torn in the elbow. Don't remember which one.

the ubulus, which connects to the upper dorsimus

 

which is connected to my wristwatch... uh oh

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This article from SI says that Sheets will have the surgery and the earliest he could pitch would be the second half of 2009.

 

After failing to receive any offers reflective of his superior talent, Close said Sheets concluded, "I'm just going to get this fixed.''

 

Noted sports surgeon James Andrews will likely perform the surgery.

 

Doctors told Sheets he could try to pitch through it but that at some point it would probably go. They also told him they wouldn't know when that would be until he got on a mound and threw at maximum effort.

 

By getting the surgery now, Sheets removes the uncertainty. He also gambles that the free-agent market will be slightly better next season. "With 10 or 12 starts, he's going to be in pretty good shape," Close said.

 

This all but guarantees no one will sign Sheets until after June.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If there was any remnance of a bridge left between Sheets and Milwaukee, its offically burned now.

 

Sheets Not Welcome Back In Milwaukee

By Drew Silva [February 10 at 7:42pm CST]

Brewers GM Doug Melvin said Tuesday that the club will not re-sign free agent Ben Sheets under any circumstances. Adam McCalvy has the report over at MLB.com.

 

"There's probably logic to it, but it's not going to happen," said Melvin.

 

Some readers have speculated that it would make sense for Sheets to return to Milwaukee since they're already footing the bill for his shoulder surgery and rehabilitation. Melvin put a stop to those kind of ideas Tuesday, adding that Sheets should have "some other avenues."

[Ski]

Compared to signing free agents, won't this surgery be kinda cheap?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

As I've said before, if the Brewers don't sign him, (which now looks out of the question) I assume a team will wait until after June 1 to get him. At that point, Sheets is going to be looking for only a 1-yr deal for the remainder of 2009 so he can hit the market healthy for 2010 and hopefully get a better deal.

 

If an adventurous team was willing to lose the pick, Sheets probably could be had on a deal that is really cheap for 2009 with incentives and a reasonable but substantial pay for 2010. If teams wait until June, Sheets will be less willing to allow a team to lock him up for 2010, or at least that's what I've been told.

[badnews]

Ben Sheets isn't going to pitch in 2009. I'd let someone else deal with the hassle of signing him for August rehab.

[Wheelimus]

I'd ask him what the cost would be for a June 1st signing with a 2010 team option. And I'd ask him what that price will be **now**.

 

Lets not be silly here. Sheets has to know that the cost of a draft pick will be factored into his deal one way or another. Lets just set ourselves up a little gamble on a handshake and sign the paperwork as soon as it doesn't cost a pick.

 

Why not. We've gambled on much stupider.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd ask him what the cost would be for a June 1st signing with a 2010 team option. And I'd ask him what that price will be **now**.

 

Lets not be silly here. Sheets has to know that the cost of a draft pick will be factored into his deal one way or another. Lets just set ourselves up a little gamble on a handshake and sign the paperwork as soon as it doesn't cost a pick.

 

Why not. We've gambled on much stupider.

 

And much cheaper. There's no way it's a good price for a team this close to maxed out on their budget.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

According to this article, Sheets's surgery was performed on Tuesday by Dr. Andrews.

 

Sheets hopes to return following the All-Star break.

 

Dr. James Andrews performed the successful surgery in Birmingham, Ala., repairing a partial tear in the pitcher's flexor tendon. The surgery is identical to the one Andrews performed on left-hander Andy Pettitte in 2004. Pettitte has logged 200-plus innings in every season since.

 

I guess if we need pitching help in the second half of the year, we can join other contenders in bidding on Sheets.

[brinoch]

I'd try to make a play for Sheets now. We've had some success with a rehabbing pitchers in the past (and some notable failures as well). Sheets is better than any of them. The upside is tremendous. The only real question is the cost.

 

If the cost is too much now with the ownership situation still in flux, and he's available June 1st, I'd definitely sign him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd try to make a play for Sheets now. We've had some success with a rehabbing pitchers in the past (and some notable failures as well). Sheets is better than any of them. The upside is tremendous. The only real question is the cost.

 

If the cost is too much now with the ownership situation still in flux, and he's available June 1st, I'd definitely sign him.

 

I'm hearing through second and third hand sources...(and by this, I really do mean the friend of a friend of his wife's kinda thing)...that Sheets isn't interested in signing one of those deals. He really wants to get healthy and offer his services around July to a contender, prove he's healthy, and then be back on the market next winter. The Brewers are going to have to pay for his surgery and most of his rehab from what I've heard. He would consider a deal where someone pays for 09 and gets 10, but it's going to be more expensive than anything most teams would consider. He thinks that if he's throwing well for teams in July with a clean bill of health that he can get 5+ million for the half season of 2009 and he also thinks he can get 13+ for 2010 and beyond.

[anabiono]

I'd try to make a play for Sheets now. We've had some success with a rehabbing pitchers in the past (and some notable failures as well). Sheets is better than any of them. The upside is tremendous. The only real question is the cost.

 

If the cost is too much now with the ownership situation still in flux, and he's available June 1st, I'd definitely sign him.

 

I'm hearing through second and third hand sources...(and by this, I really do mean the friend of a friend of his wife's kinda thing)...that Sheets isn't interested in signing one of those deals. He really wants to get healthy and offer his services around July to a contender, prove he's healthy, and then be back on the market next winter. The Brewers are going to have to pay for his surgery and most of his rehab from what I've heard. He would consider a deal where someone pays for 09 and gets 10, but it's going to be more expensive than anything most teams would consider. He thinks that if he's throwing well for teams in July with a clean bill of health that he can get 5+ million for the half season of 2009 and he also thinks he can get 13+ for 2010 and beyond.

 

lol

 

i can't wait to see his return continuously delayed this summer

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It's a gamble on his part for certain, but imagine the bidding war between contenders that could develop if Sheets looks good in workouts.

 

Teams that feel they are one pitcher away and have payroll space will be going after him. He's taking a risk, for sure, but it's one that could pay off for him. He might even be able to leverage a team into a long term deal at that point if they are desperate enough.

[anabiono]

if what you are hearing is true, it is somewhat baffling to me

 

he is coming off of surgery...has a history of injuries...

 

he will only be able to pitch the tail end of the season and possibly the post season depending on what team he lands with...

 

why in the world would he not just sign a short term contract and hit the market again?

 

pitch well this summer and he THEN could land a nice contract

 

having high demands at this point seems foolish

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

if what you are hearing is true, it is somewhat baffling to me

 

he is coming off of surgery...has a history of injuries...

 

he will only be able to pitch the tail end of the season and possibly the post season depending on what team he lands with...

 

why in the world would he not just sign a short term contract and hit the market again?

 

pitch well this summer and he THEN could land a nice contract

 

having high demands at this point seems foolish

 

Apparently the doctors have told him he should be able to pitch in MLB games by the middle of July, possibly earlier. That's still a half of a season. In Sheets's eyes, the amount of money teams are offering him to rehab and pitch in 2009 will still be there in June or July. And while he's unable to create much of a bidding war now, he may be able to then. In June/July, he'll still have to option of signing a deal for 2009 and hitting the market for 2010, or he might leverage it into a long term deal. He's not hurting for money, so what's the difference to him in signing a low ball contract now that will still be there in June. The only difference is he could rehab with a major league team, but right now that isn't all that important to him.

[Outshined_One]

if what you are hearing is true, it is somewhat baffling to me

 

he is coming off of surgery...has a history of injuries...

 

he will only be able to pitch the tail end of the season and possibly the post season depending on what team he lands with...

 

why in the world would he not just sign a short term contract and hit the market again?

 

pitch well this summer and he THEN could land a nice contract

 

having high demands at this point seems foolish

 

Apparently the doctors have told him he should be able to pitch in MLB games by the middle of July, possibly earlier. That's still a half of a season. In Sheets's eyes, the amount of money teams are offering him to rehab and pitch in 2009 will still be there in June or July. And while he's unable to create much of a bidding war now, he may be able to then. In June/July, he'll still have to option of signing a deal for 2009 and hitting the market for 2010, or he might leverage it into a long term deal. He's not hurting for money, so what's the difference to him in signing a low ball contract now that will still be there in June. The only difference is he could rehab with a major league team, but right now that isn't all that important to him.

 

The fact that he's a Type A free agent also hurts his ability to sign with teams. Those teams might prefer to wait until they can sign him without having to compensate the Brewers with draft picks.

[Soul]

I can't believe Sheets will be able to pitch anywhere near his usual level in '09. And I won't believe it until I actually see it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Andy Petitte had the same surgery in 2004. He returned in 2005, and had a remarkable season. Of course, Andy may have been aided by the juice....so ...uhm...never mind.

[dew1679666265]

Andy Petitte had the same surgery in 2004. He returned in 2005, and had a remarkable season. Of course, Andy may have been aided by the juice....so ...uhm...never mind.

 

So you're saying sign Sheets and stockpile him with steroids then?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Andy Petitte had the same surgery in 2004. He returned in 2005, and had a remarkable season. Of course, Andy may have been aided by the juice....so ...uhm...never mind.

 

So you're saying sign Sheets and stockpile him with steroids then?

 

Hopefully, he use the steroids for recovery before we get him.

[dew1679666265]

Andy Petitte had the same surgery in 2004. He returned in 2005, and had a remarkable season. Of course, Andy may have been aided by the juice....so ...uhm...never mind.

 

So you're saying sign Sheets and stockpile him with steroids then?

 

Hopefully, he use the steroids for recovery before we get him.

 

Come on, just admit you're condoning the cheating. :wink:

[Guest]

if what you are hearing is true, it is somewhat baffling to me

 

he is coming off of surgery...has a history of injuries...

 

he will only be able to pitch the tail end of the season and possibly the post season depending on what team he lands with...

 

why in the world would he not just sign a short term contract and hit the market again?

 

pitch well this summer and he THEN could land a nice contract

 

having high demands at this point seems foolish

 

Apparently the doctors have told him he should be able to pitch in MLB games by the middle of July, possibly earlier. That's still a half of a season. In Sheets's eyes, the amount of money teams are offering him to rehab and pitch in 2009 will still be there in June or July. And while he's unable to create much of a bidding war now, he may be able to then. In June/July, he'll still have to option of signing a deal for 2009 and hitting the market for 2010, or he might leverage it into a long term deal. He's not hurting for money, so what's the difference to him in signing a low ball contract now that will still be there in June. The only difference is he could rehab with a major league team, but right now that isn't all that important to him.

 

The fact that he's a Type A free agent also hurts his ability to sign with teams. Those teams might prefer to wait until they can sign him without having to compensate the Brewers with draft picks.

 

I think this is the main reason teams aren't going to sign him now. Why risk giving up a draft pick to sign a guy now who might not even pitch this year when you can wait until July to make sure that he's going to be able to pitch? Sure, there might be more teams going after him later in the year, but there isn't the draft pick issue anymore and a team knows if its in contention or not.