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Coach C

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Okay. I consider myself an average fan in terms of stats, and I know my way around in terms of avg. obp. slg. ops. etc. I guess you can call it the basic stuff. What I need to understand better is the tricker sabermetrics, such as VORP, EQA, WARP 1, WARP2 and WARP3, etc.

 

I guess what I am trying to explain is, what is the purpose of those things, along with others that I havent' mentioned on this thread. And FWIW, it's not only just for me, but it's also available for others that may not fully understand the sabermetrics, but may be afraid to ask what it's purpose for, etc.

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Formula's are well and good, as are explanations of what the stats mean, but what's the reasoning behind that formula?

 

basically i think it's an effort to give people one super-stat that measures a player's offensive contributions - it includes baserunning as well. a lot of people think OPS+ is supposed to be that stat, but because of how slugging is defined - most of the time a guy is going to have a higher SLG than a OBP. assuming baserunning is basically equal, a player whose OPS is .800, with a .400 OBP and .400 SLG, is easily more valuable than a player with a .300 OBP and .500 SLG, even though their OPS's are equal.

 

anyway, back on EqA. i think clay davenport created it with the intention that fans who are used to batting average can understand it more easily. an EqA of .260 is league average, and this is generally pretty true for batting average as well. so if a guy has a .350 EqA, he's really awesome, and if he has a .190 EqA, he's really atrocious. it's a pretty awesome stat, and probably my favorite "common" offensive stat to use.

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Okay. I consider myself an average fan in terms of stats, and I know my way around in terms of avg. obp. slg. ops. etc. I guess you can call it the basic stuff. What I need to understand better is the tricker sabermetrics, such as VORP, EQA, WARP 1, WARP2 and WARP3, etc.

 

I guess what I am trying to explain is, what is the purpose of those things, along with others that I havent' mentioned on this thread. And FWIW, it's not only just for me, but it's also available for others that may not fully understand the sabermetrics, but may be afraid to ask what it's purpose for, etc.

 

btw why can't so many baseball writers have this attitude? like "hey i don't know a lot about this stuff, but it sounds interesting and it might enhance my knowledge of the game, and i'd also know more about what folks are talking about, so i'm going to try to learn about it?" i'm glad you're asking - i feel like i know a lot more about the game than i did just a few years ago, and a lot of that is due to reading some of the SABR websites and books by BP and bill james.

 

i'm going to carry the rest of this over into the FJM rants section since i actually have a question about this, but don't want to derail your thread.

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what's the best site to see EqA stats?

 

Baseball Prospectus has it on the individual player pages. If you're looking for league leader type stuff and you don't have a BP subscription, Hardball Times has Gross Production Average(GPA) which is similar(although I'm not sure if it's more like EqA or wOBA).

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Are Hit Batters included in a pitchers WHIP?

 

Nope. Most pitchers probably don't hit enough batters for it to make that big of a difference. If you want to see how much of a difference it would make, take a look at Kerry Wood. He's at 1.007 for the season without HBP. With HBP, he's at 1.141. That's with six hit batsmen in 44.7 IP.

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Are Hit Batters included in a pitchers WHIP?

 

Nope. Most pitchers probably don't hit enough batters for it to make that big of a difference. If you want to see how much of a difference it would make, take a look at Kerry Wood. He's at 1.007 for the season without HBP. With HBP, he's at 1.141. That's with six hit batsmen in 44.7 IP.

 

Thanks grass because I was thinking of it with Wood in mind.

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Are Hit Batters included in a pitchers WHIP?

 

Nope. Most pitchers probably don't hit enough batters for it to make that big of a difference. If you want to see how much of a difference it would make, take a look at Kerry Wood. He's at 1.007 for the season without HBP. With HBP, he's at 1.141. That's with six hit batsmen in 44.7 IP.

 

Thanks grass because I was thinking of it with Wood in mind.

 

Funny thing is that even if you include his HBP this season, his WHIP is still better than any other season in his career.

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What is the best metric to use on a defensive player? I know there's fielding percentages, but sometimes those are flawed....
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What is the best metric to use on a defensive player? I know there's fielding percentages, but sometimes those are flawed....

 

the gold glove voters look at homeruns and rbis

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What is the best metric to use on a defensive player? I know there's fielding percentages, but sometimes those are flawed....

 

the gold glove voters look at homeruns and rbis

 

Of course the most egregious example is Raffy Palmeiro's gold glove in 1999.

 

DH: 135 games

1B: 28 games

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what's the best site to see EqA stats?

 

Baseball Prospectus has it on the individual player pages. If you're looking for league leader type stuff and you don't have a BP subscription, Hardball Times has Gross Production Average(GPA) which is similar(although I'm not sure if it's more like EqA or wOBA).

 

Is wOBA published anywhere? Tango puts some stuff on FTPs somewhere, but does he put wOBA and if so, whats the link?

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I've learned alot about sabr stats from this very site. I'm not affluent in many of them though. Last years playoff series vs. the d-bags made me somewhat despondent from sabr, as everything you could think of favored the Cubs, and there was really no logical reason the Cubs didn't instead sweep the d-bags.

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