Homeruns or OBP?

[treebird]

this isn't the best way to do this, but if you put each of those guys into the lineup analysis tool at baseball musings, and put them in lineups with 8 league average players (338 obp, 423 slg), the ideal lineup for each will give you this result:

 

obp man = 6.43 r/g

slg man = 5.56 r/g

[CubColtPacer]

this isn't the best way to do this, but if you put each of those guys into the lineup analysis tool at baseball musings, and put them in lineups with 8 league average players (338 obp, 423 slg), the ideal lineup for each will give you this result:

 

obp man = 6.43 r/g

slg man = 5.56 r/g

 

Of course, that kind of proves to me that the lineup analyzer is not good. If you plug in the 8 exact same players and the OBP guy, I find that if you put the OBP guy in the 9 spot, you'll score 6.295 runs per game. If you put him in the 6 spot, that same lineup will only score 5.203 runs per game.

 

If the 8 other players are the exact same, why would putting your best player in the 6 spot result in over a run less per game than putting him in the 9 spot? There's absolutely no way that can be true. This exercise makes me trust the lineup analyzer a lot less if it makes bad decisions like this.

[treebird]

this isn't the best way to do this, but if you put each of those guys into the lineup analysis tool at baseball musings, and put them in lineups with 8 league average players (338 obp, 423 slg), the ideal lineup for each will give you this result:

 

obp man = 6.43 r/g

slg man = 5.56 r/g

 

Of course, that kind of proves to me that the lineup analyzer is not good. If you plug in the 8 exact same players and the OBP guy, I find that if you put the OBP guy in the 9 spot, you'll score 6.295 runs per game. If you put him in the 6 spot, that same lineup will only score 5.203 runs per game.

 

If the 8 other players are the exact same, why would putting your best player in the 6 spot result in over a run less per game than putting him in the 9 spot? There's absolutely no way that can be true. This exercise makes me trust the lineup analyzer a lot less if it makes bad decisions like this.

 

the obp man gets way fewer plate appearances if you bat him ninth. since he's your only great hitter, that makes a big difference.

[CubColtPacer]

this isn't the best way to do this, but if you put each of those guys into the lineup analysis tool at baseball musings, and put them in lineups with 8 league average players (338 obp, 423 slg), the ideal lineup for each will give you this result:

 

obp man = 6.43 r/g

slg man = 5.56 r/g

 

Of course, that kind of proves to me that the lineup analyzer is not good. If you plug in the 8 exact same players and the OBP guy, I find that if you put the OBP guy in the 9 spot, you'll score 6.295 runs per game. If you put him in the 6 spot, that same lineup will only score 5.203 runs per game.

 

If the 8 other players are the exact same, why would putting your best player in the 6 spot result in over a run less per game than putting him in the 9 spot? There's absolutely no way that can be true. This exercise makes me trust the lineup analyzer a lot less if it makes bad decisions like this.

 

the obp man gets way fewer plate appearances if you bat him ninth. since he's your only great hitter, that makes a big difference.

 

Exactly, which is my big problem. The lineup analyzer says that the OBP man would be much better batting 9th than 6th. How does that happen?

[CyHawk_Cub]

I'd rather have my bases clogged than unclogged, so I voted OBP in this case...

[CyHawk_Cub]

this isn't the best way to do this, but if you put each of those guys into the lineup analysis tool at baseball musings, and put them in lineups with 8 league average players (338 obp, 423 slg), the ideal lineup for each will give you this result:

 

obp man = 6.43 r/g

slg man = 5.56 r/g

 

Of course, that kind of proves to me that the lineup analyzer is not good. If you plug in the 8 exact same players and the OBP guy, I find that if you put the OBP guy in the 9 spot, you'll score 6.295 runs per game. If you put him in the 6 spot, that same lineup will only score 5.203 runs per game.

 

If the 8 other players are the exact same, why would putting your best player in the 6 spot result in over a run less per game than putting him in the 9 spot? There's absolutely no way that can be true. This exercise makes me trust the lineup analyzer a lot less if it makes bad decisions like this.

 

the obp man gets way fewer plate appearances if you bat him ninth. since he's your only great hitter, that makes a big difference.

 

Exactly, which is my big problem. The lineup analyzer says that the OBP man would be much better batting 9th than 6th. How does that happen?

 

Perhap b/c typically a team's best hitters are at the top of the order, so if 9th hitter gets on base, more likely to be driven in...

[CubColtPacer]

this isn't the best way to do this, but if you put each of those guys into the lineup analysis tool at baseball musings, and put them in lineups with 8 league average players (338 obp, 423 slg), the ideal lineup for each will give you this result:

 

obp man = 6.43 r/g

slg man = 5.56 r/g

 

Of course, that kind of proves to me that the lineup analyzer is not good. If you plug in the 8 exact same players and the OBP guy, I find that if you put the OBP guy in the 9 spot, you'll score 6.295 runs per game. If you put him in the 6 spot, that same lineup will only score 5.203 runs per game.

 

If the 8 other players are the exact same, why would putting your best player in the 6 spot result in over a run less per game than putting him in the 9 spot? There's absolutely no way that can be true. This exercise makes me trust the lineup analyzer a lot less if it makes bad decisions like this.

 

the obp man gets way fewer plate appearances if you bat him ninth. since he's your only great hitter, that makes a big difference.

 

Exactly, which is my big problem. The lineup analyzer says that the OBP man would be much better batting 9th than 6th. How does that happen?

 

Perhap b/c typically a team's best hitters are at the top of the order, so if 9th hitter gets on base, more likely to be driven in...

 

but in the scenario we plugged in the other 8 hitters were the exact same.

[CyHawk_Cub]

this isn't the best way to do this, but if you put each of those guys into the lineup analysis tool at baseball musings, and put them in lineups with 8 league average players (338 obp, 423 slg), the ideal lineup for each will give you this result:

 

obp man = 6.43 r/g

slg man = 5.56 r/g

 

Of course, that kind of proves to me that the lineup analyzer is not good. If you plug in the 8 exact same players and the OBP guy, I find that if you put the OBP guy in the 9 spot, you'll score 6.295 runs per game. If you put him in the 6 spot, that same lineup will only score 5.203 runs per game.

 

If the 8 other players are the exact same, why would putting your best player in the 6 spot result in over a run less per game than putting him in the 9 spot? There's absolutely no way that can be true. This exercise makes me trust the lineup analyzer a lot less if it makes bad decisions like this.

 

the obp man gets way fewer plate appearances if you bat him ninth. since he's your only great hitter, that makes a big difference.

 

Exactly, which is my big problem. The lineup analyzer says that the OBP man would be much better batting 9th than 6th. How does that happen?

 

Perhap b/c typically a team's best hitters are at the top of the order, so if 9th hitter gets on base, more likely to be driven in...

 

but in the scenario we plugged in the other 8 hitters were the exact same.

 

Oh...me is not so smrt

[biittner77]

I'll take the pitcher that Ks all 27 batters

[nilodnayr]

According to The Book...

 

Run value of a HR= 1.397

Run value of a K=-.301

Run value of a non-intentional BB=.323

 

So, lets say the players get 5 PAs

 

HR guy=.193

BB guy=1.615

 

Outs are important.

[17 Seconds]

So essentially it's a 1.000 OBP vs. a 1.000 SLG.

 

I'd have to take the perfect OBP.

 

Except with the 1.000 OBP, you have a .000 SLG. (approximately).

 

That's not true. If he walked every at-bat, he wouldn't have a slugging percentage. It would not exist.

 

Which...is the definition of Zero.

 

Incorrect. If a guy doesn't log an at-bat, his slugging percentage can't be zero. It simply doesn't exist. If you say it's zero because he hasn't recorded a hit, then I can just as easily say it's 1.000 (at least) since he hasn't recorded an out. In reality, neither is true.

[TruffleShuffle]

According to The Book...

 

Run value of a HR= 1.397

Run value of a K=-.301

Run value of a non-intentional BB=.323

 

So, lets say the players get 5 PAs

 

HR guy=.193

BB guy=1.615

 

Outs are important.

 

thank you.

 

please make obp win this, people, i am somewhat ashamed of the current tally.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

According to The Book...

 

Run value of a HR= 1.397

Run value of a K=-.301

Run value of a non-intentional BB=.323

 

So, lets say the players get 5 PAs

 

HR guy=.193

BB guy=1.615

 

Outs are important.

why are you suddenly assuming 4 Ks?

[seanimal]

yeah, wouldn't the HR guy be worth .28 or something like that?

[treebird]

this isn't the best way to do this, but if you put each of those guys into the lineup analysis tool at baseball musings, and put them in lineups with 8 league average players (338 obp, 423 slg), the ideal lineup for each will give you this result:

 

obp man = 6.43 r/g

slg man = 5.56 r/g

 

Of course, that kind of proves to me that the lineup analyzer is not good. If you plug in the 8 exact same players and the OBP guy, I find that if you put the OBP guy in the 9 spot, you'll score 6.295 runs per game. If you put him in the 6 spot, that same lineup will only score 5.203 runs per game.

 

If the 8 other players are the exact same, why would putting your best player in the 6 spot result in over a run less per game than putting him in the 9 spot? There's absolutely no way that can be true. This exercise makes me trust the lineup analyzer a lot less if it makes bad decisions like this.

 

the obp man gets way fewer plate appearances if you bat him ninth. since he's your only great hitter, that makes a big difference.

 

Exactly, which is my big problem. The lineup analyzer says that the OBP man would be much better batting 9th than 6th. How does that happen?

 

he won't be better, he'll just get to bat more since he's higher up in the lineup.

 

this isn't difficult.

[CubColtPacer]

this isn't the best way to do this, but if you put each of those guys into the lineup analysis tool at baseball musings, and put them in lineups with 8 league average players (338 obp, 423 slg), the ideal lineup for each will give you this result:

 

obp man = 6.43 r/g

slg man = 5.56 r/g

 

Of course, that kind of proves to me that the lineup analyzer is not good. If you plug in the 8 exact same players and the OBP guy, I find that if you put the OBP guy in the 9 spot, you'll score 6.295 runs per game. If you put him in the 6 spot, that same lineup will only score 5.203 runs per game.

 

If the 8 other players are the exact same, why would putting your best player in the 6 spot result in over a run less per game than putting him in the 9 spot? There's absolutely no way that can be true. This exercise makes me trust the lineup analyzer a lot less if it makes bad decisions like this.

 

the obp man gets way fewer plate appearances if you bat him ninth. since he's your only great hitter, that makes a big difference.

 

Exactly, which is my big problem. The lineup analyzer says that the OBP man would be much better batting 9th than 6th. How does that happen?

 

he won't be better, he'll just get to bat more since he's higher up in the lineup.

 

this isn't difficult.

 

He doesn't get to bat more if he's batting 9th rather than 6th. 6th should be better than 9th, but it's not according to the analyzer. That's why I'm complaining about it. 9th should be the absolute worst spot to bat him in that scenario where the other 8 players are the same, but the analyzer doesn't think that's the case.

 

Read this sentence of mine again..I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying:

 

The analyzer says that if you put the OBP guy in the 9 spot, you'll score 6.295 runs per game. If you put him in the 6 spot, that same lineup will only score 5.203 runs per game.

 

Now tell me how getting the OBP guy less plate appearances by being in the 9 spot scores a full run more per game than getting him more plate appearances.

[JoshiQ]

In what looked to be a blow out for the Homerun guy, OBP makes a comeback. I guess it's pretty much a toss-up then as I've seen good arguments for both sides.

[TruffleShuffle]

i've seen a good argument for one side

 

c'mon obp people, weigh in here

[Bote McBoteface]

I chose the home run guy.

 

But, in thinking about it. What if the home run guy grounds into a double play in all his other at bats or something? I think, looking back, I'd choose the guy who walks.

[JoshiQ]

I didn't mention this, but I kind of figured that the homerun guy would more likely strike out in all of his at bats to make it simpler.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

But if the HR guy flew out in his other AB's, some could result in sac flies or advance a runner.

[TruffleShuffle]

But if the HR guy flew out in his other AB's, some could result in sac flies or advance a runner.

 

it shouldn't matter, the other guy is better.

[imb]

But if the HR guy flew out in his other AB's, some could result in sac flies or advance a runner.

 

it shouldn't matter, the other guy is better.

 

you keep saying it, but i haven't seen you try to prove it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I chose the home run guy.

 

But, in thinking about it. What if the home run guy grounds into a double play in all his other at bats or something? I think, looking back, I'd choose the guy who walks.

what if the guy who walks wanders off 1st base and gets picked off every time?

[TruffleShuffle]

But if the HR guy flew out in his other AB's, some could result in sac flies or advance a runner.

 

it shouldn't matter, the other guy is better.

 

you keep saying it, but i haven't seen you try to prove it.

 

i know, because i don't really know how to prove it.