Cubs looking @ Ibanez?

[RammyFanny]

I've been waiting for a team to dump Colvin off on...since Seattle seems to want a CF'er i'd do Colvin and Hart if they would.

 

Which they won't.

[Schwarber Fan]

LOL, Pie and a second prospect for Ibanez. When you factor in defense, Pie's probably better than him alone, never mind age, contract, player cost, all that jazz.

 

Exactly... who do the Mariners think they are?

 

F. Hernandez for Marquis plz!

[RammyFanny]

UPDATE

 

The Mariners continue to ask the Mets for pitcher Jon Niese and a second prospect for Raul Ibanez. And unless the price comes down, the Mets plan to pass and wait to see which bats clear waivers in August, according to clubs that have spoken with them.

 

The Cubs, meanwhile, are resisting attempts by Seattle to get Felix Pie and a second prospect for Ibanez. The Cubs almost certainly would be willing to offer a couple of prospects in the Sam Fuld strata. But teams that have spoken with the Cubs say they've shown very little sense of urgency to overpay to add a final piece or two of late.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3511509&name=mlb_trade_deadline

 

Sounds like we're doing the right thing, and will probably give them a take it or leave it offer.

 

For those who missed this on the bottom of the last page.

[haubrich91]

Marquis, Hart, Colvin for Ibanez. Please?

[Little Slide Rooter]

If I had any faith whatsoever in Tyler Colvin, Id say go ahead and trade Pie. Unfortunately, I dont, and Pie has started doing great in Iowa.

[RammyFanny]

Can anyone tell me what time the deadline is in Chicago time tommorrow?

[anabiono]

Can anyone tell me what time the deadline is in Chicago time tommorrow?

 

2 p.m. i believe

[JeffH]

Can anyone tell me what time the deadline is in Chicago time tommorrow?

 

Not sure, but the last couple years it's been 3 p.m. CT.

[anabiono]

oh that's right

 

man...i have been so slow for the past couple of days

 

alcohol withdraw i suppose

[Amie]

There must really be something we don't know about Dunn, for him to evidently have little to no takers out there. Either the asking price is through the roof, he's injured, he's a "clubhouse cancer", he's slept with every GM's wife, he's not even truly available or something else. But, there almost HAS to be something, right?

 

 

OR that lots of baseball teams don't value him correctly. Naw, that couldn't be it.

 

I'd bet its about 75% that, 25% asking price too high.

 

 

The Dunn matter seems mute at this point, as the owner has now taken Dunn and Bronson OFF the market. He wants them there.

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com%2Fblogs%2Fcontent%2Fshared-gen%2Fblogs%2Fdayton%2Fcincinnatireds%2Findex.xml

[RammyFanny]

Thanks.

[anabiono]

bronson = mr. muppet

 

man, i can't stand that guy, glad to see he will be around a little while longer

[Little Slide Rooter]

I say offer up Hoffpauir, Fuld, and Veal and haggle from there.

[Amie]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

Pie will likely be up with the team in September as late inning defensive insurance, barring a trade. I don't think it's a must to beef up the outfield, but I'm intrigued that the Cubs are exploring opportunities to improve.

 

Yeah, as happy as I've been with Edmonds to this point, his nagging injuries are worrying me.

 

It's good to see Hendry and Lou thinking ahead to get insurance for a possible Edmonds collapse. And even if we don't get Ibanez, looking at 120 OPS+ hitters is always a good thing.

 

 

It seems they are thinking just as you are. Edmonds needed a cortisone shot in his knee after Sundays game. Don't forget to that Reed has some preexisting back issues, he needs time off as well. You can't not have a back up when you have 2 players with their histories.

 

Pie is doing well with his new swing hitting in AAA, but how is that against ML pitching?? His defense is great for sure, but he needs to be more mature, hit better, and party less the next time he comes up.

[Amie]

LOL, Pie and a second prospect for Ibanez. When you factor in defense, Pie's probably better than him alone, never mind age, contract, player cost, all that jazz.

 

Talk about robbery, they must be nuts. If they keep that stance, they can stuff it.. [-(

[CubColtPacer]

Ibanez

Dunn

Manny

Bay

 

Folks, these guys are all barely-passable LFs. They ain't RFs, and obviously not CFs.

 

The Cubs have got a LF already, and they're not experimenting with moving him to a new position again.

 

The only acquisition that can possibly make sense would involve a guy that can play CF or RF.

 

meh, if you can play left you can play right

 

In Wrigley? From all accounts of many OF's that have ever played the corners there, that isn't true. RF is much harder to play than LF in that ballpark. I'm not exactly sure why they say that, other then that the sun is much worse on the RF than the LF. Usually Wrigley is seen as a spot where it is RF that is the hardest, CF the second hardest, and LF the easiest to play.

 

As for Ibanez, I would be somewhat interested, but not enough to cover the price. I also don't see those two picks as a guarantee. In fact, the best thing for him personally would be to be a type B free agent, because I'm not sure he's going to receive much interest as a type A.

[biittner77]

If they are going to upgrade, they should make a serious upgrade. If they want statuesque defense they can always run Ward out there without spending anything.

 

Personally, I'd rather go with a Pie/ Johnson platoon if Edmonds is hurt. Pie might not hit much but I'd trade a little CF offense for defense.

[BigbadB]

LOL, Pie and a second prospect for Ibanez. When you factor in defense, Pie's probably better than him alone, never mind age, contract, player cost, all that jazz.

 

Talk about robbery, they must be nuts. If they keep that stance, they can stuff it.. [-(

 

They are under the impression that just because they way overpaid for Bedard, that everyone else should overpay them in return to make up for their original overpayment.

[nilodnayr]

Ibanez

Dunn

Manny

Bay

 

Folks, these guys are all barely-passable LFs. They ain't RFs, and obviously not CFs.

 

The Cubs have got a LF already, and they're not experimenting with moving him to a new position again.

 

The only acquisition that can possibly make sense would involve a guy that can play CF or RF.

 

meh, if you can play left you can play right

 

In Wrigley? From all accounts of many OF's that have ever played the corners there, that isn't true. RF is much harder to play than LF in that ballpark. I'm not exactly sure why they say that, other then that the sun is much worse on the RF than the LF. Usually Wrigley is seen as a spot where it is RF that is the hardest, CF the second hardest, and LF the easiest to play.

 

As for Ibanez, I would be somewhat interested, but not enough to cover the price. I also don't see those two picks as a guarantee. In fact, the best thing for him personally would be to be a type B free agent, because I'm not sure he's going to receive much interest as a type A.

 

I definitely think in Wrigley RF is harder to play than LF, but that doesnt mean that if you are a LF you cant play RF. RF in Wrigley is much much bigger than LF and the well is really deep. The sun really shouldnt be an issue because it sets over the 3rd baseline so unless you take a weird route you shouldn't be looking into it.

[Abe Frohman]

Sam Fuld is untouchable.

[CubColtPacer]

Ibanez

Dunn

Manny

Bay

 

Folks, these guys are all barely-passable LFs. They ain't RFs, and obviously not CFs.

 

The Cubs have got a LF already, and they're not experimenting with moving him to a new position again.

 

The only acquisition that can possibly make sense would involve a guy that can play CF or RF.

 

meh, if you can play left you can play right

 

In Wrigley? From all accounts of many OF's that have ever played the corners there, that isn't true. RF is much harder to play than LF in that ballpark. I'm not exactly sure why they say that, other then that the sun is much worse on the RF than the LF. Usually Wrigley is seen as a spot where it is RF that is the hardest, CF the second hardest, and LF the easiest to play.

 

As for Ibanez, I would be somewhat interested, but not enough to cover the price. I also don't see those two picks as a guarantee. In fact, the best thing for him personally would be to be a type B free agent, because I'm not sure he's going to receive much interest as a type A.

 

I definitely think in Wrigley RF is harder to play than LF, but that doesnt mean that if you are a LF you cant play RF. RF in Wrigley is much much bigger than LF and the well is really deep. The sun really shouldnt be an issue because it sets over the 3rd baseline so unless you take a weird route you shouldn't be looking into it.

 

It perhaps shouldn't be an issue, but it's the first thing that always comes up when talking about RF at Wrigley. The sun in the later parts of the day games makes it so the RF loses track of the ball quite a bit. I happen to agree with you that I don't really understand why it affects the RF and not the LF, but there's plenty of anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

 

I think the transition from LF to RF depends on what skills you are poor at. I won't automatically dismiss Ibanez in RF, because I thought that if Floyd was bad in LF that he would be absolutely horrific in RF, and he really wasn't any worse at that than LF.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Sam Fuld is untouchable.

maybe in the sense that nobody wants to touch him

[Little Slide Rooter]

Sam Fuld is untouchable.

maybe in the sense that nobody wants to touch him

 

all part of Jim Hendrys jedi mind tricks to generate interest in an otherwise worthless player.

[dew1679666265]

It seems they are thinking just as you are. Edmonds needed a cortisone shot in his knee after Sundays game. Don't forget to that Reed has some preexisting back issues, he needs time off as well. You can't not have a back up when you have 2 players with their histories.

 

Pie is doing well with his new swing hitting in AAA, but how is that against ML pitching?? His defense is great for sure, but he needs to be more mature, hit better, and party less the next time he comes up.

 

I wouldn't have a terrible problem with Pie platooning with Reed, but if we could bring in a proven, consistent hitter for the remainder of the season, I'd prefer it.

 

If our option is Coco Crisp or someone of his ilk, though, I'm more than happy with Pie.

 

Just out of curiosity, I've never heard of Pie partying too hard. Where was it you heard that from?

[dew1679666265]

I've been waiting for a team to dump Colvin off on...since Seattle seems to want a CF'er i'd do Colvin and Hart if they would.

 

Which they won't.

 

Colvin is worth - in perceived value alone - far more than a good hitter/terrible defender.

 

I'd give them Sam Fuld and maybe Jose Ceda. Otherwise they get mid-tier pitchers like Kevin Hart and Mitch Adkins or I don't do a deal.

 

Of course, I like Colvin so many on here would think I was an idiot. :D