Soto vs McCann

[chopsx9]

Nothing revolutionary just thought it was interesting how close there numbers mirrored each other. (so's notwithstanding)

 

Not that familiar with McCann's defense - how does Soto compare?

 

RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS

22 Brian McCann ATL 461 62 135 35 1 23 80 5 0 50 60 .293 .365 .523 .888

23Geovany Soto CHC 462 61 135 33 2 21 80 0 0 57 115 .292 .369 .509 .877

[Cynosure]

Soto is also a rookie and all the voters know this, so if it's for the silver slugger... Soto wins by a mile.

[shnsajax]

Soto is also a rookie and all the voters know this, so if it's for the silver slugger... Soto wins by a mile.

 

Voters are very stupid especially in awards like this and gold glove.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Soto is also Latino and has the disadvantage of constant discrimination, so that should be factored into the decision over white boy.

[nilodnayr]

Soto is also Latino and has the disadvantage of constant discrimination, so that should be factored into the decision over white boy.

 

Are they applying to law school at U of M?

[Post Count Padder]

Wow, didn't realize how close their stats are.

 

Except for K's.

[Gmoney08]

Wow, didn't realize how close their stats are.

 

Except for K's.

 

Yeah thats like literally the exact same stat line except the K's..

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Geo has twice as many triples, and I don't recall seeing McCann legging out an inside the park HR. that's gotta count for something

[Wolfgangbucks]

Geo can't lay down a decent sac bunt though.............................. ;)

[27up27down]

Geo has twice as many triples, and I don't recall seeing McCann legging out an inside the park HR. that's gotta count for something

I think it means even big slow oxen get a lucky bounce every now and then.

[nilodnayr]

Geo has twice as many triples, and I don't recall seeing McCann legging out an inside the park HR. that's gotta count for something

 

McCann has infinity as many stolen bases.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Geo has twice as many triples, and I don't recall seeing McCann legging out an inside the park HR. that's gotta count for something

 

McCann has infinity as many stolen bases.

don't steal Geo's thunder

[nilodnayr]

Wow, didn't realize how close their stats are.

 

Except for K's.

 

Yeah thats like literally the exact same stat line except the K's..

 

Guys, sorry to burst the bubble, but thats a pretty giant except.

[AlwaysaCub]

Wow, didn't realize how close their stats are.

 

Except for K's.

 

Yeah thats like literally the exact same stat line except the K's..

 

Guys, sorry to burst the bubble, but thats a pretty giant except.

 

Um, no. If it mattered or the voters cared, why did Ryan Howard win MVP?

[nilodnayr]

Wow, didn't realize how close their stats are.

 

Except for K's.

 

Yeah thats like literally the exact same stat line except the K's..

 

Guys, sorry to burst the bubble, but thats a pretty giant except.

 

Um, no. If it mattered or the voters cared, why did Ryan Howard win MVP?

 

I meant in real life, not in post season awards. The first post doesn't say anything about post season awards.

[AlwaysaCub]

Wow, didn't realize how close their stats are.

 

Except for K's.

 

Yeah thats like literally the exact same stat line except the K's..

 

Guys, sorry to burst the bubble, but thats a pretty giant except.

 

Um, no. If it mattered or the voters cared, why did Ryan Howard win MVP?

 

I meant in real life, not in post season awards. The first post doesn't say anything about post season awards.

 

Look, outs are outs. I know this is an entire debate unto itself, but are we really getting to get picky about moving runners up or not grounding into double plays? Players can strike out and still be productive. I just don't see how the greater number of strikeouts being literally the only difference in the above stat lines matters at all when considering who has contributed more offensively.

 

For the Record:

Soto: 11 GIDP

McCann: 17 GIDP

 

I think that stat is much less trivial than their strikeouts, but maybe that's just me

[CubbieBum]

Geo has twice as many triples, and I don't recall seeing McCann legging out an inside the park HR. that's gotta count for something

I think it means even big slow oxen get a lucky bounce every now and then.

 

Well it was actually a homerun the ump just missed the call and Geo had to run to get it.

[CubbieBum]

Wow, didn't realize how close their stats are.

 

Except for K's.

 

Yeah thats like literally the exact same stat line except the K's..

 

Guys, sorry to burst the bubble, but thats a pretty giant except.

 

Um, no. If it mattered or the voters cared, why did Ryan Howard win MVP?

 

I meant in real life, not in post season awards. The first post doesn't say anything about post season awards.

 

Look, outs are outs. I know this is an entire debate unto itself, but are we really getting to get picky about moving runners up or not grounding into double plays? Players can strike out and still be productive. I just don't see how the greater number of strikeouts being literally the only difference in the above stat lines matters at all when considering who has contributed more offensively.

 

For the Record:

Soto: 11 GIDP

McCann: 17 GIDP

 

I think that stat is much less trivial than their strikeouts, but maybe that's just me

 

 

When looking at everything all stats together SO's lose a lot of their importance. Getting a groundout could still score a run or sac fly at the very least moves the runners over but all except that last one are accounted for with RBI's. So SO's don't mean as much, now if you look at as a GM with all things equal I'll take the guy who strikesout less because that tends to mean better plate disapline which when their bats slow becomes more important.

[AlwaysaCub]

Wow, didn't realize how close their stats are.

 

Except for K's.

 

Yeah thats like literally the exact same stat line except the K's..

 

Guys, sorry to burst the bubble, but thats a pretty giant except.

 

Um, no. If it mattered or the voters cared, why did Ryan Howard win MVP?

 

I meant in real life, not in post season awards. The first post doesn't say anything about post season awards.

 

Look, outs are outs. I know this is an entire debate unto itself, but are we really getting to get picky about moving runners up or not grounding into double plays? Players can strike out and still be productive. I just don't see how the greater number of strikeouts being literally the only difference in the above stat lines matters at all when considering who has contributed more offensively.

 

For the Record:

Soto: 11 GIDP

McCann: 17 GIDP

 

I think that stat is much less trivial than their strikeouts, but maybe that's just me

 

 

When looking at everything all stats together SO's lose a lot of their importance. Getting a groundout could still score a run or sac fly at the very least moves the runners over but all except that last one are accounted for with RBI's. So SO's don't mean as much, now if you look at as a GM with all things equal I'll take the guy who strikesout less because that tends to mean better plate disapline which when their bats slow becomes more important.

 

I somewhat agree, but I think you are confusing plate discipline with bat control. Soto could quite easily be striking out on pitches in the zone because his bat control is not as incredible as McCann's. I unfortunately don't have handy whether Soto strikes out more on pitches in or out of the zone but that would be telling.

 

I think what is important going forward is how you think the rest of those stats will progress. McCann is actually younger than Soto by a year, which is a huge point in his favor here.

[nilodnayr]

Wow, didn't realize how close their stats are.

 

Except for K's.

 

Yeah thats like literally the exact same stat line except the K's..

 

Guys, sorry to burst the bubble, but thats a pretty giant except.

 

Um, no. If it mattered or the voters cared, why did Ryan Howard win MVP?

 

I meant in real life, not in post season awards. The first post doesn't say anything about post season awards.

 

Look, outs are outs. I know this is an entire debate unto itself, but are we really getting to get picky about moving runners up or not grounding into double plays? Players can strike out and still be productive. I just don't see how the greater number of strikeouts being literally the only difference in the above stat lines matters at all when considering who has contributed more offensively.

 

For the Record:

Soto: 11 GIDP

McCann: 17 GIDP

 

I think that stat is much less trivial than their strikeouts, but maybe that's just me

 

I'm not speaking from a retrospective perspective, but rather a prospective perspective. In that case, strike outs do matter...a lot.

[David]

Guys, nilo isn't dumb.

[nilodnayr]

Guys, nilo isn't dumb.

 

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