Rich Hill on thin Ice?

[CubinNY]

Hill wasn't sharp in the first inning, but I thought the umpire was wasn't giving him the high strike either.

[Lefty]

More of the perils of messing with imperfect but effective mechanics at the major league level.

[Sammy Sofa]

Lou is annoying.

[Clem Fandango]

If Lilly has the same problems in his next start, I think he should be moved to the pen to work on whatever it is that's ailing him.

 

This is improbable, Lilly makes good money, thus he can't be moved from the rotation. His 9.something ERA is why we pay him the big bucks! #-o

[Tyrant]

Lou is annoying.

 

Why? Did he remove Hill from the rotation yet?

 

Read his quote again. He doesn't say anything about removing Hill. He just sounds concerned with how Hill is pitching, and that's justified.

[FadeToBolivia]

Yeah Im glad Im not the only one who sees the irony in the kneejerk reaction from some who read one line in a newspaper, draw a conclusion from it, and then accuse Lou of being the one who is "kneejerk."

[C.C.]

Lou is annoying.

 

Why? Did he remove Hill from the rotation yet?

 

Read his quote again. He doesn't say anything about removing Hill. He just sounds concerned with how Hill is pitching, and that's justified.

 

Probably just a motivation tactic.

[C.C.]

If Lilly has the same problems in his next start, I think he should be moved to the pen to work on whatever it is that's ailing him.

 

This is improbable, Lilly makes good money, thus he can't be moved from the rotation. His 9.something ERA is why we pay him the big bucks! #-o

 

Who makes what doesn't make a difference to Lou. This isn't Dusty.

[RynoRules]

If Lilly has the same problems in his next start, I think he should be moved to the pen to work on whatever it is that's ailing him.

 

Agreed - I'd pull Lilly before Hill, but something tells me this has to do with finances more than anything.

[EhDubya]

No team devalues their valuable trading chips better than the Cubs..

[Sammy Sofa]

Lou is annoying.

 

Why? Did he remove Hill from the rotation yet?

 

Read his quote again. He doesn't say anything about removing Hill. He just sounds concerned with how Hill is pitching, and that's justified.

 

It's not just this.

 

Lou isn't Baker...yet. I haven't been terribly impressed with a lot of his managing. Yeah, yeah, "he got the team to the playoffs"...well, so did Dusty. I wasn't thrilled with the Lou signing when it first happened. He's been better than I feared, but nothing special.

[Clem Fandango]

If Lilly has the same problems in his next start, I think he should be moved to the pen to work on whatever it is that's ailing him.

 

This is improbable, Lilly makes good money, thus he can't be moved from the rotation. His 9.something ERA is why we pay him the big bucks! #-o

 

Who makes what doesn't make a difference to Lou. This isn't Dusty.

 

Yes, but it is Jim Hendry

[Jehrico]

If Lilly has the same problems in his next start, I think he should be moved to the pen to work on whatever it is that's ailing him.

 

This is improbable, Lilly makes good money, thus he can't be moved from the rotation. His 9.something ERA is why we pay him the big bucks! #-o

 

Who makes what doesn't make a difference to Lou. This isn't Dusty.

 

Yes, but it is Jim Hendry

And Jim Hendry, by all accounts, has never been the type of GM to micromanage his managers in game decisions like some.

[javy knows my name]

If Lilly has the same problems in his next start, I think he should be moved to the pen to work on whatever it is that's ailing him.

 

This is improbable, Lilly makes good money, thus he can't be moved from the rotation. His 9.something ERA is why we pay him the big bucks! #-o

 

Who makes what doesn't make a difference to Lou. This isn't Dusty.

 

Yes, but it is Jim Hendry

And Jim Hendry, by all accounts, has never been the type of GM to micromanage his managers in game decisions like some.

Yeah, glad he's not like that Beane bum.

[Jehrico]

If Lilly has the same problems in his next start, I think he should be moved to the pen to work on whatever it is that's ailing him.

 

This is improbable, Lilly makes good money, thus he can't be moved from the rotation. His 9.something ERA is why we pay him the big bucks! #-o

 

Who makes what doesn't make a difference to Lou. This isn't Dusty.

 

Yes, but it is Jim Hendry

And Jim Hendry, by all accounts, has never been the type of GM to micromanage his managers in game decisions like some.

Yeah, glad he's not like that Beane bum.

Don't put words in my mouth. I wasn't trying to make any kind of implication that he's a good GM, just pointing out that is *one* fault that he doesn't seem to have.

[Illini Iceman]

hey lilly had 2 bad starts also, let's pull him from the rotation too.

 

Yes, this. We need a knee jerk emoticon around here - until then this one will have to suffice: :roll:

 

 

Why is pulling Lilly any more knee jerk than pulling Hill?

 

Compare the two:

 

Rich Hill: 9 IP, 7 H, 7 BB, 7 K, 5 R, 5.00 ERA.

Ted Lilly: 8.1 IP, 12 H, 2 BB, 5 K, 9 R, 9.72 ERA.

 

In 2005, Lilly has a 5.56 ERA. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he could be bad this year. It's no more kneejerk to want to pull Lilly than it is to pull Hill. In fact, based on two starts, Lilly should be the one pulled.

 

Frankly, I wouldn't pull either one. But I find it funny that everyone assumes Lilly's struggles are a fluke while Hill is doomed and needs to go to AAA.

 

Define "everyone" because actually I haven't seen anyone anywhere say that.

[Bull]

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080411&content_id=2516045&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[RynoRules]

Oy vey. I don't like reading that he is "aiming".

 

I hope this really is just a blip on the screen and he is back in the rotation very soon.

[abuck1220]

hilarioius. yeah, having him pitch out of the pen, something he hasn't done in years, and completely throwing him out of his routine and warmup process is really going to get him back on track. what a stupid organization.

[Geech]

Lou is annoying.

 

Why? Did he remove Hill from the rotation yet?

 

Read his quote again. He doesn't say anything about removing Hill. He just sounds concerned with how Hill is pitching, and that's justified.

 

Yeah, quit being so knee-jerk, guys.

[bring stone back]

hilarioius. yeah, having him pitch out of the pen, something he hasn't done in years, and completely throwing him out of his routine and warmup process is really going to get him back on track. what a stupid organization.

 

What do you expect them to do? Keep throwing him out there every 5th day and watch him melt down again? It's been brought up by him and the organization - Hill has some serious mental/confidence issues and sometimes he's his own worst enemy.

 

This is the smart thing to do. Put him in the bullpen, give him the time and space he needs to correct his issues and let him earn his way back to the rotation. We have a pitcher in the pen who will actually improve the staff until Hill gets back to himself. How again is this a bad thing when the team actually will improve for the short term?

 

Let me guess, you're also one of the guys who complain about Pie getting replaced although Pie looks completely overmatched when he gets his opportunities and Johnson is clearly outplaying him.

[JimSorgi]

hilarioius. yeah, having him pitch out of the pen, something he hasn't done in years, and completely throwing him out of his routine and warmup process is really going to get him back on track. what a stupid organization.

 

What do you expect them to do? Keep throwing him out there every 5th day and watch him melt down again? It's been brought up by him and the organization - Hill has some serious mental/confidence issues and sometimes he's his own worst enemy.

 

This is the smart thing to do. Put him in the bullpen, give him the time and space he needs to correct his issues and let him earn his way back to the rotation. We have a pitcher in the pen who will actually improve the staff until Hill gets back to himself. How again is this a bad thing when the team actually will improve for the short term?

 

Let me guess, you're also one of the guys who complain about Pie getting replaced although Pie looks completely overmatched when he gets his opportunities and Johnson is clearly outplaying him.

No, it is very, very stupid.

[abuck1220]

hilarioius. yeah, having him pitch out of the pen, something he hasn't done in years, and completely throwing him out of his routine and warmup process is really going to get him back on track. what a stupid organization.

 

What do you expect them to do? Keep throwing him out there every 5th day and watch him melt down again? It's been brought up by him and the organization - Hill has some serious mental/confidence issues and sometimes he's his own worst enemy.

 

This is the smart thing to do. Put him in the bullpen, give him the time and space he needs to correct his issues and let him earn his way back to the rotation. We have a pitcher in the pen who will actually improve the staff until Hill gets back to himself. How again is this a bad thing when the team actually will improve for the short term?

 

you act like hill pooped his pants and ate the rosin bag on the mound while walking 22 straight hitters or something. he's had ONE bad start. ONE. now he has "mental issues"? you can tell a guy has mental issues based on watching him throw a baseball? wow, when i think about the great psychological figures of the past few hundred years, i think of freud, bf skinner and bring stone back from nsbb. honestly, that's some great company. let's just hope that, thanks to you, hill gets the psychological help he needs before he kills again.

 

Let me guess, you're also one of the guys who complain about Pie getting replaced although Pie looks completely overmatched when he gets his opportunities and Johnson is clearly outplaying him.

 

gotta love the condescending tone from a guy that can't see the difference between hill, a 28 year old pitcher in his third season (following a season in which he was among the NL leaders in a handful of categories) and pie, a 23 year old outfielder in essentially his first big league season. good call though.

[TruffleShuffle]

this is incredibly idiotic. i didn't think the cubs would be this stupid with hill, again, but here we are. God, why couldn't i root for a team with normal, level-headed, competent people in charge?

[TruffleShuffle]

hilarioius. yeah, having him pitch out of the pen, something he hasn't done in years, and completely throwing him out of his routine and warmup process is really going to get him back on track. what a stupid organization.

 

What do you expect them to do? Keep throwing him out there every 5th day and watch him melt down again? It's been brought up by him and the organization - Hill has some serious mental/confidence issues and sometimes he's his own worst enemy.

 

This is the smart thing to do. Put him in the bullpen, give him the time and space he needs to correct his issues and let him earn his way back to the rotation. We have a pitcher in the pen who will actually improve the staff until Hill gets back to himself. How again is this a bad thing when the team actually will improve for the short term?

 

Let me guess, you're also one of the guys who complain about Pie getting replaced although Pie looks completely overmatched when he gets his opportunities and Johnson is clearly outplaying him.

 

quit while you're ahead. and by "ahead" i mean "way behind."