Aramis Tied To Cockfighting

[frostwyrm]

No, but I do think it's interesting discussion if it can be kept mature.

 

Sorry if it's bad policy to try and create a new thread after one has been locked.

 

But Greg Couch's article about how awful of a human Aramis is really ticked me off

 

Link

 

I'd like him to also write an article about how horrible and sadistic meat companies are that he most likely buys his food from. On the subject of Chickens (and steer), pretty much all meat eating Americans have no moral high ground. God I sound like a PETa person.

 

I've never understood this. Is there really a connection between eating animals and enjoying their pain and death? That would be like Ultimate Fighting fans being okay with cannibalism . . . okay, now I'm using extreme example. But do you see that point?

 

Honestly, there's a disconnect between animal death and meat-eating -- I know this. It's a neccesity that has evolved. We feel better about it having not seen the death or presided over it. I can see the problem with that. But you're bringing morals into it. I think it's nothing more than squeamishness. Saying people who disagree with you are going off on some "moral high ground" can be a pretty easy way to seem like you're right. (not saying you aren't; i just want debate -- and that's a bad argument tactic.)

 

And the "pretty much all meat-eating americans" . . . what's that mean? How are you qualifying those who are logically reconciling this paradox and those who aren't?

 

I'm not even talking about eating them. The point I'm getting at is that before they are killed in whichever manner they are, many live in deplorable, pain and suffering inducing conditions. I honestly don't see the real disconnect between that and cockfighting. Hell, I'd even venture to guess some of those roosters live way better lives (up until the fight at least) than the majority of animals that get to wander through our meat processing industry. So to judge the situation from the American cultural view ends up seeming a bit asinine.

 

Wow. Either you really like cockfighting or you really hate the meat industry. I can't tell which.

[ctcf]

No, but I do think it's interesting discussion if it can be kept mature.

 

Sorry if it's bad policy to try and create a new thread after one has been locked.

 

But Greg Couch's article about how awful of a human Aramis is really ticked me off

 

Link

 

I'd like him to also write an article about how horrible and sadistic meat companies are that he most likely buys his food from. On the subject of Chickens (and steer), pretty much all meat eating Americans have no moral high ground. God I sound like a PETa person.

 

I've never understood this. Is there really a connection between eating animals and enjoying their pain and death? That would be like Ultimate Fighting fans being okay with cannibalism . . . okay, now I'm using extreme example. But do you see that point?

 

Honestly, there's a disconnect between animal death and meat-eating -- I know this. It's a neccesity that has evolved. We feel better about it having not seen the death or presided over it. I can see the problem with that. But you're bringing morals into it. I think it's nothing more than squeamishness. Saying people who disagree with you are going off on some "moral high ground" can be a pretty easy way to seem like you're right. (not saying you aren't; i just want debate -- and that's a bad argument tactic.)

 

And the "pretty much all meat-eating americans" . . . what's that mean? How are you qualifying those who are logically reconciling this paradox and those who aren't?

 

I'm not even talking about eating them. The point I'm getting at is that before they are killed in whichever manner they are, many live in deplorable, pain and suffering inducing conditions. I honestly don't see the real disconnect between that and cockfighting. Hell, I'd even venture to guess some of those roosters live way better lives (up until the fight at least) than the majority of animals that get to wander through our meat processing industry. So to judge the situation from the American cultural view ends up seeming a bit asinine.

 

Wow. Either you really like cockfighting or you really hate the meat industry. I can't tell which.

 

I really hate the meat industry.

[CubinNY]

So your problem is that people get enjoyment out of it?

 

I'm not an idiot, so I know this issue doesn't actually affect me. But, yes, I'm personally annoyed that violence between animals, which is organized and instigated by humans, is seen as entertainment. That watching pain/destruction/death can be fun for someone. Kind of like hearing that a serial killer used to burn insects and kill small animals. Not all violence-enjoyers are on that level, of course, but that's generally what the "enjoyment" of such a thing is, isn't it? Not to sound rude, but isn't that a pretty clear issue someone could have with it?

As crazy as this sounds, I think we have to make a distinction about the activity. We eat chickens. We can pretend that the food in front of us was not previously alive. We can also be ignorant to the fact that the food was pumped so full of antibiotics and growth hormones that it could barley walk. We really don't want to know that it waddled around in its own feces for 6 to 10 weeks then was stuffed into a cage with 20 or 30 other birds as freight. We cannot think about the fact that the end of this life was a beheading.

 

That doesn't change the fact that that's the way we get our meat.

 

We don't eat dogs. Dogs are our pets.

 

I would get no joy from watch cockfighting. I was invited to many while I lived in Jamaica, but it doesn't make those that do bad people.

[frostwyrm]

No, but I do think it's interesting discussion if it can be kept mature.

 

Sorry if it's bad policy to try and create a new thread after one has been locked.

 

But Greg Couch's article about how awful of a human Aramis is really ticked me off

 

Link

 

I'd like him to also write an article about how horrible and sadistic meat companies are that he most likely buys his food from. On the subject of Chickens (and steer), pretty much all meat eating Americans have no moral high ground. God I sound like a PETa person.

 

I've never understood this. Is there really a connection between eating animals and enjoying their pain and death? That would be like Ultimate Fighting fans being okay with cannibalism . . . okay, now I'm using extreme example. But do you see that point?

 

Honestly, there's a disconnect between animal death and meat-eating -- I know this. It's a neccesity that has evolved. We feel better about it having not seen the death or presided over it. I can see the problem with that. But you're bringing morals into it. I think it's nothing more than squeamishness. Saying people who disagree with you are going off on some "moral high ground" can be a pretty easy way to seem like you're right. (not saying you aren't; i just want debate -- and that's a bad argument tactic.)

 

And the "pretty much all meat-eating americans" . . . what's that mean? How are you qualifying those who are logically reconciling this paradox and those who aren't?

 

I'm not even talking about eating them. The point I'm getting at is that before they are killed in whichever manner they are, many live in deplorable, pain and suffering inducing conditions. I honestly don't see the real disconnect between that and cockfighting. Hell, I'd even venture to guess some of those roosters live way better lives (up until the fight at least) than the majority of animals that get to wander through our meat processing industry. So to judge the situation from the American cultural view ends up seeming a bit asinine.

 

Wow. Either you really like cockfighting or you really hate the meat industry. I can't tell which.

 

I really hate the meat industry.

 

Fair enough. I don't like it either.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

So is there a "Little Aramis" ?

http://www.sportech.info/wp-content/upload/littlejerry.jpg

[David]

Rick Morrissey's piece on it today..

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-080214-morrissey-ramirez-[expletive]-fighting,1,6916998.column

 

This might be one of those controversies where it's best to just roll your eyes and move on.

[LeftCoastCubFan]

I was at a bar a few weeks ago and a cat fight broke out. I watched until it turned nasty, then broke it up. I do prefer chick fights to chicken fights. Does that make me a bad person? :twisted:

[Clem Fandango]

Chickens are bred to die one way or the other. Cockfighting is a national past time in these ballplayers' home countries. It's not like he was conducting illegal cockfights in the clubhouse shower after day games.

 

Nobody keeps a chicken as a pet. They are bred for one main purpose only: food. They're gonna get their heads cut off one way or the other.

 

Case closed

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Nobody keeps a chicken as a pet.

not so fast, my friend

 

you'd be surprised how incorrect that statement is

[Clem Fandango]

Nobody keeps a chicken as a pet.

not so fast, my friend

 

you'd be surprised how incorrect that statement is

 

You're right, I live in Alabama I should know the percentages.

 

I guess what I meant to say was "Chickens are hardly considered a household pet."

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd rather watch a cat fight any day.

 

http://cbruen.com/blog/cats_fighting_102006.jpg

[seanimal]

I'd rather watch a cat fight any day.

 

http://www.planebuzz.com/flying-cat-fight.jpg

[David]

awww kittah awww

[Illini Iceman]

Chickens are bred to die one way or the other. Cockfighting is a national past time in these ballplayers' home countries. It's not like he was conducting illegal cockfights in the clubhouse shower after day games.

 

Nobody keeps a chicken as a pet. They are bred for one main purpose only: food. They're gonna get their heads cut off one way or the other.

 

Case closed

 

My favorite part of the Couch article:

 

It’s a little trickier than with Vick, though, isn’t it? We’re talking about another country. And frankly, it bugs me when Americans try to impose our culture on others, as if they’re barbarians.

 

And then he goes on through the rest of the article pretty much doing exactly that.

[USSoccer]

Who flippin' cares.

[CubinNY]

I wonder if Couch saw the report about the wonderful way we treat cattle in this country...

[Derwood]

A bolweevil with a liver complaint vs. a platypus who's a mean drunk