More Cubbie Cuts

[Roast]

Let's put it this way, you have the process all wrong. It's not like Allstate or whoever would just walk up to Sam Zell and hand him $40 million dollars and he walks away. The point of selling the naming rights is to increase the revenue stream, thus increasing the sale value of the team. The money comes in over time, not all at once, and not directly to Sam Zell (though as owner, he has a right to do whatever he wants, whether you or I or anyone we know likes it or not). Baseball is a business, and will always be a business. When business is good, it's usually reflected on the field.

 

To place demands like "if they call this place Tampon Park it better be in exchange for a WS" is simply ludicrous. If it was a matter just spending more money, the Yankees would win every year.

I understand that, at least the baseball being a business part. What I was trying to say was, unless the company was paying annually, the new owner probably wouldn't see any of the money from the naming rights deal. For instance, if Sears signed a 4 year contract @ 10 mil per year for the stadium naming rights, that money would go to the current owner of the team. Which would increase their sale value some, sure, but when the new owner bough the team they would not directly see 40 million dollars from the deal. Therefore, it's unlikely selling the naming rights would result in any kind of change in what we see on the field.

 

Also, the "when business is good, it's usually reflected on the field" part seems to be just plain untrue. You said it yourself two sentences later - More money doesn't mean a better team. Hell, look at us. We have one of the higher payrolls in all of baseball and we've made the playoffs three times in the past decade. Basically, you proved exactly what I was trying to say with that last sentence. I said IF selling the naming rights meant a world series title - then hell yes, sign me up. But as you and I both know, that's not the way it is.

[SABR Gamer]

Let's put it this way, you have the process all wrong. It's not like Allstate or whoever would just walk up to Sam Zell and hand him $40 million dollars and he walks away. The point of selling the naming rights is to increase the revenue stream, thus increasing the sale value of the team. The money comes in over time, not all at once, and not directly to Sam Zell (though as owner, he has a right to do whatever he wants, whether you or I or anyone we know likes it or not). Baseball is a business, and will always be a business. When business is good, it's usually reflected on the field.

 

To place demands like "if they call this place Tampon Park it better be in exchange for a WS" is simply ludicrous. If it was a matter just spending more money, the Yankees would win every year.

I understand that, at least the baseball being a business part. What I was trying to say was, unless the company was paying annually, the new owner probably wouldn't see any of the money from the naming rights deal. For instance, if Sears signed a 4 year contract @ 10 mil per year for the stadium naming rights, that money would go to the current owner of the team. Which would increase their sale value some, sure, but when the new owner bough the team they would not directly see 40 million dollars from the deal. Therefore, it's unlikely selling the naming rights would result in any kind of change in what we see on the field.

 

Also, the "when business is good, it's usually reflected on the field" part seems to be just plain untrue. You said it yourself two sentences later - More money doesn't mean a better team. Hell, look at us. We have one of the higher payrolls in all of baseball and we've made the playoffs three times in the past decade. Basically, you proved exactly what I was trying to say with that last sentence. I said IF selling the naming rights meant a world series title - then hell yes, sign me up. But as you and I both know, that's not the way it is.

 

More money spent the right way means a better team. Sure the Cubs spend a lot but the guy spending it is an idiot so he doesn't spend it wisely, thats why we get pretty bad results for how much we spend.

[wvcbxl]

Sean needed to be sent back so that he can get some innings and I would've to think that hopefully the Cubs have given up the idea of using him out of the pen. I would also have to say that even though Sean said it wasn't affecting him that with all the questions and rumors about the trade that it was. I had a great conversation with Sean after he had gotten the news and it was expected and I told him to just concentrate on pitching and things you can control.

 

Sorry to bring the thread back on topic; I agree that this is actually a good thing for Sean, because it confirms that he is considered a starting pitcher, and because he can't get the appropriate work needed for that job in major league camp, he is being assigned to a position where he can.

I would personnally prefer someone like Sean as insurance in Iowa to any other option at the moment.

[seanimal]

I understand that, at least the baseball being a business part. What I was trying to say was, unless the company was paying annually, the new owner probably wouldn't see any of the money from the naming rights deal. For instance, if Sears signed a 4 year contract @ 10 mil per year for the stadium naming rights, that money would go to the current owner of the team. Which would increase their sale value some, sure, but when the new owner bough the team they would not directly see 40 million dollars from the deal. Therefore, it's unlikely selling the naming rights would result in any kind of change in what we see on the field.

 

That makes no sense. It's akin to suggesting that if the team was sold on June 1st, Sam Zell would get to keep all the ticket revenue, including season ticket monies. Duh, that's not what happens. The new owner is essentially purchasing the rights to all revenue, of which name deal money is a part. It'd be like if Sam Zell sold the team, and then after he got his check was like "oh yeah btw, i'm taking the safe that has all the money with me".

 

Also, the "when business is good, it's usually reflected on the field" part seems to be just plain untrue. You said it yourself two sentences later - More money doesn't mean a better team. Hell, look at us. We have one of the higher payrolls in all of baseball and we've made the playoffs three times in the past decade. Basically, you proved exactly what I was trying to say with that last sentence. I said IF selling the naming rights meant a world series title - then hell yes, sign me up. But as you and I both know, that's not the way it is.

 

Again, no sense. First, those two sentences you're quoting don't contradict each other. The Cleveland Indians are doing well. They're not doing well by Yankees standards, but their resurgence in the 90's reinvigorated their fan base who began showing up to games and allowed the team to invest heavily in developing players so they wouldn't have to compete in the FA market. That is entirely different from the notion that by virtue of SPENDING a bunch of money, that you're going to have a good team. As I said before/elsewhere, the Cubs payroll dwarfs Cleveland's. But Cleveland is a superior team (in a superior division in a superior league).

 

The team we have is a "hey, anything can happen in the playoffs" type of team, rather than an elite baseball club. With the revenue this team brings in, it should be elite. But it's not. We can't even be totally sure we'll win the division, much less get to the World Series.

 

But I digress. Sam Zell isn't the villain you're trying so hard to make him out to be. Yeah sure, he's kind of a wanker, but really, that's of no consequence. The selling of the naming rights isn't 40 mil in his pocket. It's revenue for the team, the spending of which he really doesn't provide much input for, beyond final say.

 

(this discussion should be moved somewhere probably, as it has nothing to do with rosters)

[Roast]

 

More money spent the right way means a better team.

Well, of course. Problem is,most of the GM's in baseball would spend the exact same way hendry does - or worse. Hell, look at the contract Pierre got last year as proof. Or GMJ. As dumb as it is, in this league more money doesn't mean better teams. Either way though, back on topic.

 

 

Go gallhager.