Ronny Cedeno/Mark O'Neal confrontation

[beowulf28]

agree, I wish Cedeno well, but he isn't very good. He may have the worst baseball instincts of any Cub I have seen.

 

Worse than Ryan Theriot?

 

Yes.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Theriot's OBP is an even .360 with CS included. That's pretty significant.

If you're going to play that game, then you have to count every hit where he stole 2nd base as a double, and suddenly his slugging percentage doesn't look quite so bad.

 

Not really, the point was that Theriot's baserunning doesn't hurt his sparkling OBP, and a 20-30 point difference depending on whose math was right is definitely significant.

 

And even then, as SSR pointed out in different posts, SB don't achieve the same purpose of advancing and driving in runners as the rest of SLG, and Theriot's sub-.400 SLG even with SB is pretty abysmal.

[Brett]

Theriot's OBP is an even .360 with CS included. That's pretty significant.

If you're going to play that game, then you have to count every hit where he stole 2nd base as a double, and suddenly his slugging percentage doesn't look quite so bad.

 

I already addressed this. It makes it 396 which still sucks.

 

Man, that's pretty bad. Almost no one steals enough bases to make up for the lost value in the CS, but Theriot was a special kind of awful.

[The Other 15]

I hope that Cub fans don't confuse Theriot's offensive numbers as a reason to not look for improvement at a very important position in baseball.

 

As for the confrontation, last year Ronnie would have immediately swung at O'Niel and just grazed him. This season, he was patient and still ended up just grazing him.