Big Z has no comment on the signing of Edmonds.

[David]

After skimming the thread, I didn't see it posted but apparently Z did shake Edmonds' hand and called himself immature for railing against Edmonds a couple years ago.

 

Edmonds called it over a long time ago.

 

Sounds like the two have buried the hatchet. With all the work I've had this week, I actually haven't seen Edmonds play yet. Should be interesting this weekend.

 

You won't be seeing much of him this weekend. I'm pretty sure we're facing lefties all three games.

[BudHouse]

When did Carlos become the spokesman for anything besides McDonald's? Isn't this the first season he hasn't acted like a baby? Has he matured? Looks like it to me, but he doesn't speak for the team. For someone who only goes every 5 days, he should just shut his yap and do his job. The leader of the team is Lee, no one else

 

You have some kind of sick vendetta against a couple players on this team; it's pretty ridiculous.

 

First of all, never at any point did anyone, not even Z, say that Zambrano was any kind of spokesman. A reporter heard we signed Edmonds - someone who Z has had 'problems' or whatever with in the past - and asked Zambrano his thoughts about it. He had nothing to say. No one is trying to say he speaks for the team and it's not like Z is going out and trying to be a spokesman.

 

Secondly, how in the world do you know who the leaders of the team are? You just like Derrek Lee and think he's a good player - plus he seems like a nice guy, so he must be the one and only leader of this team, right? I'm not denying that Lee is any of those things, because from everything any of us can tell he is each and every one of them. But the point is, you have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. From the best that I can tell, at least from just watching the team warm up/take BP before the gates open - Z is if nothing else someone that everyone likes. When he walks up to a group they almost immediately change from just sitting there and stretching/talking to smiling and laughing. It looks, at least from an outsider looking in point of view, that he plays a leader role himself. Even if that role is only to keep everyone loose.

 

Long story short - If you want to pick a couple guys to hate, I'd advise you to pick guys that don't seem to be genuinely nice and good at baseball on top of that. You'll have better luck getting your point across.

 

Thanks for the personal attack, ace. But then you must have issues to burn.

 

I don't hate Zambrano. He's just not your everyday leader. A leader on the field has to be an everyday player, who is not a rookie, plays infield and is one of your better players-so he can be there for meetings on the mound. That excludes Soto(rookie), Theriot and DeRosa. That leaves Rameriz and Lee. ARam is not a leader, not the right personality. So that leaves DLee. I consider previous 'leaders' Girardi, Grace, Sandberg.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't hate Zambrano. He's just not your everyday leader. A leader on the field has to be an everyday player, who is not a rookie, plays infield and is one of your better players-so he can be there for meetings on the mound. That excludes Soto(rookie), Theriot and DeRosa. That leaves Rameriz and Lee. ARam is not a leader, not the right personality. So that leaves DLee. I consider previous 'leaders' Girardi, Grace, Sandberg.

everything about that is a load of crap. everything

[BudHouse]

I don't hate Zambrano. He's just not your everyday leader. A leader on the field has to be an everyday player, who is not a rookie, plays infield and is one of your better players-so he can be there for meetings on the mound. That excludes Soto(rookie), Theriot and DeRosa. That leaves Rameriz and Lee. ARam is not a leader, not the right personality. So that leaves DLee. I consider previous 'leaders' Girardi, Grace, Sandberg.

everything about that is a load of crap. everything

 

Care to prove me wrong? It's obvious your management skills need some brushing up on.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't hate Zambrano. He's just not your everyday leader. A leader on the field has to be an everyday player, who is not a rookie, plays infield and is one of your better players-so he can be there for meetings on the mound. That excludes Soto(rookie), Theriot and DeRosa. That leaves Rameriz and Lee. ARam is not a leader, not the right personality. So that leaves DLee. I consider previous 'leaders' Girardi, Grace, Sandberg.

everything about that is a load of crap. everything

 

Care to prove me wrong? It's obvious your management skills need some brushing up on.

as does your logic. why don't you start by proving yourself right first

[fromthestretch]

I don't hate Zambrano. He's just not your everyday leader. A leader on the field has to be an everyday player, who is not a rookie, plays infield and is one of your better players-so he can be there for meetings on the mound. That excludes Soto(rookie), Theriot and DeRosa. That leaves Rameriz and Lee. ARam is not a leader, not the right personality. So that leaves DLee. I consider previous 'leaders' Girardi, Grace, Sandberg.

 

That's a ridiculous set of criteria for defining a leader. Why on earth does a leader need to be there for meetings on the mound? If the pitcher and catcher can't work something out, then the pitching coach or manager needs to be out there.

 

But I see your hidden agenda:

 

I don't hate Zambrano. He's just not your everyday leader. A leader on the field has to be an everyday player, who is not a rookie, plays infield and is one of your better players-so he can be there for meetings on the mound. That excludes Soto(rookie), Theriot and DeRosa. That leaves Rameriz and Lee. ARam is not a leader, not the right personality. So that leaves DLee. I consider previous 'leaders' Girardi, Grace, Sandberg.

[weis21]

Why would a "team leader" (which I'm not even sure really exists in baseball) HAVE to be an infielder? That's just absurd.

[shnsajax]

Why would a "team leader" (which I'm not even sure really exists in baseball) HAVE to be an infielder? That's just absurd.

 

As is every one of his posts.

[BCVM22]

But I see your hidden agenda:

 

I don't hate Zambrano. He's just not your everyday leader. A leader on the field has to be an everyday player, who is not a rookie, plays infield and is one of your better players-so he can be there for meetings on the mound. That excludes Soto(rookie), Theriot and DeRosa. That leaves Rameriz and Lee. ARam is not a leader, not the right personality. So that leaves DLee. I consider previous 'leaders' Girardi, Grace, Sandberg.

 

Gold star.

[Roast]

When did Carlos become the spokesman for anything besides McDonald's? Isn't this the first season he hasn't acted like a baby? Has he matured? Looks like it to me, but he doesn't speak for the team. For someone who only goes every 5 days, he should just shut his yap and do his job. The leader of the team is Lee, no one else

 

You have some kind of sick vendetta against a couple players on this team; it's pretty ridiculous.

 

First of all, never at any point did anyone, not even Z, say that Zambrano was any kind of spokesman. A reporter heard we signed Edmonds - someone who Z has had 'problems' or whatever with in the past - and asked Zambrano his thoughts about it. He had nothing to say. No one is trying to say he speaks for the team and it's not like Z is going out and trying to be a spokesman.

 

Secondly, how in the world do you know who the leaders of the team are? You just like Derrek Lee and think he's a good player - plus he seems like a nice guy, so he must be the one and only leader of this team, right? I'm not denying that Lee is any of those things, because from everything any of us can tell he is each and every one of them. But the point is, you have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. From the best that I can tell, at least from just watching the team warm up/take BP before the gates open - Z is if nothing else someone that everyone likes. When he walks up to a group they almost immediately change from just sitting there and stretching/talking to smiling and laughing. It looks, at least from an outsider looking in point of view, that he plays a leader role himself. Even if that role is only to keep everyone loose.

 

Long story short - If you want to pick a couple guys to hate, I'd advise you to pick guys that don't seem to be genuinely nice and good at baseball on top of that. You'll have better luck getting your point across.

 

Thanks for the personal attack, ace. But then you must have issues to burn.

 

I don't hate Zambrano. He's just not your everyday leader. A leader on the field has to be an everyday player, who is not a rookie, plays infield and is one of your better players-so he can be there for meetings on the mound. That excludes Soto(rookie), Theriot and DeRosa. That leaves Rameriz and Lee. ARam is not a leader, not the right personality. So that leaves DLee. I consider previous 'leaders' Girardi, Grace, Sandberg.

 

No problem, Jack.

 

But regardless, whatever in your mind constitutes a "leader" doesn't really mean anything. Nor do any of our opinions on who a 'leader' is in that clubhouse. The point is you are pulling that nonsense directly out of your backside with absolutely nothing to back it up. You're telling me, then, that someone like Greg Maddux never could have been a "leader" because he didn't play every day? What about Pete Rose, he played the majority of his games in the outfield. How about Hank Aaron? Willie Mays? All of those guys seem like the "leader" type yet none of them (with the exception of Rose for a minority of his games) played the infield with any regularity.

[David]

This whole argument is so unbelievably stupid.

 

The whole notion of some players on a baseball team being leaders is ridiculous. There are good players and bad players. Good players win, bad ones don't. Simple.

 

Even if there's something at all to be said for leadership in the clubhouse (whatever the hell that even is) it wouldn't have a damn thing to do with the positions played by said players. What the hell do leaders do? Play hard and yell motivating stuff in the dugout? Show up to work everyday on time? Give speeches in the middle of losing streaks? What? Even if you buy into all that crap, what does it matter what position said player would play.

 

It's just such a dumb thing to argue about, anyway.

[Shilzzz]

brush up on yr management skills, lol.

[mcgoobs]

I don't hate Zambrano. He's just not your everyday leader. A leader on the field has to be an everyday player, who is not a rookie, plays infield and is one of your better players-so he can be there for meetings on the mound. That excludes Soto(rookie), Theriot and DeRosa. That leaves Rameriz and Lee. ARam is not a leader, not the right personality. So that leaves DLee. I consider previous 'leaders' Girardi, Grace, Sandberg.

 

That is a hilarious post.