Re: DeLuca's All-City Team

[Guest]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/1009075,CST-SPT-city17.article

 

 

Personally, I don't even think the Sox should've won the positions they won.

 

Wood's numbers aren't actually worse than Jenks. Jenks has a SLIGHTLY better save percentage and a better ERA, but Woody kills him in WHIP and strikeouts and K/9 and K/BB.

 

Ramirez wins at 2B because the team needs speed? Come on now. The guy has a freaking .324 OBP.

 

Soto is also CLEARLY better at C than AJ Alphabet, despite his recent struggles.

 

I guess the Sox win LF by default.

 

I know none of this means anything, but the justifications they gave for putting some of those Sox players were a joke (as was the reference to Reed Johnson making up for his inadequacies with grittiness). I guess they have to put some Sox players in, though. Meh.

[TruffleShuffle]

on the other hand, theriot should not be ahead of orlando cabrera, unless you're basing the decisions on this season's performance alone.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

on the other hand, theriot should not be ahead of orlando cabrera, unless you're basing the decisions on this season's performance alone.

it seems some of his decisions are based on this past week's performances alone

[Little Slide Rooter]

They were talking about this on the North show this morning. The said Quentin would get right, but only because Sorianos injured. Id agree there. Reed Johnson got center. Id go with Edmonds. The were at a toss up between Dye and Fukudome for RF. Apparetnly, they were only thinking in terms of offense. They gave AJ Catcher only for the experience, but said in years to come Soto would be superior. Then, they never finished because North went off on a rant about some beat writer who pissed him off and they never got on track, or at least not before I got to work. Too bad. I was curious who they would have chosen for 3rd.

[David]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102458

 

LOL of course some Sox fans are pissed that Aramis got picked over Crede. Some. I'll give them credit, as they're not all that stupid (actually, most of them aren't, to be fair). It cracks me up how delusional a lot of Sox fans are with their man-crushes on a completely mediocre 3B like Joe Crede (granted, he's having a solid year so far this year).

 

The other one I don't get is how people just say that AJP is better than Soto because Soto is a rookie, despite the fact that Soto is outperforming him by a mile.

Edited June 17, 2008 by David

[Little Slide Rooter]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1002467,cubsox061208.article

 

Heres the poll. Cubs players are stomping the Sox in every position, of course The Cubs have more fans, so thats part of it, we really do have pretty much every position better with the exception of closer.

[MSG T]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1002467,cubsox061208.article

 

Heres the poll. Cubs players are stomping the Sox in every position, of course The Cubs have more fans, so thats part of it, we really do have pretty much every position better with the exception of closer.

 

And again, if you look at their actual stats, they don't have the better closer.

[OleMissCub]

But Ramirez has the makings for a monster season, hitting .300 with 10 homers and 45 RBI. His defense is underrated.

 

I wouldn't classify that as the "makings of a monster season".

[David]

But Ramirez has the makings for a monster season, hitting .300 with 10 homers and 45 RBI. His defense is underrated.

 

I wouldn't classify that as the "makings of a monster season".

 

 

Especially not when you look at his OBP.

[CubsGM]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102458

 

LOL of course some Sox fans are pissed that Aramis got picked over Crede. Some. I'll give them credit, as they're not all that stupid (actually, most of them aren't, to be fair). It cracks me up how delusional a lot of Sox fans are with their man-crushes on a completely mediocre 3B like Joe Crede (granted, he's having a solid year so far this year).

 

The other one I don't get is how people just say that AJP is better than Soto because Soto is a rookie, despite the fact that Soto is outperforming him by a mile.

LOL they think Ozzie is a better manager than Lou

[CubsGM]

For the rest of the bullpen, I think you'd want mostly Sox players.

 

Closer: Jenks

RH Set up: Marmol

LH Set up: Thornton

RH Middle Relief: Dotel

LH Middle Relief: Logan

Long Relief: Masset

 

The only choice I would quibble with is possibly Fuko over Dye and maybe the Cubs' setup guy over Linebrink. Everything else seems okay.

 

Johnson over Swisher has me shaking my head. Johnson is horrid as a full-time player.

[daske17]

There also was gratuitous use of the terms "grinder," "ballplayer," "grittiness," and "grinder mentality."

 

This is the type of article that makes me think he forgot he needed to write a column and got this in just before deadline. The rationale doesn't always fit the numbers, etc.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Pierzynski over Soto is laughable. Good to see DeLuca is still a complete [expletive].

[RedFlash]

Pierzynski over Soto is laughable. Good to see DeLuca is still a complete [expletive].

 

Agreed. While Soto has slumped, here are AJ and Soto's numbers for 2008, and it's not even close:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=avg&split=0&league=mlb&season=2008&seasonType=2&type=reg&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=c&startDate=null&endDate=null

 

Soto has him beat by 30 points in OBP, 90 points in slg, and 120 points in OPS. The ONLY thinkg AJ has over Soto is batting average.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=9&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=78&sortOrder=true&sortColumn=fieldingPct

 

Not to mention his defensive skills, and Deluca picking AJ over Soto, because Soto has slump in June is a mindnumbing stupid reason. Soto is the better catcher in Chicago, and he goes with AJ.

 

W/E.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

It's bad enough he cherry picks his stats to support his argument, but on top of it he uses worthless crap like Batting Average.

[Flames24Rulz]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102458

 

LOL of course some Sox fans are pissed that Aramis got picked over Crede. Some. I'll give them credit, as they're not all that stupid (actually, most of them aren't, to be fair). It cracks me up how delusional a lot of Sox fans are with their man-crushes on a completely mediocre 3B like Joe Crede (granted, he's having a solid year so far this year).

 

The other one I don't get is how people just say that AJP is better than Soto because Soto is a rookie, despite the fact that Soto is outperforming him by a mile.

LOL they think Ozzie is a better manager than Lou

 

And you think Lou is good?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102458

 

LOL of course some Sox fans are pissed that Aramis got picked over Crede. Some. I'll give them credit, as they're not all that stupid (actually, most of them aren't, to be fair). It cracks me up how delusional a lot of Sox fans are with their man-crushes on a completely mediocre 3B like Joe Crede (granted, he's having a solid year so far this year).

 

The other one I don't get is how people just say that AJP is better than Soto because Soto is a rookie, despite the fact that Soto is outperforming him by a mile.

LOL they think Ozzie is a better manager than Lou

 

And you think Lou is good?

Who really cares to be honest. There are 2 types of managers out there..

 

1) Managers that have little effect on the game

2) Managers that cause their teams to lose more

 

Both Lou and Ozzie are #1's.

[Tyrant]

on the other hand, theriot should not be ahead of orlando cabrera, unless you're basing the decisions on this season's performance alone.

 

Even if you base it off their entire careers, Theriot has a better OPS than Cabrera. He has a huge advantage in OBP.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I think the DeRo snub is the biggest issue there (at least in my eyes). His reasoning for taking Alexi was that his team needed speed? Wow. It's reasoning like this that keeps guys like Scott Podsednik in the majors. I guess he just didn't bother to look at the numbers at all on that one. DeRo may not keep it up all year, but he's playing pretty good right now. Far better than Ramirez is anyway.

[nilodnayr]

Man, I'd like to buy low in Swisher right now.

[TruffleShuffle]

on the other hand, theriot should not be ahead of orlando cabrera, unless you're basing the decisions on this season's performance alone.

 

Even if you base it off their entire careers, Theriot has a better OPS than Cabrera. He has a huge advantage in OBP.

 

and cabrera is a very good fielder at the most important defensive position, whereas theriot is fairly lousy.

[third eye]

on the other hand, theriot should not be ahead of orlando cabrera, unless you're basing the decisions on this season's performance alone.

 

Even if you base it off their entire careers, Theriot has a better OPS than Cabrera. He has a huge advantage in OBP.

 

and cabrera is a very good fielder at the most important defensive position, whereas theriot is fairly lousy.

 

 

Given your defense of Theriot so far this season (seems like you may have some of us eating crow appetizers at the very least), I find your objectivity refreshing.

[RedFlash]

I guess he just didn't bother to look at the numbers at all on that one. DeRo may not keep it up all year, but he's playing pretty good right now. Far better than Ramirez is anyway.

 

Of course he didn't, otherwise, how do you explain his picking of AJ Alphabet and his inferior offensive numbers over Geovany Soto? Its seems to me, he HAD to put a couple of White Sox players on the team, if for nothing else to appease the White Sox fans that read his articles. Otherwise, you can make a strong case that the starters on the All-City team should be all Cubs.

[Tyrant]

on the other hand, theriot should not be ahead of orlando cabrera, unless you're basing the decisions on this season's performance alone.

 

Even if you base it off their entire careers, Theriot has a better OPS than Cabrera. He has a huge advantage in OBP.

 

and cabrera is a very good fielder at the most important defensive position, whereas theriot is fairly lousy.

 

That's fine. But if I had to choose between Theriot and Cabrera over the next few seasons, I'd pick Theriot.

 

I'm not sure I would have said that three months ago.

[CubbieBum]

Catcher is obviously the worst. Soto is arguably the best catcher in the majors this year.

 

After that I say it's a tie between 2b and SS. DeRo is better than Alexi but not by a whole lot and Cabrara is better than Theriot but this season not by much. Theriot can get on base and hit for average but everything else is medicore. He's got pretty good speed but not great, plays servicable defense but is quite limited in the throws he can make. Orlando is an very inconsistent hitter but for a SS isn't too bad at hitting and he has one of the best gloves at SS because right now there isn't a great fielding SS out there.