Guesses on Cubs in the top 100 for BA next year?

[davell]

I'm guessing Vitters is top 30, maybe breaking the top 25. Shark should make the list too, shouldn't he? He's a total headscratcher to me though as to where he could wind up on it though. If he has a great postseason, I think the sky's the limit for where he's ranked, but I'd think he's top 60 at the least. I figure Ceda will be somewhere in the 70-90 range, possibly a tad higher. Cashner? Will he make it? If so, how high? I can't see him higher than where I'm figuring Ceda to be, am I wrong? Any chance Jackson sneaks onto the list? I'd think he makes the top 150, but don't know what to think as to him making the top 100 already. Probably gets mentioned as someone to watch for sure though. How about Colvin and Veal? My guess is Veal is nowhere to be found, but Colvin could show up around 100 since he caught fire at the end of the season. Castillo a possibility? Catchers are at a premium anyway..... Anyone else I'm missing that could get mentioned or at least be top 150? At any rate, it looks like we could represented pretty well......Maybe our system moves back into the 12-15ish range overall?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Vitter, yes, Ceda, maybe, Colvin, we'll see. If Jay Jackson keeps it up, he could as well. as for Veal, he is on the fast track to become a non prospect. Who knows, they may even chose not to protect him, and let someone else grab him as a rule 5.

[Guest]

I'm guessing Vitters is top 30, maybe breaking the top 25. Shark should make the list too, shouldn't he? He's a total headscratcher to me though as to where he could wind up on it though. If he has a great postseason, I think the sky's the limit for where he's ranked, but I'd think he's top 60 at the least. I figure Ceda will be somewhere in the 70-90 range, possibly a tad higher. Cashner? Will he make it? If so, how high? I can't see him higher than where I'm figuring Ceda to be, am I wrong? Any chance Jackson sneaks onto the list? I'd think he makes the top 150, but don't know what to think as to him making the top 100 already. Probably gets mentioned as someone to watch for sure though. How about Colvin and Veal? My guess is Veal is nowhere to be found, but Colvin could show up around 100 since he caught fire at the end of the season. Castillo a possibility? Catchers are at a premium anyway..... Anyone else I'm missing that could get mentioned or at least be top 150? At any rate, it looks like we could represented pretty well......Maybe our system moves back into the 12-15ish range overall?

 

My guesses:

 

Vitters in the top 40.

Samardzija in the top 75.

Ceda in the top 100.

 

Don't think Cashner, Jackson or Castillo will make it. Colvin might have a chance since BA loves him but I don't think so.

[Outshined_One]

I'm guessing Vitters is top 30, maybe breaking the top 25. Shark should make the list too, shouldn't he? He's a total headscratcher to me though as to where he could wind up on it though. If he has a great postseason, I think the sky's the limit for where he's ranked, but I'd think he's top 60 at the least. I figure Ceda will be somewhere in the 70-90 range, possibly a tad higher. Cashner? Will he make it? If so, how high? I can't see him higher than where I'm figuring Ceda to be, am I wrong? Any chance Jackson sneaks onto the list? I'd think he makes the top 150, but don't know what to think as to him making the top 100 already. Probably gets mentioned as someone to watch for sure though. How about Colvin and Veal? My guess is Veal is nowhere to be found, but Colvin could show up around 100 since he caught fire at the end of the season. Castillo a possibility? Catchers are at a premium anyway..... Anyone else I'm missing that could get mentioned or at least be top 150? At any rate, it looks like we could represented pretty well......Maybe our system moves back into the 12-15ish range overall?

 

My guesses:

 

Vitters in the top 40.

Samardzija in the top 75.

Ceda in the top 100.

 

Don't think Cashner, Jackson or Castillo will make it. Colvin might have a chance since BA loves him but I don't think so.

 

I'm guessing Cashner makes it over Ceda.

[Guest]

I'm guessing Vitters is top 30, maybe breaking the top 25. Shark should make the list too, shouldn't he? He's a total headscratcher to me though as to where he could wind up on it though. If he has a great postseason, I think the sky's the limit for where he's ranked, but I'd think he's top 60 at the least. I figure Ceda will be somewhere in the 70-90 range, possibly a tad higher. Cashner? Will he make it? If so, how high? I can't see him higher than where I'm figuring Ceda to be, am I wrong? Any chance Jackson sneaks onto the list? I'd think he makes the top 150, but don't know what to think as to him making the top 100 already. Probably gets mentioned as someone to watch for sure though. How about Colvin and Veal? My guess is Veal is nowhere to be found, but Colvin could show up around 100 since he caught fire at the end of the season. Castillo a possibility? Catchers are at a premium anyway..... Anyone else I'm missing that could get mentioned or at least be top 150? At any rate, it looks like we could represented pretty well......Maybe our system moves back into the 12-15ish range overall?

 

My guesses:

 

Vitters in the top 40.

Samardzija in the top 75.

Ceda in the top 100.

 

Don't think Cashner, Jackson or Castillo will make it. Colvin might have a chance since BA loves him but I don't think so.

 

I'm guessing Cashner makes it over Ceda.

 

Callis and Badler prefer Ceda to Cashner. I doubt Badler gets a vote on the top 100 but I'm guessing if two of them think that way at BA, it might be the prevailing opinion there.

 

I bet they think Cashner and Ceda are similar in talent but Ceda has done it longer professionally and at higher levels.

[Brian]

Why don't you think that Jackson will make it Raisin? Still too early to tell for them, or does he seem like a Gallagher type where despite the numbers they can't justify recognizing him.

[rawaction]

I'd guess Vitters anywhere from 20-40. I think Samardzija will be in the top 60. Ceda from 60-75. I wouldn't be surprised to see Colvin in the 70's-80s. My sleeper is Castillo coming in the bottom 15 of the top 100.

[TruffleShuffle]

Why don't you think that Jackson will make it Raisin? Still too early to tell for them, or does he seem like a Gallagher type where despite the numbers they can't justify recognizing him.

 

i'd guess that it's too early; he had three good months. if he'd been a first round pick and put up stunning numbers, but i think that BA lets draft position play a big role in their rankings, especially if the guy was drafting within the last 2 years.

[Guest]

Why don't you think that Jackson will make it Raisin? Still too early to tell for them, or does he seem like a Gallagher type where despite the numbers they can't justify recognizing him.

 

i'd guess that it's too early; he had three good months. if he'd been a first round pick and put up stunning numbers, but i think that BA lets draft position play a big role in their rankings, especially if the guy was drafting within the last 2 years.

 

Agreed.

 

But I think his numbers and projectability easily get him into BA's top 10 (deservedly so).

[Mephistopheles]

We'll see Vitters in the top 30. We'll see Samardzija in the top 75, perhaps the top 50. We'll probably see Colvin and Cashner, and possibly Veal and Ceda sitting in the 90-100 range. Right now:

 

~30 Vitters

~50 Samardzija

~80 Cashner

~80 Colvin

~100 Ceda

~110 Veal

~140 Jackson

~150 Shafer

[badnews]

Colvin has no chance of making the Top 100.

 

Vitters will make the Top 40.

 

Samardzija and Cashner will be in the 70s.

 

That's all I think will make it.

[Guest]

Colvin has no chance of making the Top 100.

deja vu

[Guest]

Not quite top 100 but here's another guy who does top 100s for BA who seems to be higher on Ceda than Cashner (if you can infer that from what he wrote). It also sounds like he's leaning Samardzija over Vitters.

 

Mike: (Chicago, IL):: Who would you say the top five Cubs prospects are and is there anybody in low A ball besides Vitters that could make an impact in the near future?

 

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now. Samardzija still qualifies with just 23 IP and might rank No. 1 right now. Not a lot of Cubs popping up in our league Top 20s; I suppose Vitters, Jose Ceda and probably Andrew Cashner despite his horrid pro debut. Then throw in holdovers such as Tyler Colvin and Welington Castillo. Off the top of my head, I'm not coming up with a lot of other stuff. Donnie Veal was pretty brutal this year and his stuff's down, and Dae-Eun Rhee has health issues. Hard to call one of these guys a sleeper with an E-ticket feature about him, but sleepers would include Matt Cerda and Jay Jackson, a pair of '08 draft picks, not top 5 material but perhaps in the future.

[TruffleShuffle]

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now.

 

is anybody, really? i guess oneri fleita.

[Guest]

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now.

 

is anybody, really? i guess oneri fleita.

I'll like this year's top 20 better than last year's. But that's not saying much.

[Rob]

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now.

 

is anybody, really? i guess oneri fleita.

 

I like the direction the system is heading in... seems to be a lot more high-risk, high-ceiling types. I don't mind boom-or-bust players... it's much cheaper to acquire role-players in free agency to fill in around our homegrown superstars than it is to acquire superstar caliber players to fill in around our homegrown role-players.

[Mephistopheles]

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now.

 

is anybody, really? i guess oneri fleita.

 

I like the direction the system is heading in... seems to be a lot more high-risk, high-ceiling types.

 

This really isn't true. We did that with a couple guys this season (Carpenter and Wilson), but the last three drafts have been very safe relatively speaking. We haven't been going for high risk high reward guys. Even the Vitters pick as a HS pick isn't considered that.

[Rob]

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now.

 

is anybody, really? i guess oneri fleita.

 

I like the direction the system is heading in... seems to be a lot more high-risk, high-ceiling types.

 

This really isn't true. We did that with a couple guys this season (Carpenter and Wilson), but the last three drafts have been very safe relatively speaking. We haven't been going for high risk high reward guys. Even the Vitters pick as a HS pick isn't considered that.

 

Schafer probably belongs in that group as well, as do guys like Lake, Huseby... hell, even Ryan Harvey fits the bill. Samardzija was the quintessential boom or bust. I like having guys like that in the system, even if sometimes they don't pan out.

[Guest]

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now.

 

is anybody, really? i guess oneri fleita.

 

I like the direction the system is heading in... seems to be a lot more high-risk, high-ceiling types.

 

This really isn't true. We did that with a couple guys this season (Carpenter and Wilson), but the last three drafts have been very safe relatively speaking. We haven't been going for high risk high reward guys. Even the Vitters pick as a HS pick isn't considered that.

 

Schafer probably belongs in that group as well, as do guys like Lake, Huseby... hell, even Ryan Harvey fits the bill. Samardzija was the quintessential boom or bust. I like having guys like that in the system, even if sometimes they don't pan out.

 

Lake?

[Rob]

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now.

 

is anybody, really? i guess oneri fleita.

 

I like the direction the system is heading in... seems to be a lot more high-risk, high-ceiling types.

 

This really isn't true. We did that with a couple guys this season (Carpenter and Wilson), but the last three drafts have been very safe relatively speaking. We haven't been going for high risk high reward guys. Even the Vitters pick as a HS pick isn't considered that.

 

Schafer probably belongs in that group as well, as do guys like Lake, Huseby... hell, even Ryan Harvey fits the bill. Samardzija was the quintessential boom or bust. I like having guys like that in the system, even if sometimes they don't pan out.

 

Lake?

 

Junior Lake? I was under the impression he was a toolbox with plate discipline issues.

[Guest]

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now.

 

is anybody, really? i guess oneri fleita.

 

I like the direction the system is heading in... seems to be a lot more high-risk, high-ceiling types.

 

This really isn't true. We did that with a couple guys this season (Carpenter and Wilson), but the last three drafts have been very safe relatively speaking. We haven't been going for high risk high reward guys. Even the Vitters pick as a HS pick isn't considered that.

 

Schafer probably belongs in that group as well, as do guys like Lake, Huseby... hell, even Ryan Harvey fits the bill. Samardzija was the quintessential boom or bust. I like having guys like that in the system, even if sometimes they don't pan out.

 

Lake?

 

Junior Lake? I was under the impression he was a toolbox with plate discipline issues.

 

Gotcha, I thought you were only talking about drafted guys which confused me. (Amongst Latin guys, I'd also mention Nelson Perez and Starlin Castro as really toolsy, raw kids.)

[Rob]

John Manuel: Not a huge fan of the Cubs' system right now.

 

is anybody, really? i guess oneri fleita.

 

I like the direction the system is heading in... seems to be a lot more high-risk, high-ceiling types.

 

This really isn't true. We did that with a couple guys this season (Carpenter and Wilson), but the last three drafts have been very safe relatively speaking. We haven't been going for high risk high reward guys. Even the Vitters pick as a HS pick isn't considered that.

 

Schafer probably belongs in that group as well, as do guys like Lake, Huseby... hell, even Ryan Harvey fits the bill. Samardzija was the quintessential boom or bust. I like having guys like that in the system, even if sometimes they don't pan out.

 

Lake?

 

Junior Lake? I was under the impression he was a toolbox with plate discipline issues.

 

Gotcha, I thought you were only talking about drafted guys which confused me. (Amongst Latin guys, I'd also mention Nelson Perez and Starlin Castro as really toolsy, raw kids.)

 

Nah, I was going for a huge sampling of that type of player. I went with the college pitcher with injury questions, the toolsy import, the high school pitcher with injury questions, the high school hitter with off the charts power who can't put the bat on the ball, and Samardzija... who doesn't really fit into a common archetype.

[Mephistopheles]

sure we've taken a few high risk guys, but those are late. the majority of our early picks have been proven college players with not so high upside. almost every system has more guys with high upsides than ours.