NHL Playoffs

[jaydee]

Yeah I'd have to call you a homer if you are taking Richards over Crosby.

just a bit

[sneakypower]

btw, i hate the devils, but i am starting to think that sean avery might be the worst person on the face of the earth. what a douche.

wow i really can't believe the reactions to that play. guys like holmstrom do this every game, theyre just less obnoxious and obvious about it. but you hear all these canadian talking heads saying they're embarrassed for the game of hockey, sean avery's family and the entire human race.

 

give me a break.

[Drew Doughty]

lawl, caps get a horse crap goal deflected in by a high stick.

 

not a chance.

 

terrible defensive first period sunk the caps in that game.

 

that's their achilles heel. green isn't very good defensively and neither is jurcina. huet is average too.

 

i thought we were the better team coming into the series and after outplaying washington for at least a period in the first game and then both of the last two games, i can't say my opinion has changed.

 

the flyers were definitely the better team tonight but, imo, they weren't very good in either of the first two games. the caps were awful in game 2 and bad for about 5 minutes in the first period tonight but otherwise it's been a very even series.

 

green has been really bad defensively in this series but he's been okay most of the season. the issue is that morissonn isn't supporting him as well as he was during the regular season. morrisonn has given him free range to pretty do as he pleases in the offensive zone but he's been a little shaky in this series.

 

jurcina is bad, i really wish boudreau would dress eminger over him. jurcina brings nothing to the table at all.

 

on top of that, huet has been pretty bad in this series.

[TruffleShuffle]

btw, i hate the devils, but i am starting to think that sean avery might be the worst person on the face of the earth. what a douche.

wow i really can't believe the reactions to that play. guys like holmstrom do this every game, theyre just less obnoxious and obvious about it. but you hear all these canadian talking heads saying they're embarrassed for the game of hockey, sean avery's family and the entire human race.

 

give me a break.

 

not just that play. he's still talking about brodeur's divorce, 5 years after it happened?

 

avery's a scumbag.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yeah I'd have to call you a homer if you are taking Richards over Crosby.

just a bit

 

meh. i'll take 30 goals, 50 assists, better leadership, defense and checking, plus a 2nd pairing defenseman ($2.5M) over 35-40 goals and 80 assists. call it a matter of preference in terms of resource allocation.

[sneakypower]

btw, i hate the devils, but i am starting to think that sean avery might be the worst person on the face of the earth. what a douche.

wow i really can't believe the reactions to that play. guys like holmstrom do this every game, theyre just less obnoxious and obvious about it. but you hear all these canadian talking heads saying they're embarrassed for the game of hockey, sean avery's family and the entire human race.

 

give me a break.

 

not just that play. he's still talking about brodeur's divorce, 5 years after it happened?

 

avery's a scumbag.

that made me laugh, reminds me of Slapshot where Newman's taunting the goalie

[NewUserName]

btw, i hate the devils, but i am starting to think that sean avery might be the worst person on the face of the earth. what a douche.

wow i really can't believe the reactions to that play. guys like holmstrom do this every game, theyre just less obnoxious and obvious about it. but you hear all these canadian talking heads saying they're embarrassed for the game of hockey, sean avery's family and the entire human race.

 

give me a break.

 

Difference is that Holmstrom faces out and tries to redirect any puck being shot on net. Avery is obviously not trying to do that.

[loukycub]

minnesota is down 4-0 and has officially gone from hockey mode into "send a message for the next game" mode. and between boogard, fedoruk and aaron voros, they have the guys to goon it up.

 

it will always be F-DET

after bertuzzi (and the way they handled the situation) its F-VAN and F-TB

it's getting real close to F-MIN after last night. the third period was nothing other than bush league and if it continues in st. paul, it will be F-MIN.

 

i didn't comment on game 3, but the way i saw the play was that the puck took a funny bounce, negated the icing call, one pass, bang, 2-1 series lead. granted, it never should have gotten to that point, but we better win game 5.

[NewUserName]

Claude Lemiuex says hi to all Avs fans crying about other teams gooning it up.

[TruffleShuffle]

i didn't comment on game 3, but the way i saw the play was that the puck took a funny bounce, negated the icing call, one pass, bang, 2-1 series lead.

 

that might've been how the play happened, but the wild were carrying the play in overtime and earned that win.

[loukycub]

i didn't comment on game 3, but the way i saw the play was that the puck took a funny bounce, negated the icing call, one pass, bang, 2-1 series lead.

 

that might've been how the play happened, but the wild were carrying the play in overtime and earned that win.

 

oh, no doubt about that. the wild may have won in ot anyway (then again so could we) but i just think that considering the way the game had been played to that point, that was a cheap way to end a game.

 

oh yeah, can someone remind me what blowouts in the playoffs the avs were involved in when the goons came out to play in the claude lemieux era? take your beating on the scoreboard, play out the last period, get on the plane and get ready for game 5. if the wild were going to rough it up, they should have done it in the first period when the game was still manageable not in the third when it was well out of hand.

[Drew Doughty]

that puck didn't take a funny hop and jeff finger is an idiot.

[CuseCubFan69]

Claude Lemiuex says hi to all Avs fans crying about other teams gooning it up.

 

Somebody goes after Claude and he turtles like the coward he is.

[jaydee]

Yeah I'd have to call you a homer if you are taking Richards over Crosby.

just a bit

 

meh. i'll take 30 goals, 50 assists, better leadership, defense and checking, plus a 2nd pairing defenseman ($2.5M) over 35-40 goals and 80 assists. call it a matter of preference in terms of resource allocation.

 

Crosby is 3 years younger and already a better all around player. At his peak Crosby will blow Richards away. Crosby doesn't shy away from physical contact, similiar to Forsberg. He is going to be one of the best players in the history of the game. I wouldn't trade him for a marginally above average 1st line center and a #4 dman.

[jaydee]

btw, i hate the devils, but i am starting to think that sean avery might be the worst person on the face of the earth. what a douche.

wow i really can't believe the reactions to that play. guys like holmstrom do this every game, theyre just less obnoxious and obvious about it. but you hear all these canadian talking heads saying they're embarrassed for the game of hockey, sean avery's family and the entire human race.

 

give me a break.

 

not just that play. he's still talking about brodeur's divorce, 5 years after it happened?

 

avery's a scumbag.

 

meh not suprising. happens all the time in hockey. see below

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[TruffleShuffle]

Yeah I'd have to call you a homer if you are taking Richards over Crosby.

just a bit

 

meh. i'll take 30 goals, 50 assists, better leadership, defense and checking, plus a 2nd pairing defenseman ($2.5M) over 35-40 goals and 80 assists. call it a matter of preference in terms of resource allocation.

 

Crosby is 3 years younger and already a better all around player. At his peak Crosby will blow Richards away. Crosby doesn't shy away from physical contact, similiar to Forsberg. He is going to be one of the best players in the history of the game. I wouldn't trade him for a marginally above average 1st line center and a #4 dman.

 

better all around player? you say he doesn't shy away from physical contact, but he certainly doesn't seek it out either. that's not really a criticism, but i see ovechkin get his nose dirty a lot more often than crosby. richards is an excellent defensive forward who is our top penalty killer; crosby doesn't play on the PK at all and is average in terms of backchecking. richards fights and checks more than crosby as well. i'm not saying that richards is a better player; crosby is better because he is so talented offensively. but to say he is a better all-around player is simply wrong, unless you are defining that term differently than i am.

[TruffleShuffle]

well-deserved "marrrrrrrrrty" chant after brodeur bellyflops and fakes and injury after being grazed by jagr's rear end. what a clown.

[TruffleShuffle]

haha avery gets tackled in front of the net, blatant interference goes uncalled. then someone slashes lundquist's stick - no slashing call. devils score on the stickless goalie. classic.

[jaydee]

Yeah I'd have to call you a homer if you are taking Richards over Crosby.

just a bit

 

meh. i'll take 30 goals, 50 assists, better leadership, defense and checking, plus a 2nd pairing defenseman ($2.5M) over 35-40 goals and 80 assists. call it a matter of preference in terms of resource allocation.

 

Crosby is 3 years younger and already a better all around player. At his peak Crosby will blow Richards away. Crosby doesn't shy away from physical contact, similiar to Forsberg. He is going to be one of the best players in the history of the game. I wouldn't trade him for a marginally above average 1st line center and a #4 dman.

 

better all around player? you say he doesn't shy away from physical contact, but he certainly doesn't seek it out either. that's not really a criticism, but i see ovechkin get his nose dirty a lot more often than crosby. richards is an excellent defensive forward who is our top penalty killer; crosby doesn't play on the PK at all and is average in terms of backchecking. richards fights and checks more than crosby as well. i'm not saying that richards is a better player; crosby is better because he is so talented offensively. but to say he is a better all-around player is simply wrong, unless you are defining that term differently than i am.

 

No, he is better all around. Throwing checks and fighting doesn't make someone good. Just because Crosby's role isn't to penalty kill doesn't mean he isn't a good defensive player. He is very good at creating takeways and turnovers from what I've seen, and with his speed and strength will only get better with age. Like I said, Richards is a good player. Put Crosby is a generational talent. No comparison, regardless of a guy playing a different role on his team (PKer etc.). Richards is a good center, but compared to the best centers in the game (Crosby, Thornton, Datsyuk, Malkin) he isn't one of them. I see him as a Marleau type.

[TruffleShuffle]

No, he is better all around. Throwing checks and fighting doesn't make someone good.

 

no, but it's part of being an all-around hockey player.

 

Just because Crosby's role isn't to penalty kill doesn't mean he isn't a good defensive player.

 

you're right. however, he's not a good defensive player.

 

He is very good at creating takeways and turnovers from what I've seen

 

pretty good at this. that makes him a good forechecker, not a good backchecker.

 

Put Crosby is a generational talent.

 

agreed.

 

No comparison, regardless of a guy playing a different role on his team (PKer etc.). Richards is a good center, but compared to the best centers in the game (Crosby, Thornton, Datsyuk, Malkin) he isn't one of them. I see him as a Marleau type.

 

marleau doesn't play physical and isn't as good defensively as richards. thornton and datsyuk are good for about 15-20 points more than richards over an 82 game season, and I think he does enough in other aspects to be as good overall as them. i'm not saying that richards is as good overall as crosby or malkin, and maybe that's what you're arguing. I'm saying that richards is good at pretty much every aspect of the game; guys like crosby and malkin are pure scorers who are more average defensively and in terms of checking. overall, they're better though.

[Drew Doughty]

you're right. however, he's not a good defensive player.

 

i don't see how you can say this with a straight face. he's not a selke winner but he's a solid defensive forward. he could kill penalties effectively if need be.

 

Richards is really good, but i wouldn't put him with the elite in the game yet. i'd say he's on the second tier with guys like Marleau or Koivu and so on. That's not a knock on him...but the big thing for me is he has to prove this is really him. Is this a career year or what we can really expect (offensively, defensively i can't see him regressing unless he gets hurt or something).

[Post Count Padder]

The Devils these playoffs make me wish I was 21.

[jaydee]

you're right. however, he's not a good defensive player.

 

i don't see how you can say this with a straight face. he's not a selke winner but he's a solid defensive forward. he could kill penalties effectively if need be.

 

Richards is really good, but i wouldn't put him with the elite in the game yet. i'd say he's on the second tier with guys like Marleau or Koivu and so on. That's not a knock on him...but the big thing for me is he has to prove this is really him. Is this a career year or what we can really expect (offensively, defensively i can't see him regressing unless he gets hurt or something).

 

Pretty much. And some guys like Crosby just aren't asked to PK because their ice time would be better used towards creating offense. Being a good penalty killer isn't very hard - it is something that anyone with good hockey sense, the ability to learn a system, and above average speed and strength can accomplish. Being a great defensive player in my opinion is embodied by Samuel Pahlsson. For and away the best defensive player in the game. Of course he won't win the Selke ever because the Selke is given to "the best two way forward who can kind of play some D but puts up at least 55 or so points" not the best defensive forward.

[TruffleShuffle]

you're right. however, he's not a good defensive player.

 

i don't see how you can say this with a straight face. he's not a selke winner but he's a solid defensive forward. he could kill penalties effectively if need be.

 

Richards is really good, but i wouldn't put him with the elite in the game yet. i'd say he's on the second tier with guys like Marleau or Koivu and so on. That's not a knock on him...but the big thing for me is he has to prove this is really him. Is this a career year or what we can really expect (offensively, defensively i can't see him regressing unless he gets hurt or something).

 

fair enough. i don't think this year will be a fluke offensively unless he stops getting first-line or second-line minutes, which is unlikely given that he frequently matches up against the other team's top forwards, who play 20 minutes a night.

[sneakypower]

getting pushed into the goalie constitutes goaltender interference?