Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-25-2008

[Guest]

Rain delay for the I-Cubs in Tucson.

[Guest]

Bad first inning for Bristow and now the trainer is out to look at his arm. And he was pulled...he doesn't show signs of discomfort but they're checking his right arm/shoulder.

[Guest]

There seems to be a theme developing tonight.

 

What do Bob Howry, Blake Parker and Zach Ashwood have in common? :(

 

Plus Jose Ceda.

 

(Ceda really pulled a Howry, giving up a solo HR in the top of the 9th of a tie game.)

[craig]

Cal or any of our Peoria friends who may have seen Carillo last year at Peoria, do we know anything about this guy's stuff? He's got an ERA below 3 and a WHIP below 1 as a 21-year-old in high-A. Does he possibly have big-league stuff, or is that just a sub-average stuff control pitcher letting A-ball hitters get themselves out?

 

I know he's not tall, and I recall late two years ago Karen (I think) reported that his fastball wasn't too hot. Being a short kid, he's never seemed very projectible. And while his walks are low, his K's are low, and with a flyball orientation and a fair share of HR's-allowed, he doesn't exactly profile (tonight notwithstanding) as an anti-HR guy.

 

Some luck may factor. For a guy who gives up his share of HR hits, and strikes out rather few, his hits-allowed this season suggest a very unusually low BABIP-against.

 

Just curious if anybody knows much about his stuff or his future potential?

[Guest]

In games Robert Hernandez gives a HR:

 

4 G: 18 IP, 29 H, 20 ER, 16 K/5 BB, 7 HR

10.00 ERA, 14.5 H/9, 3.5 HR/9, 8.00 K/9, 2.5 BB/9

 

In games Robert Hernandez doesn't give up a HR:

 

6 G: 32.2 IP, 18 H, 5 ER, 26 K/10 BB, 0 HR obviously

1.38 ERA, 4.96 H/9, 7.16 K/9, 2.75 BB/9

 

Most pitchers do worse when they don't give up XBH and HRs but it seems so odd that he's so good when he doesn't and how hittable and bad he is when he doesn't. Might have something to do with his curve not coming along as quickly as his change and FB.

[Guest]

Vitters is on a running program and took BP yesterday, he's getting close!

[Guest]

Mark Pawelek just struck out the side. :shock:

 

1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K.

[NCCubFan]

There seems to be a theme developing tonight.

 

What do Bob Howry, Blake Parker and Zach Ashwood have in common? :(

I'll take "Pitchers who blow games" for $1,000, Alex.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Flaherty is 2 for 3 with a walk for Boise. Pawelek had a nice outing as well: 2.2 IP, 1 H, 3 K

[Guest]

Flaherty is 2 for 3 with a walk for Boise. Pawelek had a nice outing as well: 2.2 IP, 1 H, 3 K

 

Sounded like he had good stuff from the way the announcer was talking.

 

(Bristow sounded like he had worse stuff than usual before he called the trainer out.)

[Rob]

Is Pawelek back to being a prospect again?

[TruffleShuffle]

Is Pawelek back to being a prospect again?

 

absolutely not

[karenmac]

Cal or any of our Peoria friends who may have seen Carillo last year at Peoria, do we know anything about this guy's stuff? He's got an ERA below 3 and a WHIP below 1 as a 21-year-old in high-A. Does he possibly have big-league stuff, or is that just a sub-average stuff control pitcher letting A-ball hitters get themselves out?

 

I know he's not tall, and I recall late two years ago Karen (I think) reported that his fastball wasn't too hot. Being a short kid, he's never seemed very projectible. And while his walks are low, his K's are low, and with a flyball orientation and a fair share of HR's-allowed, he doesn't exactly profile (tonight notwithstanding) as an anti-HR guy.

 

Some luck may factor. For a guy who gives up his share of HR hits, and strikes out rather few, his hits-allowed this season suggest a very unusually low BABIP-against.

 

Just curious if anybody knows much about his stuff or his future potential?

 

I'm definitely not smart enough to talk about stuff...but you're correct in remembering that I was the one that was only luke-warm on Carillo. That said, what I remember about him the most is that he was an innings-eater. He wasn't great, but when he started, you knew you weren't going to have to go to the bullpen ultra early (and, trust me, that can be an issue in Peoria!!!). He was usually the 4 or 5 guy in our rotation. That said, it wouldn't be the first time that a player has developed as he's gotten past Peoria. Here's the First Inning info on him.

[craig]

Karen, thanks for you recall on Carillo. Your profile, a guy who can go out every time and eat some innings without getting killed, even if he never looks very impressive, that seems to have been his mode most of this season as well. Until lately, when somehow he's gotten some really good lines, even if he doesn't look that jazzy.

 

As you say, guys can get better. I tend to anticipate improvement from tall lanky "projectible" guys, not from shorter guys. But short guys can get faster too (Gallagher isn't as short as Carillo, but he wasn't a "projectible", and he got a lot faster.) And obviously short guys can tighten their slider and get more consistent with their change as well, or sometimes more easily, than taller guys. So hopefully Carillo's stuff has improved, and really has a chance to be big-league.

 

Obviously he was more steady innings-wise at Peoria than some of those wildmen because his control was better. And obviously kids with good control don't need as much stuff to get results. So hopefully he'll end up better than we think.