Another Classy Sox fan analogy

[Jehrico]

Chicagosports.com[/url]"]But Reinsdorf is realistic enough to know that Chicago baseball fans generally choose one team over the other.

 

"I know," he said. "I've asked a lot of White Sox fans: 'If given the choice of both teams in the playoffs or neither team being in the playoffs, what would you pick?' The answer is usually neither, because, 'I can't take the chance the Cubs might win.' And these are from some fairly intelligent people." …

 

Here's a winner. Even the Sox owner admits that Sox fans are more interested in seeing the Cubs lose than their own team win. I would choose both teams in the playoffs over neither every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. What really gets me is he's apparently getting this answer from the most intelligent people of the Sox fan base. ](*,) ](*,)

[RedVerbs]

Hate is the most powerful emotion.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to being a White Sox fan.

[daske17]

Intelligent Sox fan is a complete oxymoron.

[jyoung55]

Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to being a White Sox fan.

 

 

Much fear in this one I see

[CubbieBum]

Eh I can kind of understand Sox fans thinking. We haven't won in their lifetime (almost definately the case) so they have never exerienced us winning. people fear the unknown and lets be honest when we do eventually win this year there is going to be partying for years to come and we will talk about it forever. Whereas the Whte Sox have on more recently than us so we don't fear them winning as much because we have experienced it before and lived through it so we know we can again. All this said I've always been one to take my chances and have confidence in my team so I would vote for both because I would believe the Cubs would win and even if they didn't the chances of the White Sox winning the WS is small anyways.

[CubbieBum]

Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to being a White Sox fan.

 

 

Much fear in this one I see

 

Be quiet you knee high short person.

[Derwood]

I love that the Sox winning the WS in '05 has actually made Sox fans MORE bitter and hateful (probably because they won the whole thing and no one cared)

[Jehrico]

Eh I can kind of understand Sox fans thinking. We haven't won in their lifetime (almost definately the case) so they have never exerienced us winning. people fear the unknown and lets be honest when we do eventually win this year there is going to be partying for years to come and we will talk about it forever. Whereas the Whte Sox have on more recently than us so we don't fear them winning as much because we have experienced it before and lived through it so we know we can again. All this said I've always been one to take my chances and have confidence in my team so I would vote for both because I would believe the Cubs would win and even if they didn't the chances of the White Sox winning the WS is small anyways.

Not really. I don't know any Cubs fans who would rather lose than see the WSox in the playoffs in 2005 or before. I think most Cubs fans dream situation would be to win it all in a cross town series (though we'll take it any way we can get it, of course...). That didn't change one bit after 2005.

[CubbieBum]

Eh I can kind of understand Sox fans thinking. We haven't won in their lifetime (almost definately the case) so they have never exerienced us winning. people fear the unknown and lets be honest when we do eventually win this year there is going to be partying for years to come and we will talk about it forever. Whereas the Whte Sox have on more recently than us so we don't fear them winning as much because we have experienced it before and lived through it so we know we can again. All this said I've always been one to take my chances and have confidence in my team so I would vote for both because I would believe the Cubs would win and even if they didn't the chances of the White Sox winning the WS is small anyways.

Not really. I don't know any Cubs fans who would rather lose than see the WSox in the playoffs in 2005 or before. I think most Cubs fans dream situation would be to win it all in a cross town series (though we'll take it any way we can get it, of course...). That didn't change one bit after 2005.

 

They had still won more recently than us before 2005 and their team isn't built up as the lovable losers with the whole sports world knowing that we have been losing for a long time.

[Jehrico]

Eh I can kind of understand Sox fans thinking. We haven't won in their lifetime (almost definately the case) so they have never exerienced us winning. people fear the unknown and lets be honest when we do eventually win this year there is going to be partying for years to come and we will talk about it forever. Whereas the Whte Sox have on more recently than us so we don't fear them winning as much because we have experienced it before and lived through it so we know we can again. All this said I've always been one to take my chances and have confidence in my team so I would vote for both because I would believe the Cubs would win and even if they didn't the chances of the White Sox winning the WS is small anyways.

Not really. I don't know any Cubs fans who would rather lose than see the WSox in the playoffs in 2005 or before. I think most Cubs fans dream situation would be to win it all in a cross town series (though we'll take it any way we can get it, of course...). That didn't change one bit after 2005.

 

They had still won more recently than us before 2005 and their team isn't built up as the lovable losers with the whole sports world knowing that we have been losing for a long time.

They won back in 1917 before that. I don't think it would have mattered if their last win before 2005 was 1907 or 1917. Most anyone alive back then is dead either way. If they're so delicate that they would rather have their own team lose than have their impression of us as loveable losers be shattered, well, I don't know what to say except that is pathetic. There's nothing that is the least bit rational or logical to sympatize with in that statement. Even if those circumstances were changed around, I still don't know of any Cubs fans that would rather continue our losing just to see the Sox lose too.

[daske17]

Not really. I don't know any Cubs fans who would rather lose than see the WSox in the playoffs in 2005 or before. I think most Cubs fans dream situation would be to win it all in a cross town series (though we'll take it any way we can get it, of course...). That didn't change one bit after 2005.

 

I'd rather see the Cubs beat a team with historical signifance (Red Sox, Tigers, Yankees) than the White Sox.

 

I'm willing to bet that if it came down to a Cubs/Sox WS, the outcome would cause rioting in Chicago. With the amount of anymosity between the two fan groups, we're talking 68 Democratic Convention riots.

[VanceJergins]

Eh I can kind of understand Sox fans thinking. We haven't won in their lifetime (almost definately the case) so they have never exerienced us winning. people fear the unknown and lets be honest when we do eventually win this year there is going to be partying for years to come and we will talk about it forever. Whereas the Whte Sox have on more recently than us so we don't fear them winning as much because we have experienced it before and lived through it so we know we can again. All this said I've always been one to take my chances and have confidence in my team so I would vote for both because I would believe the Cubs would win and even if they didn't the chances of the White Sox winning the WS is small anyways.

 

That's ridiculous. I didn't like it when the Sox won in 05, but it didn't come anywhere near comparing to the suckitude of not making the playoffs in 04. Not even in the same ballpark. And I had never experienced the Sox winning the World Series before 05.

[BaseballBob]

I love that the Sox winning the WS in '05 has actually made Sox fans MORE bitter and hateful (probably because they won the whole thing and no one cared)

No one cared? 1,750,000 people showed up for the parade on LaSalle Street according to the Police Department making it the largest single gathering of people ever in the history of the city.

[Sammy Sofa]

I love that the Sox winning the WS in '05 has actually made Sox fans MORE bitter and hateful (probably because they won the whole thing and no one cared)

No one cared? 1,750,000 people showed up for the parade on LaSalle Street according to the Police Department making it the largest single gathering of people ever in the history of the city.

 

That's just because it was cleverly announced as "A PARADE FOR CHICAGO'S BASEBALL TEAM!!!" and everyone simply assumed they meant the Cubs.

[BaseballBob]

Not really. I don't know any Cubs fans who would rather lose than see the WSox in the playoffs in 2005 or before. I think most Cubs fans dream situation would be to win it all in a cross town series (though we'll take it any way we can get it, of course...). That didn't change one bit after 2005.

 

I'd rather see the Cubs beat a team with historical signifance (Red Sox, Tigers, Yankees) than the White Sox.

 

I'm willing to bet that if it came down to a Cubs/Sox WS, the outcome would cause rioting in Chicago. With the amount of anymosity between the two fan groups, we're talking 68 Democratic Convention riots.

If the Cubs and Sox were to meet in the World Series this year or any other year, I don't think it would result in any uptick in violence. Most fan fights are fueled by alcohol and I'm sure bars would proclaim which team they are backing so that you won't get too many over served Sox and Cub fans crammed into one space together for a World Series game.

 

I doubt the fans of one team or the other would want to be around a lot of fans of the other team, it would ruin the experience of everyone cheering together a victory.

 

I don't understand the "historical significance" comment. What is the historical significance of the Red Sox, Tigers and Yankees? The Red Sox have not won too many World Series' titles over their history (seven, five of them long before 2004), the Tigers have won four and of the Yankee's 27 titles, 20 came between 1923 and 1962....46+ years ago. The two oldest teams in the American League are the White Sox and Indians-they played each other in the very first American League game back on April 24, 1901. The Indians were knowns as the Cleveland Blues at the time. The White Sox won the AL pennant that year, there was no World Series-postseason games prior to 1903 were considered exhibition games. The World Series games listed in the books from the 1880's and 1890's were among the National League and the American Association League.

 

I would enjoy a Crosstown Classic World Series. It would en El of a series! (I can't take credit for that line-it was used by the media quite a bit during the summer of 1977 when the Sox and Cubs occupied first place longer in their respective divisions than any other MLB team. Neither one, however, was in First on the only day it mattered: October 1st.

[Derwood]

I love that the Sox winning the WS in '05 has actually made Sox fans MORE bitter and hateful (probably because they won the whole thing and no one cared)

No one cared? 1,750,000 people showed up for the parade on LaSalle Street according to the Police Department making it the largest single gathering of people ever in the history of the city.

 

and then the next day, they all got bitter and angry at the Cubs again

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, I don't believe for a second that 1.75 Million people were out there.

[FergieJ31]

Yeah, I don't believe for a second that 1.75 Million people were out there.

 

Yeah that stat is completely bogus. They scheduled the parade through the streets of downtown Chicago, at lunchtime, on a business day. People were walking to / from lunch when a parade happened by, and they contributed to the 1.75M headcount? Utterly ridiculous.

[daske17]

Yeah, but they started the parade at the Cell and wound its way north to LaSalle, eventually ending at Clark and Wacker. I can only speak for the little slice of land that I was caught in, but there were easily 300 people within an eight-foot radius of me.

 

I'm not saying it's exact, but it is probable that they had that many throughout the route.

[daske17]

If the Cubs and Sox were to meet in the World Series this year or any other year, I don't think it would result in any uptick in violence. Most fan fights are fueled by alcohol and I'm sure bars would proclaim which team they are backing so that you won't get too many over served Sox and Cub fans crammed into one space together for a World Series game.

 

I doubt the fans of one team or the other would want to be around a lot of fans of the other team, it would ruin the experience of everyone cheering together a victory.

 

I don't understand the "historical significance" comment. What is the historical significance of the Red Sox, Tigers and Yankees? The Red Sox have not won too many World Series' titles over their history (seven, five of them long before 2004), the Tigers have won four and of the Yankee's 27 titles, 20 came between 1923 and 1962....46+ years ago. The two oldest teams in the American League are the White Sox and Indians-they played each other in the very first American League game back on April 24, 1901. The Indians were knowns as the Cleveland Blues at the time. The White Sox won the AL pennant that year, there was no World Series-postseason games prior to 1903 were considered exhibition games. The World Series games listed in the books from the 1880's and 1890's were among the National League and the American Association League.

 

I would enjoy a Crosstown Classic World Series. It would en El of a series! (I can't take credit for that line-it was used by the media quite a bit during the summer of 1977 when the Sox and Cubs occupied first place longer in their respective divisions than any other MLB team. Neither one, however, was in First on the only day it mattered: October 1st.

 

Then you have much more faith in Chicagoans than I do. Even anecdotal evidence from the series at the Cell this past weekend showed that Sox fans and Cubs fans can only get along for so long before punches are thrown (granted it is the Cell and booze was probably involved).

 

Also, by the very nature of the series, both groups of fans will be around each other in a setting conducive to violence. All you need are a few instigators and a fight would break out eventually. Maybe saying 68-level violence was a bit of hyperbole, but I think it would still be high.

 

As for the historical signifance:

- Red Sox: seen as the Cubs historically as losers.

- Yankees: won the most WS ever. Babe Ruth's called shot.

- Tigers: last team the Cubs met in the WS.

[jiml60]

The Chicago Police Department is notorious for it's overestimating of crowd figures.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, I don't believe for a second that 1.75 Million people were out there.

 

Sounds as accurate as the mayor's recent estimate of the number of homeless in the city.