Tigers trade Pudge to Yankees

[SouthSideRyan]

Farnsworth has given up 2 ER in a month, but he's managed to put up a 5.40 ERA post ASB.

 

The NYY are a big money "must win now" team desperate to make the playoffs, and they just lost their very good hitting C for the season, and have no legit replacement. You have to hold their feet to the fire and come away with something more than Kyle Farnsworth.

 

Even if Kyle Farnsworth were a good RP, why would the Tigers want him? They can't truly think they can jump up 5.5 games in the next 2 months, can they?

 

Look who they're chasing. The White Sox and Twins aren't bulletproof. If the Tigers picked up a legit bullpen arm rather than Farns, it probably would've helped a lot.

[anabiono]

Farnsworth has given up 2 ER in a month, but he's managed to put up a 5.40 ERA post ASB.

 

The NYY are a big money "must win now" team desperate to make the playoffs, and they just lost their very good hitting C for the season, and have no legit replacement. You have to hold their feet to the fire and come away with something more than Kyle Farnsworth.

 

Even if Kyle Farnsworth were a good RP, why would the Tigers want him? They can't truly think they can jump up 5.5 games in the next 2 months, can they?

 

the tigers may have their flaws, but considering how much baseball is left, that really isn't that much of a lead to overcome

 

that would almost be the equivalent of us sweeping the brewers and then pronouncing ourselves the NLC champs

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Farnsworth has given up 2 ER in a month, but he's managed to put up a 5.40 ERA post ASB.

 

The NYY are a big money "must win now" team desperate to make the playoffs, and they just lost their very good hitting C for the season, and have no legit replacement. You have to hold their feet to the fire and come away with something more than Kyle Farnsworth.

 

They should have forced Dontrelle Willis on them. :twisted:

[jersey cubs fan]

Farnsworth has given up 2 ER in a month, but he's managed to put up a 5.40 ERA post ASB.

 

The NYY are a big money "must win now" team desperate to make the playoffs, and they just lost their very good hitting C for the season, and have no legit replacement. You have to hold their feet to the fire and come away with something more than Kyle Farnsworth.

 

Even if Kyle Farnsworth were a good RP, why would the Tigers want him? They can't truly think they can jump up 5.5 games in the next 2 months, can they?

 

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but yes, they could, and probably should, think they can jump 5.5 games in 2 months. They aren't exactly chasing a juggernaut.

[Old Style]

Didnt we already trade Farnsworth to the Tigers? As I recall, we ultimately ended up with Steve Traschle/b] out of the deal. I doubt the tigers are giving up though. Cant Brandon Inge play catcher?

 

Scott Moore and Roberto Novoa

 

And Illinois football benchwarmer, Bo Flowers.

Bo went to my HS.

 

And WOW to this deal. Big move for the Yankees. I have less faith that the Rays are going to the playoffs now.

[anabiono]

Didnt we already trade Farnsworth to the Tigers? As I recall, we ultimately ended up with Steve Traschle/b] out of the deal. I doubt the tigers are giving up though. Cant Brandon Inge play catcher?

 

Scott Moore and Roberto Novoa

 

And Illinois football benchwarmer, Bo Flowers.

Bo went to my HS.

 

And WOW to this deal. Big move for the Yankees. I have less faith that the Rays are going to the playoffs now.

 

there is really only one thing that would make me smile more this year

[Old Style]

What do the Tigers have that we need? Their GM appears to be a moron. We can give them Bobby Howry for somebody good.

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Farnsworth has given up 2 ER in a month, but he's managed to put up a 5.40 ERA post ASB.

 

The NYY are a big money "must win now" team desperate to make the playoffs, and they just lost their very good hitting C for the season, and have no legit replacement. You have to hold their feet to the fire and come away with something more than Kyle Farnsworth.

 

Even if Kyle Farnsworth were a good RP, why would the Tigers want him? They can't truly think they can jump up 5.5 games in the next 2 months, can they?

 

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but yes, they could, and probably should, think they can jump 5.5 games in 2 months. They aren't exactly chasing a juggernaut.

 

No, it's not sarcasm. 5.5 games, when it's 2 teams, not 1, and the WC is out of reach, is a huge hurdle. The Sox and Twins may not be perfect, but the Tigers aren't without some major flaws. Now they deal their starting C for a bad RP, which I have to think decreases their chances (the drop off to Inge isn't much on offense, though I'm not sure how good his defense is behind the plate). They were 8.9% to make the playoffs before this trade. I wouldn't give up if I'm the Tigers, but I'd either get a good player or a prospect if I'm trading a decent C.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

What do the Tigers have that we need? Their GM appears to be a moron. We can give them Bobby Howry for somebody good.

 

I don't know. Pudge's contract is up at the end of the season and they most likely wouldn't resign him especially since he is a Boras client. They got a middle reliever in Farnsworth which they can use who has pitched well lately. There probably wasn't much of a market for a catcher especially one getting up in age. So, Dombrowski did what he could.

[fromthestretch]

the drop off to Inge isn't much on offense, though I'm not sure how good his defense is behind the plate

 

The only concern I'd really have defensively with Inge is that this is his first year catching since 2004. However, I'm not sure it's that big of a concern. Inge has always had a great arm, so he can control the running game a bit. Pudge is getting up there in years (he's 36), so the difference in their defensive abilities might not be the same as it would have been 3-5 years ago.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I didn't realize until now he was having a decent offensive season

[SouthSideRyan]

What do the Tigers have that we need? Their GM appears to be a moron. We can give them Bobby Howry for somebody good.

 

Dombrowski is one of the best GMs out there.

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Farnsworth has given up 2 ER in a month, but he's managed to put up a 5.40 ERA post ASB.

 

The NYY are a big money "must win now" team desperate to make the playoffs, and they just lost their very good hitting C for the season, and have no legit replacement. You have to hold their feet to the fire and come away with something more than Kyle Farnsworth.

 

Even if Kyle Farnsworth were a good RP, why would the Tigers want him? They can't truly think they can jump up 5.5 games in the next 2 months, can they?

 

the tigers may have their flaws, but considering how much baseball is left, that really isn't that much of a lead to overcome

 

that would almost be the equivalent of us sweeping the brewers and then pronouncing ourselves the NLC champs

 

Not really. The Brewers aren't a bad team - they're the second best team in the entire NL. They have 1 team between them and an NLC regular season title. The Tigers are a mediocre team, admittedly chasing 2 other mediocre teams. But having to jump 2 teams that are each 5 games ahead of you, when you have a very shaky pitching staff, isn't easy. And 2 hours ago, the Tigers had 2 Cs that put up league-average offense (one of whom could play 3B as well). That's good when you have lots of old and some oft-injured guys on your team (Guillen, Sheff, Pudge, Ordonez, etc).

 

Not to mention, even if the Brewers don't catch the Cubs, they're leading the WC race. The Tigers have almost no chance of making the playoffs unless they win their division. And even if they do, it would take a Cardinals of '06 run to win even 1 series. Their pitching is not good.

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I didn't realize until now he was having a decent offensive season

 

Inge or Pudge? They're numbers are almost equal and both were pretty bad last year.

[Clem Fandango]

Wow. Add one more name to the Yankees list of old school all-stars.

 

Come to Yankee Stadium and see some of the greatest players from the 90's!

 

And yes, I know, some of them are still good today, but geez. It seems like it was more of a name acquisition to me.

[jersey cubs fan]

No, it's not sarcasm. 5.5 games, when it's 2 teams, not 1, and the WC is out of reach, is a huge hurdle.

 

I never said it wasn't a hurdle, all I said is that Detroit should think they can pull if off. It will be difficult and the odds are against them, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they won that division.

[jersey cubs fan]

And yes, I know, some of them are still good today, but geez. It seems like it was more of a name acquisition to me.

 

They lost a guy who was essentially a 110 OPS+ hitter with a backup who has something like a 60 OPS+, so they went out and got a guy with an OPS+ over 100. I think it's a lot more than a name acquisition. They needed a catcher.

[Tracer Bullet]

No, it's not sarcasm. 5.5 games, when it's 2 teams, not 1, and the WC is out of reach, is a huge hurdle.

 

I never said it wasn't a hurdle, all I said is that Detroit should think they can pull if off. It will be difficult and the odds are against them, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they won that division.

 

But I don't think even a good RP makes those odds any better, esp if they have to give up Pudge. I just don't understand why you trade Pudge for Farnsworth. His Ks are still good, but a hit an inning and a HR every 4 IP seems a bit high. And they just got Rodney back. Zumaya is back too (though he might have a bit of a nagging injury still). I don't think Farns is a difference of 5 games for them. So if getting Farns means banking on Inge to be productive for 2 months as an every day C, I think I keep Pudge.

[jersey cubs fan]

No, it's not sarcasm. 5.5 games, when it's 2 teams, not 1, and the WC is out of reach, is a huge hurdle.

 

I never said it wasn't a hurdle, all I said is that Detroit should think they can pull if off. It will be difficult and the odds are against them, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they won that division.

 

But I don't think even a good RP makes those odds any better, esp if they have to give up Pudge. I just don't understand why you trade Pudge for Farnsworth. His Ks are still good, but a hit an inning and a HR every 4 IP seems a bit high. And they just got Rodney back. Zumaya is back too (though he might have a bit of a nagging injury still). I don't think Farns is a difference of 5 games for them. So if getting Farns means banking on Inge to be productive for 2 months as an every day C, I think I keep Pudge.

 

For what it's worth, I said the same thing.

[Clem Fandango]

And yes, I know, some of them are still good today, but geez. It seems like it was more of a name acquisition to me.

 

They lost a guy who was essentially a 110 OPS+ hitter with a backup who has something like a 60 OPS+, so they went out and got a guy with an OPS+ over 100. I think it's a lot more than a name acquisition. They needed a catcher.

 

Yeah, I know. Still find it ironic that it happens to be one of the biggest names in catching of the last 20 years

[laryan]

And yes, I know, some of them are still good today, but geez. It seems like it was more of a name acquisition to me.

 

They lost a guy who was essentially a 110 OPS+ hitter with a backup who has something like a 60 OPS+, so they went out and got a guy with an OPS+ over 100. I think it's a lot more than a name acquisition. They needed a catcher.

 

Yeah, I know. Still find it ironic that it happens to be one of the biggest names in catching of the last 20 years

 

 

i dont understand how its ironic.

he should be exactly who you expect the yankees to get

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I didn't realize until now he was having a decent offensive season

 

Inge or Pudge? They're numbers are almost equal and both were pretty bad last year.

I was talking about Pudge, but the same applies for Inge

[Clem Fandango]

And yes, I know, some of them are still good today, but geez. It seems like it was more of a name acquisition to me.

 

They lost a guy who was essentially a 110 OPS+ hitter with a backup who has something like a 60 OPS+, so they went out and got a guy with an OPS+ over 100. I think it's a lot more than a name acquisition. They needed a catcher.

 

Yeah, I know. Still find it ironic that it happens to be one of the biggest names in catching of the last 20 years

 

 

i dont understand how its ironic.

he should be exactly who you expect the yankees to get

 

Ironic in that the Yankees have had nothing but big name superstars come to their team throughout this decade through trade or free-agency and the big trade they make happens top be for one of the biggest names in the....

 

you know what i quit, I'm just making an observation, not critical analysis

[laryan]

And yes, I know, some of them are still good today, but geez. It seems like it was more of a name acquisition to me.

 

They lost a guy who was essentially a 110 OPS+ hitter with a backup who has something like a 60 OPS+, so they went out and got a guy with an OPS+ over 100. I think it's a lot more than a name acquisition. They needed a catcher.

 

Yeah, I know. Still find it ironic that it happens to be one of the biggest names in catching of the last 20 years

 

 

i dont understand how its ironic.

he should be exactly who you expect the yankees to get

 

Ironic in that the Yankees have had nothing but big name superstars come to their team throughout this decade through trade or free-agency and the big trade they make happens top be for one of the biggest names in the....

 

you know what i quit, I'm just making an observation, not critical analysis

 

 

just use the word ironic correctly in the future, that's all.

[Clem Fandango]

And yes, I know, some of them are still good today, but geez. It seems like it was more of a name acquisition to me.

 

They lost a guy who was essentially a 110 OPS+ hitter with a backup who has something like a 60 OPS+, so they went out and got a guy with an OPS+ over 100. I think it's a lot more than a name acquisition. They needed a catcher.

 

Yeah, I know. Still find it ironic that it happens to be one of the biggest names in catching of the last 20 years

 

 

i dont understand how its ironic.

he should be exactly who you expect the yankees to get

 

Ironic in that the Yankees have had nothing but big name superstars come to their team throughout this decade through trade or free-agency and the big trade they make happens top be for one of the biggest names in the....

 

you know what i quit, I'm just making an observation, not critical analysis

 

 

just use the word ironic correctly in the future, that's all.

 

I did, just in a different context that only I seem to think of. no biggie