IF you had to trade a veteran who would it be?

[JimSorgi]

he's just not as good as people on here think he is. although i'm not sure hanley ramirez is even as good as people on here think khalil greene is. he'd present an upgrade at the position of course, but no point in doing so if you're going to make the team worse in other areas. but seeing as i don't own all of his baseball cards and daydream about his long blonde locks i must hate the guy.

I don't think you've seen his away numbers.

you'd be mistaken

So...what don't you like about a .840 OPS?

[imb]

he's just not as good as people on here think he is. although i'm not sure hanley ramirez is even as good as people on here think khalil greene is. he'd present an upgrade at the position of course, but no point in doing so if you're going to make the team worse in other areas. but seeing as i don't own all of his baseball cards and daydream about his long blonde locks i must hate the guy.

 

I agree with you. I don't think people are overestimating him to the extent that you do, but people definitely have tunnel vision on him.

[sneakypower]

he's just not as good as people on here think he is. although i'm not sure hanley ramirez is even as good as people on here think khalil greene is. he'd present an upgrade at the position of course, but no point in doing so if you're going to make the team worse in other areas. but seeing as i don't own all of his baseball cards and daydream about his long blonde locks i must hate the guy.

I don't think you've seen his away numbers.

you'd be mistaken

So...what don't you like about a .840 OPS?

that he only has that for half of his games.

 

there's so many intellectual allowances that people are making with the home/away splits for him. murton OPSed .260 points better on the road last year. so why isn't every team trying to get him out of wrigley field, where his production is obviously being thwarted? oh wait, he was +210 pts for his home OPS in 06. for what it's worth, derrek lee slugged .632 at home last year and sub .400 on the road. you look throughout baseball, and you don't see a whole lot of consistent year-to-year consistency in the splits. it seems most people have drawn the conclusion from no consistent year to year patterns in the BABIP and clutch hitting splits that they're flukey things. this has little difference. petco being a cavernous park helps people see past the inconsistencies evident in the splits though. and if we're to assume that the splits are legit, then we should trade the world for likely 60 2B & 40 HR slugger adrian gonzalez first and foremost. and there's the whole money thing.

 

a gross misunderstanding of correlation vs causation is present in the khalil infatuation and road stats. josh barfield's certainly didn't translate.

[TruffleShuffle]

there's so many intellectual allowances that people are making with the home/away splits for him. murton OPSed .260 points better on the road last year. so why isn't every team trying to get him out of wrigley field, where his production is obviously being thwarted? oh wait, he was +210 pts for his home OPS in 06. for what it's worth, derrek lee slugged .632 at home last year and sub .400 on the road.

 

the problem here is that you're talking about year-to-year flukes. greene has been way, way better away than at home every year since he started playing in san diego. he's had about 1100 PAs home and away, and the difference in OPS is 200 points.

 

put it this way. todd helton's home OPS is 1.128 over the course of his career, and his road OPS is .885. If you played for an offense-neutral park and were to trade for him during a year where he is pretty much at his career averages, wouldn't you expect his OPS to be closer to .885 than to 1.128? Now everyone would say "of course, but that's because Todd Helton plays at a mile above sea level," but the past 2-3 years, San Diego has been as much of a pitcher's park as Colorado has been a hitter's park. Earlier in Helton's career, Colorado was a more extreme park toward hitters than San Diego is toward pitchers, but the fact remains that San Diego is the best pitcher's park in baseball, by a pretty significant margin. Add to that the fact that Greene's game - fly balls and hitting for power - is affected very adversely by the heavy marine air and deep outfield of Petco. So if you're trading for Khalil Green, I think you can have a pretty high level of confidence that he'll be at or very slightly below his career road OPS, rather than near his overall career OPS.

[spineguy]

THIS IS WHY I HATE ALFONSO

10TH INNING THERIOT ON 2ND NO OUT...

BUNT HIM TO 3RD, THEN SAC FLY HIM IN

CUBS ESCAPE THE NIGHTMARE COLLAPSE...

 

I KNOW ALFONSO WILL BE HITTING 35+ HOMERUN'S

BUT FOR GODS SAKE PLAY SMART AND EARN YOUR $

[CyHawk_Cub]

THIS IS WHY I HATE ALFONSO

10TH INNING THERIOT ON 2ND NO OUT...

BUNT HIM TO 3RD, THEN SAC FLY HIM IN

CUBS ESCAPE THE NIGHTMARE COLLAPSE...

I KNOW ALFONSO WILL BE HITTING 35+ HOMERUN'S

BUT FOR GODS SAKE PLAY SMART AND EARN YOUR $

 

I highly doubt that HR prognostication...

[hardcorecubfan]

considering we have a thread that discusses our disdain for Theriot (nice guy but) I guess he now can be considered a veteran. Marquis as well adios

[NCCubFan]

THIS IS WHY I HATE ALFONSO

10TH INNING THERIOT ON 2ND NO OUT...

BUNT HIM TO 3RD, THEN SAC FLY HIM IN

CUBS ESCAPE THE NIGHTMARE COLLAPSE...

 

I KNOW ALFONSO WILL BE HITTING 35+ HOMERUN'S

BUT FOR GODS SAKE PLAY SMART AND EARN YOUR $

YOU DON'T NEED TO SHOUT.