Cubs fan needing your input

[theREALtraderumor]

Just so we're all familiar. This is Fred and some of his stats taken from a random game thread last year:

(put in a spoiler cause it's so long)

 

 

That's interesting but none of my stuff is like that. No Cubs vs. {insert team} comparisions and none of that w-l record stuff. I got a bunch of stats I'll look at.

 

Here's my site: http://www.cubshiddenstats.blogspot.com

 

I start as soon as the season starts. I've already listed some of the stats I'll be keeping track of. Some are unconventional and some are stats that don't officially exist.

[cubbinalltheway]

i think it's a very cool idea, and am looking forward to seeing the numbers as the season progresses. one thing though.......

 

Have you ever watched a Cubs game and wonder how successful Aramis Ramirez is at driving home a runner on 3rd with less than two outs? Or maybe you wondered how many quality starts Carlos Zambrano has this season. Well wonder no more. Those are some pieces of information you might struggle to find on the internet.

you can definitely find that info pretty easily.

[CubColtPacer]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

[jersey cubs fan]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

[CubColtPacer]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

That's also a very good idea. Obviously CS is already a stat, but there's no stat for getting thrown out at a base for being way too aggressive (either trying to take extra bases or trying to take 3rd on a ball hit to the left side).

[Mephistopheles]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

That's also a very good idea. Obviously CS is already a stat, but there's no stat for getting thrown out at a base for being way too aggressive (either trying to take extra bases or trying to take 3rd on a ball hit to the left side).

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=421535

[jersey cubs fan]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

That's also a very good idea. Obviously CS is already a stat, but there's no stat for getting thrown out at a base for being way too aggressive (either trying to take extra bases or trying to take 3rd on a ball hit to the left side).

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=421535

 

Care to translate?

[CubColtPacer]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

That's also a very good idea. Obviously CS is already a stat, but there's no stat for getting thrown out at a base for being way too aggressive (either trying to take extra bases or trying to take 3rd on a ball hit to the left side).

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=421535

 

Thanks! Obviously baserunning wasn't one of the Cubs strengths last year, with Lee, Ramirez, Edmonds, and Soto all being so low.

 

Theriot's baserunning was actually only a slight negative and better than most of the Cubs regulars. It looked like all the extra bases he took did a decent job of offsetting the huge amount of outs.

[CubColtPacer]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

That's also a very good idea. Obviously CS is already a stat, but there's no stat for getting thrown out at a base for being way too aggressive (either trying to take extra bases or trying to take 3rd on a ball hit to the left side).

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=421535

 

Care to translate?

 

Each stat in the middle corresponds to a different part of baserunning. One deals with stolen base attempts, another one deals with advancing on groundouts, another one deals with advancing on flyouts, another one on advancing on base hits, and finally advancing on things like wild pitches. The value of the extra base is compared to how many outs are recorded and then it's calculated how many runs were created or lost in each category compared to an average runner.

 

Each is factored into the stat on the very right, which is how efficient the player was on the bases overall.

[jersey cubs fan]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

That's also a very good idea. Obviously CS is already a stat, but there's no stat for getting thrown out at a base for being way too aggressive (either trying to take extra bases or trying to take 3rd on a ball hit to the left side).

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=421535

 

Care to translate?

 

Each stat in the middle corresponds to a different part of baserunning. One deals with stolen base attempts, another one deals with advancing on groundouts, another one deals with advancing on flyouts, another one on advancing on base hits, and finally advancing on things like wild pitches. The value of the extra base is compared to how many outs are recorded and then it's calculated how many runs were created or lost in each category compared to an average runner.

 

Each is factored into the stat on the very right, which is how efficient the player was on the bases overall.

 

Is there a category for outs made on the basepaths?

[CubColtPacer]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

That's also a very good idea. Obviously CS is already a stat, but there's no stat for getting thrown out at a base for being way too aggressive (either trying to take extra bases or trying to take 3rd on a ball hit to the left side).

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=421535

 

Care to translate?

 

Each stat in the middle corresponds to a different part of baserunning. One deals with stolen base attempts, another one deals with advancing on groundouts, another one deals with advancing on flyouts, another one on advancing on base hits, and finally advancing on things like wild pitches. The value of the extra base is compared to how many outs are recorded and then it's calculated how many runs were created or lost in each category compared to an average runner.

 

Each is factored into the stat on the very right, which is how efficient the player was on the bases overall.

 

Is there a category for outs made on the basepaths?

 

It's not its own separate category, no. But tracking outs by itself is just as worthless as simply seeing how many extra bases a player takes without taking into account the risk.

 

What it does is factor those outs into each of the other categories similar to how outs are factored into stolen base percentage, which based on that percentage and run expectancy charts we can figure out if trying for extra bases was worth it or not. All the outs that a player like Theriot made on the basepaths are counted against him in one of those categories, depending on what type of out it was. But it breaks it down into several different kinds of situations, so it is easier to see if a player is too risky in one area but provides reward in another baserunning area.

[Mephistopheles]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

That's also a very good idea. Obviously CS is already a stat, but there's no stat for getting thrown out at a base for being way too aggressive (either trying to take extra bases or trying to take 3rd on a ball hit to the left side).

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=421535

 

Care to translate?

 

Each stat in the middle corresponds to a different part of baserunning. One deals with stolen base attempts, another one deals with advancing on groundouts, another one deals with advancing on flyouts, another one on advancing on base hits, and finally advancing on things like wild pitches. The value of the extra base is compared to how many outs are recorded and then it's calculated how many runs were created or lost in each category compared to an average runner.

 

Each is factored into the stat on the very right, which is how efficient the player was on the bases overall.

 

Is there a category for outs made on the basepaths?

 

It's not its own separate category, no. But tracking outs by itself is just as worthless as simply seeing how many extra bases a player takes without taking into account the risk.

 

What it does is factor those outs into each of the other categories similar to how outs are factored into stolen base percentage, which based on that percentage and run expectancy charts we can figure out if trying for extra bases was worth it or not. All the outs that a player like Theriot made on the basepaths are counted against him in one of those categories, depending on what type of out it was. But it breaks it down into several different kinds of situations, so it is easier to see if a player is too risky in one area but provides reward in another baserunning area.

 

its factored in there, but it's not explicitly listed there.

[Mephistopheles]

Make sure you calculate EqA and DRA on all your splits plz.

 

Thanks,

Meph

[imb]

excuse me, meph is the only one that makes up fake stats around here

[theREALtraderumor]

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

I'm not gonna lie...that sounds difficult but I'll see what I can do.

[theREALtraderumor]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

Sure...that sounds very doable.

[jersey cubs fan]

Quality Starts and quality start percentage are both listed on ESPN's statistics. If you go to individual pitching, then click on Expanded I, those two statistics are sortable on the very right side of the page.

 

My suggestion if you want to do this is to avoid the stats that are easily calculated from stats that are available during the season. ISOD, ISOP, and other stats like that are easily done.

 

One thing that I haven't seen any stats on is the value of the hit and run for the Cubs. What happens every time there is a stolen base attempt and a swing at the same time? There are lots of arguments on how much harm Lou is causing with using the hit and run as liberally as he does, but nobody ever has the data to prove anything one way or the other. I'd love to see the data.

 

On that note, keep track of how many times the Cubs make an out on the basepaths.

 

That's also a very good idea. Obviously CS is already a stat, but there's no stat for getting thrown out at a base for being way too aggressive (either trying to take extra bases or trying to take 3rd on a ball hit to the left side).

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=421535

 

Care to translate?

 

Each stat in the middle corresponds to a different part of baserunning. One deals with stolen base attempts, another one deals with advancing on groundouts, another one deals with advancing on flyouts, another one on advancing on base hits, and finally advancing on things like wild pitches. The value of the extra base is compared to how many outs are recorded and then it's calculated how many runs were created or lost in each category compared to an average runner.

 

Each is factored into the stat on the very right, which is how efficient the player was on the bases overall.

 

Is there a category for outs made on the basepaths?

 

It's not its own separate category, no. But tracking outs by itself is just as worthless as simply seeing how many extra bases a player takes without taking into account the risk.

 

What it does is factor those outs into each of the other categories similar to how outs are factored into stolen base percentage, which based on that percentage and run expectancy charts we can figure out if trying for extra bases was worth it or not. All the outs that a player like Theriot made on the basepaths are counted against him in one of those categories, depending on what type of out it was. But it breaks it down into several different kinds of situations, so it is easier to see if a player is too risky in one area but provides reward in another baserunning area.

 

its factored in there, but it's not explicitly listed there.

 

Well, then it sounds like my man REAL can help me out here.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Fred has the answers.

 

Who is Fred?

 

Ramirez                 AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
man on 3rd  < 2 outs     6    0    2    1    0    0    3    0    2  0.333  0.333  0.500  0.833  0.500  3.83  0.000  0.500
1st & 3rd   < 2 outs    16    4    5    2    0    1   12    0    3  0.313  0.381  0.625  1.006  0.333  3.10  0.068  0.393
2nd & 3rd   < 2 outs     7    2    1    1    0    0    5    4    1  0.143  0.455  0.286  0.740  0.167  3.73  0.312  0.385
bases loaded< 2 outs     4    3    2    1    0    1   13    2    0  0.500  0.400  1.500  1.900  0.333  3.10 -0.100  0.706

Totals                  33    9   10    5    0    2   33    6    6  0.303  0.396  0.636  1.032  0.320  3.33  0.280  0.484

 

 

Fred says, "Hi!" ;)

[NCCubFan]

Fred has the answers.

 

Who is Fred?

 

Ramirez                 AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
man on 3rd  < 2 outs     6    0    2    1    0    0    3    0    2  0.333  0.333  0.500  0.833  0.500  3.83  0.000  0.500
1st & 3rd   < 2 outs    16    4    5    2    0    1   12    0    3  0.313  0.381  0.625  1.006  0.333  3.10  0.068  0.393
2nd & 3rd   < 2 outs     7    2    1    1    0    0    5    4    1  0.143  0.455  0.286  0.740  0.167  3.73  0.312  0.385
bases loaded< 2 outs     4    3    2    1    0    1   13    2    0  0.500  0.400  1.500  1.900  0.333  3.10 -0.100  0.706

Totals                  33    9   10    5    0    2   33    6    6  0.303  0.396  0.636  1.032  0.320  3.33  0.280  0.484

 

 

Fred says, "Hi!" ;)

I thought this was Fred:

http://www.topthat.net/webrock/images/toc1on.jpg

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

I thought this was Fred:

http://www.topthat.net/webrock/images/toc1on.jpg

 

Don't make me have to track you down and hurt you !!! :wink: