Official "My God, can he keep it going?!?" Theriot BandWGN

[Sammy Sofa]

OK, he's clearly hitting out of his mind, and he's not gonna stay at this level, but maybe, MAYBE, he can have a serviceable season.

 

It's not like I want the guy to fail...I've just always expected him to. Hell, I still do in the long run, but if he manages to put together a decent season instead of a crappy one propped up by an insanely good month like last season, more power to him and hopefully bringing some stability that helps remind Lou to start Pie some more.

 

So this is my positive vibes thread to hopefully help Theriot not suck. I'm not sure how it helps...maybe we'll combine voodoo and prayer and some kind of terrifying osmosis to KEEP. THERIOT. GOOD.

 

Make me feast upon a mountain of crow, you insufferable little midget.

[Clem Fandango]

Someone brought it up a while back about him possibly being a serviceable short stop this year and made a good point that Theriot was actually a pretty solid offensive SS last year until he crapped out in September. On August 21st he was hitting .281/.342/.707. That's not incredible by any means but you can't expect Hanley Ramirez numbers out of every shortstop. There's only a handful of elite hitting shortstops in the majors, and everyone else is pretty mediocre. I'd be satisfied with a .280/.340/.700 season from Theriot, I just don't want that kind of offense hitting at the top of the order and that's where I think a big problem lies as far as he is concerned. That kind of hitting is better suited for the 7th or 8th spot in the lineup. Then again it might be good at this juncture to let sleeping dogs lie. The majority of our most productive hitters so far have been in the 5-6-7 hole, while Theriot has typically been at the top. It's weird, I'm glad he's producing, but part of me is expecting massive failure (not that I want it) for him.

 

Here's hoping he keeps it up, "hope" being the key word

Edited April 21, 2008 by The Logan

[Rob]

So far, Ryan Theriot is hitting .302/.371/.429 in 63 AB. Guess which player hit .371/.400/.548 in his first 62 AB with the Cubs?

 

That'd be Neifi Perez. He'd go on to post a .274/.298/.383 the next year.

 

The lesson?

 

Pay very close attention to the sample size. Anybody can hit very well for a month... even the worst hitter in history.

[Sammy Sofa]

So far, Ryan Theriot is hitting .302/.371/.429 in 63 AB. Guess which player hit .371/.400/.548 in his first 62 AB with the Cubs?

 

That'd be Neifi Perez. He'd go on to post a .274/.298/.383 the next year.

 

The lesson?

 

Pay very close attention to the sample size. Anybody can hit very well for a month... even the worst hitter in history.

 

I know, hence why this thread is not built on blind faith, but the idea of magically juryrigging Theriot into a serviceable starter.

[Sammy Sofa]

Someone brought it up a while back about him possibly being a serviceable short stop this year and made a good point that Theriot was actually a pretty solid offensive SS last year until he crapped out in September. On August 21st he was hitting .281/.342/.707. That's not incredible by any means but you can't expect Hanley Ramirez numbers out of every shortstop. There's only a handful of elite hitting shortstops in the majors, and everyone else is pretty mediocre. I'd be satisfied with a .280/.340/.700 season from Theriot, I just don't want that kind of offense hitting at the top of the order and that's where I think a big problem lies as far as he is concerned. That kind of hitting is better suited for the 7th or 8th spot in the lineup. Then again it might be good at this juncture to let sleeping dogs lie. The majority of our most productive hitters so far have been in the 5-6-7 hole, while Theriot has typically been at the top. It's weird, I'm glad he's producing, but part of me is expecting massive failure (not that I want it) for him.

 

Here's hoping he keeps it up, "hope" being the key word

 

His numbers last year were drastically inflated by his one insanely good month, which is what I fear could easily happen agan this year.

 

I DARE YOU TO PROVE US WRONG, TINY CAJUN.

[sneakypower]

That'd be Neifi Perez. He'd go on to post a .274/.298/.383 the next year.

which translated to a 4.7 warp. i'm not trying to be contrarian i just think thats interesting.

[Yeti]

i dont have the #'s to back it up, but teriot seems to flourish when fontinot is around, im too drunk to bother now and too lazy to look it up later, but i think there may be a correlation to those 2 in the lineup togather and them doing better than their normal #'s. maybe they offer each other a lvl of comfort that they dont usually have....i dunno...just a drunken thought.

[javy knows my name]

So far, Ryan Theriot is hitting .302/.371/.429 in 63 AB. Guess which player hit .371/.400/.548 in his first 62 AB with the Cubs?

 

That'd be Neifi Perez. He'd go on to post a .274/.298/.383 the next year.

 

The lesson?

 

Pay very close attention to the sample size. Anybody can hit very well for a month... even the worst hitter in history.

 

All I'm paying attention to is the number of productive pa's we're getting from him. Today I saw him coax a would-be Adam Dunn-esque walk that ended up being an Adam Dunn-esque k. His biggest problem last year, IMO, was his p/pa and if he can fix that this year, there a glimmer of hope that he can turn it around.

[Fred Hornkohl]

i dont have the #'s to back it up, but teriot seems to flourish when fontinot is around, im too drunk to bother now and too lazy to look it up later, but i think there may be a correlation to those 2 in the lineup togather and them doing better than their normal #'s. maybe they offer each other a lvl of comfort that they dont usually have....i dunno...just a drunken thought.

 

While we were in Pittsburgh you insisted that Corey Patterson (.323/.353/.839/1.192 at the time) had finally "figured it out", and was beginning that magical break out year that everyone talks about. In the meantime, Corey's gone 1 for 28, including 0 for Chicago, and dropped that line to .200/.274/.509/.783. Hell, he hasn't had a hit in 9 days !

 

Not gonna draw the logical conclusion here...... leaving it to you. :wink:

[hawkeyecub]

Well of the 6 guys with the most AB's thus far Theriot has the lowest OPS at .893 so how good as he really been?

 

Really though I'm just loving everything the offense has shown thus far and don't want to worry about them all coming back to earth until they actually do. Through 18 games those 6 guys have all drawn at least 8 walks. The approach of nearly this entire lineup has been so refreshing.

I'm not sure if Cedeno has had a better stretch of 20 major league AB's in his career all things considered.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Well of the 6 guys with the most AB's thus far Theriot has the lowest OPS at .893 so how good as he really been?

 

Really though I'm just loving everything the offense has shown thus far and don't want to worry about them all coming back to earth until they actually do. Through 18 games those 6 guys have all drawn at least 8 walks. The approach of nearly this entire lineup has been so refreshing.

I'm not sure if Cedeno has had a better stretch of 20 major league AB's in his career all things considered.

 

They could be coming back to Earth real soon.....

 

03/31 - 04/20      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   RBI%
vs. Cincy         108   23   36    9    0    4   22   14   32  0.333  0.416  0.528  0.944  0.444  4.28   23.7  0.240
vs. Pitts         246   52   77   18    2    6   46   41   37  0.313  0.415  0.476  0.891  0.350  3.84   48.6  0.221
vs. Houst         103   15   31    6    1    4   13    5   12  0.301  0.333  0.495  0.828  0.310  3.34   17.0  0.176
vs. Milw           97   11   20    6    0    4   11   13   22  0.206  0.316  0.392  0.708  0.225  4.26   12.0  0.140
vs. Phila         102   10   21    3    0    4    9    8   18  0.206  0.264  0.353  0.617  0.213  3.96    9.5  0.132

overall           656  111  185   42    3   22  101   81  121  0.282  0.366  0.456  0.822  0.318  3.93  109.5  0.200

[Guest]

03/31 - 04/20      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   RBI%
vs. Cincy         108   23   36    9    0    4   22   14   32  0.333  0.416  0.528  0.944  0.444  4.28   23.7  0.240
vs. Pitts         246   52   77   18    2    6   46   41   37  0.313  0.415  0.476  0.891  0.350  3.84   48.6  0.221
vs. Houst         103   15   31    6    1    4   13    5   12  0.301  0.333  0.495  0.828  0.310  3.34   17.0  0.176
vs. Milw           97   11   20    6    0    4   11   13   22  0.206  0.316  0.392  0.708  0.225  4.26   12.0  0.140
vs. Phila         102   10   21    3    0    4    9    8   18  0.206  0.264  0.353  0.617  0.213  3.96    9.5  0.132

overall           656  111  185   42    3   22  101   81  121  0.282  0.366  0.456  0.822  0.318  3.93  109.5  0.200

Anyone who doesn't believe in the Runs Created stat as an estimator should take a look at that list above. Obviously not 100% on target, but not bad.

[CuseCubFan69]

i dont have the #'s to back it up, but teriot seems to flourish when fontinot is around, im too drunk to bother now and too lazy to look it up later, but i think there may be a correlation to those 2 in the lineup togather and them doing better than their normal #'s. maybe they offer each other a lvl of comfort that they dont usually have....i dunno...just a drunken thought.

 

While we were in Pittsburgh you insisted that Corey Patterson (.323/.353/.839/1.192 at the time) had finally "figured it out", and was beginning that magical break out year that everyone talks about. In the meantime, Corey's gone 1 for 28, including 0 for Chicago, and dropped that line to .200/.274/.509/.783. Hell, he hasn't had a hit in 9 days !

 

Not gonna draw the logical conclusion here...... leaving it to you. :wink:

 

Nothing like kicking a man when he's drunk.

[TheDude]

The majority of our most productive hitters so far have been in the 5-6-7 hole, while Theriot has typically been at the top.

 

Lee and 1.133 OPS wants a word with you. There is no question that Fukudome, DeRosa, and Soto are all hitting above expectations, but Ramirez is not slouching with his .915 OPS either.

 

It's a bit insane right now. The Cubs have 5 names with over .900 OPS, all in the top 40 OPS for all of MLB (6 names in top 26 for the NL).

 

Most amazing though is the percentage contribution coming from walks, which is a new thing for this team. 81 walks in 18 games, are you kidding me?

[Clem Fandango]

The majority of our most productive hitters so far have been in the 5-6-7 hole, while Theriot has typically been at the top.

 

Lee and 1.133 OPS wants a word with you. There is no question that Fukudome, DeRosa, and Soto are all hitting above expectations, but Ramirez is not slouching with his .915 OPS either.

 

Lee? Who is that? Seriously though, I said majority because 3 out of our 4 productive hitters were in the 5-6-7 spots. And Aramis' OPS before yesterdays game was .797. So yeah, the majority of our productive hitters were the 5-6-7 hitters so far this year mostly. Hopefully Aramis is starting to come around to his normal self, and Theriot and Johnson keep playing out of their minds, and we'll have one of the best lineups in baseball (until some players fall back down to earth)

[CuseCubFan69]

The majority of our most productive hitters so far have been in the 5-6-7 hole, while Theriot has typically been at the top.

 

Lee and 1.133 OPS wants a word with you. There is no question that Fukudome, DeRosa, and Soto are all hitting above expectations, but Ramirez is not slouching with his .915 OPS either.

 

It's a bit insane right now. The Cubs have 5 names with over .900 OPS, all in the top 40 OPS for all of MLB (6 names in top 26 for the NL).

 

Most amazing though is the percentage contribution coming from walks, which is a new thing for this team. 81 walks in 18 games, are you kidding me?

 

You see the ball well, you hit the ball hard or walk and it's been a pleasure to watch. I wish Lou and Perry were with the Cubs in 2003.

[Clem Fandango]

Most amazing though is the percentage contribution coming from walks, which is a new thing for this team. 81 walks in 18 games, are you kidding me?

 

Thought I'd add this dream number. Just for funsies, let's say the Cubs average 80 team walks every 20 games. If I did the math correctly (I definitely did not get good grades in it), we'd come out to around 648 walks this season (162/20 x 80?), up 148 walks from last season's 500, which ranked 2nd to last in the NL, while that 648 would've ranked first ladt year in the NL, besting Philadelphia's 641 walks by 7. Also, there were only two teams last year with 600 or more walks, Phillies and Rockies (622). So even if we break 600, we'll likely still be among the Top 5 teams in walks. Insanity

[Fred Hornkohl]

i dont have the #'s to back it up, but teriot seems to flourish when fontinot is around, im too drunk to bother now and too lazy to look it up later, but i think there may be a correlation to those 2 in the lineup togather and them doing better than their normal #'s. maybe they offer each other a lvl of comfort that they dont usually have....i dunno...just a drunken thought.

 

While we were in Pittsburgh you insisted that Corey Patterson (.323/.353/.839/1.192 at the time) had finally "figured it out", and was beginning that magical break out year that everyone talks about. In the meantime, Corey's gone 1 for 28, including 0 for Chicago, and dropped that line to .200/.274/.509/.783. Hell, he hasn't had a hit in 9 days !

 

Not gonna draw the logical conclusion here...... leaving it to you. :wink:

 

Nothing like kicking a man when he's drunk.

 

Hmmm.... I was thinking of it more as firm nudge than a kick. Oh, well.

[CuseCubFan69]

i dont have the #'s to back it up, but teriot seems to flourish when fontinot is around, im too drunk to bother now and too lazy to look it up later, but i think there may be a correlation to those 2 in the lineup togather and them doing better than their normal #'s. maybe they offer each other a lvl of comfort that they dont usually have....i dunno...just a drunken thought.

 

While we were in Pittsburgh you insisted that Corey Patterson (.323/.353/.839/1.192 at the time) had finally "figured it out", and was beginning that magical break out year that everyone talks about. In the meantime, Corey's gone 1 for 28, including 0 for Chicago, and dropped that line to .200/.274/.509/.783. Hell, he hasn't had a hit in 9 days !

 

Not gonna draw the logical conclusion here...... leaving it to you. :wink:

 

Nothing like kicking a man when he's drunk.

 

Hmmm.... I was thinking of it more as firm nudge than a kick. Oh, well.

 

It was a nudge until you started cussing like a sailor!

 

Corey still has a decent isod during that slump which is pretty good for him. Usually when he flatlines, he takes it to the nth division.

[Roast]

 

Make me feast upon a mountain of crow, you insufferable little midget.

Yeah - so that made me laugh far louder than it should have.

[Fred Hornkohl]

i dont have the #'s to back it up, but teriot seems to flourish when fontinot is around, im too drunk to bother now and too lazy to look it up later, but i think there may be a correlation to those 2 in the lineup togather and them doing better than their normal #'s. maybe they offer each other a lvl of comfort that they dont usually have....i dunno...just a drunken thought.

 

While we were in Pittsburgh you insisted that Corey Patterson (.323/.353/.839/1.192 at the time) had finally "figured it out", and was beginning that magical break out year that everyone talks about. In the meantime, Corey's gone 1 for 28, including 0 for Chicago, and dropped that line to .200/.274/.509/.783. Hell, he hasn't had a hit in 9 days !

 

Not gonna draw the logical conclusion here...... leaving it to you. :wink:

 

Nothing like kicking a man when he's drunk.

 

Hmmm.... I was thinking of it more as firm nudge than a kick. Oh, well.

 

It was a nudge until you started cussing like a sailor!

 

Corey still has a decent isod during that slump which is pretty good for him. Usually when he flatlines, he takes it to the nth division.

 

I throw 1 little "Hell" out there, and now I'm "cussing like a sailor" ???? :shock:

 

 

 

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/Hornkohl/Hyperbole.jpg

[CuseCubFan69]

i dont have the #'s to back it up, but teriot seems to flourish when fontinot is around, im too drunk to bother now and too lazy to look it up later, but i think there may be a correlation to those 2 in the lineup togather and them doing better than their normal #'s. maybe they offer each other a lvl of comfort that they dont usually have....i dunno...just a drunken thought.

 

While we were in Pittsburgh you insisted that Corey Patterson (.323/.353/.839/1.192 at the time) had finally "figured it out", and was beginning that magical break out year that everyone talks about. In the meantime, Corey's gone 1 for 28, including 0 for Chicago, and dropped that line to .200/.274/.509/.783. Hell, he hasn't had a hit in 9 days !

 

Not gonna draw the logical conclusion here...... leaving it to you. :wink:

 

Nothing like kicking a man when he's drunk.

 

Hmmm.... I was thinking of it more as firm nudge than a kick. Oh, well.

 

It was a nudge until you started cussing like a sailor!

 

Corey still has a decent isod during that slump which is pretty good for him. Usually when he flatlines, he takes it to the nth division.

 

I throw 1 little "Hell" out there, and now I'm "cussing like a sailor" ???? :shock:

 

 

 

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/Hornkohl/Hyperbole.jpg

 

This is a no hyperbole zone!

[bcl412]

I want Theriot to do well because if he does my chance at a professional baseball career thrives on.

[WilcoFan]

The guy is ridiculously hot, and will cool off. His numbers will drop. HOWEVER, what's significantly more impressive is his at bats. He has become much better at drawing walks, and if he continues to do so (regardless of how much his BABIP levels off), he'll be a very solid option in the lineup.

[CuseCubFan69]

The guy is ridiculously hot, and will cool off. His numbers will drop. HOWEVER, what's significantly more impressive is his at bats. He has become much better at drawing walks, and if he continues to do so (regardless of how much his BABIP levels off), he'll be a very solid option in the lineup.

 

I think because he's seeing the ball well he's going to get more pitchers nibbling but if he does go into a slump, which is probable, pitchers will challenge him a lot more and the walks will drop imo. I'd love to see him keep up a solid isod in a slump.