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Those aren't random and I'd have to say he changed my opinion on Blanton completely.

 

 

you bet your ass they are.

 

You didn't answer the question. Are all splits of the players I listed irrelevant splits? This split from Blanton was totally random, and the fact that he was 1st in AL ERA and in bad company on the road ERA, shouldn't cast any aspersions on how good he is?

 

Well let's narrow it down - are the Beckett/Chris Young splits meaningless, and why aren't Greene's splits meaningless?

 

1. You're looking at ERA (AKA you're wasting your time)

2. I don't look at ERA and I had no idea that he led the league in ERA (and I don't care)

3. His splits are fine. Forget about them.

4. He's a good number 3, poor number 2. That's exactly what everyone thinks he is.

5. b/c of 1-4 your Blanton "analysis" -- if it can be called that -- is meaningless.

You seriously drive me nuts sometimes. You have had three posts on this thread and you STILL haven't answered WHY his splits are not a big deal. I can't possibly see why they would not be, but I'm not blessed with your level of genius.

Maybe you could descend long enough to explain this to us lesser forms? Would be appreciated.

 

Let's see......

 

identical strike out rate

identical walk rate

identical ground ball rate

 

ITS AMAZING HE'S THE SAME DAMN PITCHER ON THE ROAD AND AT HOME!

 

 

OMG! OMG! OMG!

 

OH MY GOD CALL THE COPS AND GIVE THEM THE 411!

Splits courtesy of baseball reference and refer to Blanton's career #'s

 I Split          G   GS  GF  W   L   S   CG SHO   IP     ERA    H    R   ER   HR  BB  IBB  SO  HBP
+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+
  Home           48  47   0  22  15   0   4   2  319     3.55  303  134  126  28   79   9  181   4 
  Away           54  51   1  20  19   0   2   0  314.2   4.66  362  174  163  29   88   2  188  10 

I Split          G    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB   CS  Pk   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip sOPS+ tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+----+---+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
  Home           48  1303  1209  134  303  59   5  28   79   9  181   4   4   7   4  28   18   4   2  .251  .297  .377  .674  .273     0    86 Home         
  Away           54  1368  1247  174  362  77   7  29   88   2  188  10   6  17  14  29   22   7   2  .290  .338  .433  .771  .318     0   113 Away

The two biggest impacts the Oakland's home park has are on HR (the dominant factor) and a babip (more fouls become outs, but this is only a few extra outs / year). The splits that matter are the three true outcomes and ground ball %. His HR at home and on the road are nearly identical (and both good), which means that he really hasn't benefited that much from the spacious confines as much as you might think. K's and walks are generally pretty park independent, so the fact that those are close shouldn't be surprising. The main difference driving the ERA gap is babip. As noted above, a few points of this is going to be due to the extra foul ground leading to some extra pop-outs during the year in foul territory. But it's only going to be a few extra outs a year (most of those fouls that go into the stands still turn into outs unless Blanton is facing an entire lineup of Barry Bonds) that the park provides.

 

Blanton doesn't have a high enough K rate to be a #1 or #2. But nobody is claiming he is one.

 

He doesn't walk guys and he suppresses HR quite effectively - at home or on the road. Which means he's not a bad pick as a #3 or #4 starter.

 

btw - Marquis may get just as many grounders, but he also gives up more HR than Blanton, which is a bad downfall for pitchers with low k-rates that allow guys to reach base. He's therefore a bad comp for Blanton.

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For his career, the only difference in Blanton's splits is in BABIP.

Oh sure. You're first, but I explained a lot more detail! :D

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yeah tim reiterated what i said linking to the stats and taking out the mean.

 

but he didnt show the 48%-46% GB ratios from home to away.

That wasn't on B-R.

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For his career, the only difference in Blanton's splits is in BABIP.

Oh sure. You're first, but I explained a lot more detail! :D

 

And in only 2 minutes more, impressive.

I type quickly. :)

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I know. I have them loaded in a spreadsheet. I think I got them off of fangraphs. I can't remember where I got them

They'd be there. I just like quoting from B-R because it fits into a code block here without modification. I'm lazy that way. ;)

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I know. I have them loaded in a spreadsheet. I think I got them off of fangraphs. I can't remember where I got them

They'd be there. I just like quoting from B-R because it fits into a code block here without modification. I'm lazy that way. ;)

 

Date	Team	Opp	GS	W	L	CG	ShO	SV	BS	IP	TBF	H	HR	R	ER	SO	BB	IBB	FB	GB	LD	Stk	Bal	Pit	RS	pLI	WPA
4/3	Athletics	@Mariners	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6.0	23	5	1	4	4	7	0	0	4	9	3	54	27	81	4	0.70	-.126
4/8	Athletics	@Angels	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	5.1	24	5	0	1	1	2	2	0	5	11	4	58	40	98	2	1.28	.166
4/14	Athletics	Yankees	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6.2	27	5	1	3	3	5	3	0	9	6	4	66	44	110	3	1.22	-.002
4/20	Athletics	@Rangers	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	6.0	25	7	0	3	3	7	1	0	3	9	5	64	30	94	10	0.33	.079
4/25	Athletics	Mariners	1	0	1	1	0	0	0	9.0	32	6	2	2	2	6	2	1	10	10	3	71	34	105	0	0.85	.216
5/1	Athletics	@Red Sox	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	29	6	0	4	4	4	2	0	10	7	5	70	36	106	2	0.61	-.127
5/6	Athletics	@Devil Rays	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.1	33	11	1	3	2	6	2	0	9	10	6	76	37	113	5	1.32	.056
5/11	Athletics	Indians	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	26	5	1	2	2	5	0	0	8	9	4	68	31	99	6	0.98	.264
5/16	Athletics	Royals	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	31	5	0	2	2	7	2	1	5	13	4	77	41	118	3	0.98	.226
5/21	Athletics	@White Sox	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	5.1	27	8	0	6	4	4	2	0	9	8	3	64	36	100	3	1.17	-.358
5/27	Athletics	@Orioles	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	6.0	30	10	3	8	8	2	1	0	12	12	3	68	42	110	4	0.89	-.415
6/2	Athletics	Twins	1	1	0	1	1	0	0	9.0	30	3	0	0	0	6	0	0	6	15	3	76	32	108	1	1.19	.770
6/7	Athletics	Red Sox	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	7.1	29	4	1	1	1	2	3	0	8	10	6	70	46	116	0	0.86	.283
6/13	Athletics	@Astros	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	29	8	0	3	3	3	1	0	9	13	3	64	34	98	7	1.13	-.055
6/18	Athletics	Reds	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	29	7	0	1	1	5	0	0	6	14	4	76	30	106	6	0.71	.244
6/23	Athletics	@Mets	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	28	5	0	0	0	6	1	0	6	11	3	69	40	109	0	1.25	.563
6/28	Athletics	@Indians	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6.1	27	6	0	3	3	3	1	0	6	7	9	60	42	102	3	1.20	.188
7/3	Athletics	Blue Jays	1	1	0	1	0	0	0	9.0	31	4	0	1	1	4	1	0	9	14	3	79	42	121	3	1.17	.593
7/8	Athletics	Mariners	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	6.0	30	12	1	6	5	1	0	0	7	15	7	66	26	92	3	1.27	-.429
7/14	Athletics	@Twins	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	7.2	34	10	0	4	4	2	1	0	12	14	4	71	35	106	3	0.88	-.086
7/20	Athletics	Orioles	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	5.2	28	10	0	6	5	3	1	0	9	6	8	69	39	108	0	0.70	-.203
7/25	Athletics	@Angels	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6.0	27	11	0	5	5	3	0	0	6	11	7	62	34	96	3	1.17	-.309
7/30	Athletics	Tigers	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	6.2	28	9	0	5	5	5	0	0	9	9	4	67	43	110	2	1.07	-.176
8/4	Athletics	Angels	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	29	8	0	1	1	0	2	1	8	13	5	68	37	105	2	1.10	.312
8/10	Athletics	@Tigers	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	4.0	21	7	2	9	9	2	1	0	8	5	4	52	23	75	8	0.86	-.474
8/15	Athletics	White Sox	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	26	5	0	0	0	5	0	0	3	13	4	70	30	100	3	1.11	.477
8/20	Athletics	@Blue Jays	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	27	6	0	1	1	6	0	0	4	13	4	69	35	104	6	0.61	.165
8/25	Athletics	@Devil Rays	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	5.0	23	7	1	4	4	5	1	0	7	5	4	67	35	102	0	0.59	-.153
8/31	Athletics	Tigers	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	27	5	0	2	2	6	1	0	7	10	2	62	34	96	4	0.86	.215
9/5	Athletics	@Angels	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	29	6	0	2	2	3	1	0	8	13	4	69	30	99	6	0.93	.266
9/10	Athletics	@Mariners	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	29	8	0	2	2	1	1	0	5	15	6	66	30	96	5	0.75	.175
9/15	Athletics	Rangers	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	26	5	0	3	3	6	1	0	6	7	6	67	32	99	7	0.96	.208
9/21	Athletics	@Indians	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	5.2	29	10	2	4	4	4	3	1	6	10	4	59	47	106	1	1.21	-.142
9/26	Athletics	@Red Sox	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	5.0	27	11	0	5	5	4	3	0	6	7	7	55	38	93	5	1.38	-.299

 

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I know. I have them loaded in a spreadsheet. I think I got them off of fangraphs. I can't remember where I got them

They'd be there. I just like quoting from B-R because it fits into a code block here without modification. I'm lazy that way. ;)

 

Date	Team	Opp	GS	W	L	CG	ShO	SV	BS	IP	TBF	H	HR	R	ER	SO	BB	IBB	FB	GB	LD	Stk	Bal	Pit	RS	pLI	WPA
4/3	Athletics	@Mariners	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6.0	23	5	1	4	4	7	0	0	4	9	3	54	27	81	4	0.70	-.126
4/8	Athletics	@Angels	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	5.1	24	5	0	1	1	2	2	0	5	11	4	58	40	98	2	1.28	.166
4/14	Athletics	Yankees	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6.2	27	5	1	3	3	5	3	0	9	6	4	66	44	110	3	1.22	-.002
4/20	Athletics	@Rangers	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	6.0	25	7	0	3	3	7	1	0	3	9	5	64	30	94	10	0.33	.079
4/25	Athletics	Mariners	1	0	1	1	0	0	0	9.0	32	6	2	2	2	6	2	1	10	10	3	71	34	105	0	0.85	.216
5/1	Athletics	@Red Sox	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	29	6	0	4	4	4	2	0	10	7	5	70	36	106	2	0.61	-.127
5/6	Athletics	@Devil Rays	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.1	33	11	1	3	2	6	2	0	9	10	6	76	37	113	5	1.32	.056
5/11	Athletics	Indians	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	26	5	1	2	2	5	0	0	8	9	4	68	31	99	6	0.98	.264
5/16	Athletics	Royals	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	31	5	0	2	2	7	2	1	5	13	4	77	41	118	3	0.98	.226
5/21	Athletics	@White Sox	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	5.1	27	8	0	6	4	4	2	0	9	8	3	64	36	100	3	1.17	-.358
5/27	Athletics	@Orioles	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	6.0	30	10	3	8	8	2	1	0	12	12	3	68	42	110	4	0.89	-.415
6/2	Athletics	Twins	1	1	0	1	1	0	0	9.0	30	3	0	0	0	6	0	0	6	15	3	76	32	108	1	1.19	.770
6/7	Athletics	Red Sox	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	7.1	29	4	1	1	1	2	3	0	8	10	6	70	46	116	0	0.86	.283
6/13	Athletics	@Astros	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	29	8	0	3	3	3	1	0	9	13	3	64	34	98	7	1.13	-.055
6/18	Athletics	Reds	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	29	7	0	1	1	5	0	0	6	14	4	76	30	106	6	0.71	.244
6/23	Athletics	@Mets	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	28	5	0	0	0	6	1	0	6	11	3	69	40	109	0	1.25	.563
6/28	Athletics	@Indians	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6.1	27	6	0	3	3	3	1	0	6	7	9	60	42	102	3	1.20	.188
7/3	Athletics	Blue Jays	1	1	0	1	0	0	0	9.0	31	4	0	1	1	4	1	0	9	14	3	79	42	121	3	1.17	.593
7/8	Athletics	Mariners	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	6.0	30	12	1	6	5	1	0	0	7	15	7	66	26	92	3	1.27	-.429
7/14	Athletics	@Twins	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	7.2	34	10	0	4	4	2	1	0	12	14	4	71	35	106	3	0.88	-.086
7/20	Athletics	Orioles	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	5.2	28	10	0	6	5	3	1	0	9	6	8	69	39	108	0	0.70	-.203
7/25	Athletics	@Angels	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6.0	27	11	0	5	5	3	0	0	6	11	7	62	34	96	3	1.17	-.309
7/30	Athletics	Tigers	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	6.2	28	9	0	5	5	5	0	0	9	9	4	67	43	110	2	1.07	-.176
8/4	Athletics	Angels	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	29	8	0	1	1	0	2	1	8	13	5	68	37	105	2	1.10	.312
8/10	Athletics	@Tigers	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	4.0	21	7	2	9	9	2	1	0	8	5	4	52	23	75	8	0.86	-.474
8/15	Athletics	White Sox	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	26	5	0	0	0	5	0	0	3	13	4	70	30	100	3	1.11	.477
8/20	Athletics	@Blue Jays	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	27	6	0	1	1	6	0	0	4	13	4	69	35	104	6	0.61	.165
8/25	Athletics	@Devil Rays	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	5.0	23	7	1	4	4	5	1	0	7	5	4	67	35	102	0	0.59	-.153
8/31	Athletics	Tigers	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	27	5	0	2	2	6	1	0	7	10	2	62	34	96	4	0.86	.215
9/5	Athletics	@Angels	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	29	6	0	2	2	3	1	0	8	13	4	69	30	99	6	0.93	.266
9/10	Athletics	@Mariners	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	29	8	0	2	2	1	1	0	5	15	6	66	30	96	5	0.75	.175
9/15	Athletics	Rangers	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	7.0	26	5	0	3	3	6	1	0	6	7	6	67	32	99	7	0.96	.208
9/21	Athletics	@Indians	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	5.2	29	10	2	4	4	4	3	1	6	10	4	59	47	106	1	1.21	-.142
9/26	Athletics	@Red Sox	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	5.0	27	11	0	5	5	4	3	0	6	7	7	55	38	93	5	1.38	-.299

 

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 CarGm TmG Date       Opp DR GmReslt Pitcher Result  IP   H  R ER BB SO HR   ERA  BF Pit Str GmSc IR IS Situat. In/Out Inn Rnr O Scr  SB CS Pk AB 2B 3B IW HB SH SF RE DP
+-----+---+---------+----+--+-------+--------------+----+--+--+--+--+--+--+------+--+---+---+----+--+--+--------------+--------------+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
   69   2 Apr  3    @SEA  - L  4-8  GS-6            6    5  4  4  0  7  1   6.00 23  81  54   53        1b start tie   6b 3 out d 2   0  0  0 23  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   70   7 Apr  8    @LAA  4 W  2-1  GS-6  ,W  1-0   5.1  5  1  1  2  2  0   3.97 24  98  58   54        1b start tie   6b -23 1 a 2   0  0  0 22  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0 
   71  12 Apr 14     NYY  5 L  3-4  GS-7            6.2  5  3  3  3  5  1   4.00 27 110  66   54        1t start tie   7t -2- 2 tie   0  0  0 24  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   72  16 Apr 20    @TEX  5 W 16-4  GS-6  ,W  2-0   6    7  3  3  1  7  0   4.12 25  94  64   52        1b start tie   6b 3 out a 7   0  0  0 24  3  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   73  21 Apr 25     SEA  4 L  0-2  CG 9  ,L  2-1   9    6  2  2  2  6  2   3.55 32 105  71   71        1t start tie   9t 3 out d 2   1  1  0 29  0  0  1  0  1  0  0  2 
   74  26 May  1    @BOS  5 W  5-4  GS-7            7    6  4  4  2  4  0   3.83 29 106  70   51        1b start tie   7b 3 out d 2   3  0  0 25  0  0  0  0  0  2  0  0 
   75  30 May  6    @TBD  4 W  5-3  GS-8  ,W  3-1   7.1 11  3  2  2  6  1   3.61 33 113  76   50        1b start a 1   8b 12- 1 a 2   0  1  0 31  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  2 
   76  34 May 11     CLE  4 W  8-2  GS-7  ,W  4-1   7    5  2  2  0  5  1   3.48 26  99  68   64        1t start tie   8t 1-- 0 a 4   0  0  0 26  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   77  39 May 16     KCR  4 L  3-4  GS-8            8    5  2  2  2  7  0   3.32 31 118  77   69        1t start tie   8t 3 out tie   1  0  1 29  1  0  1  0  0  0  0  0 
   78  44 May 21    @CHW  4 L  5-8  GS-6  ,L  4-2   5.1  8  6  4  2  4  0   3.59 27 100  64   34        1b start tie   6b 1-3 1 d 2   0  0  0 24  1  0  0  0  1  0  1  0 
   79  49 May 27    @BAL  5 L  4-8  GS-6  ,L  4-3   6   10  8  8  1  2  3   4.28 30 110  68   21        1b start tie   6b 3 out d 4   5  0  0 29  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0 
   80  54 Jun  2     MIN  5 W  1-0  SHO9  ,W  5-3   9    3  0  0  0  6  0   3.81 30 108  76   87        1t start tie   9t 3 out a 1   0  0  0 30  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   81  59 Jun  7     BOS  4 L  0-1  GS-8  ,L  5-4   7.1  4  1  1  3  2  1   3.60 29 122  73   65        1t start tie   8t 1-- 1 d 1   0  0  0 26  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   82  64 Jun 13    @HOU  5 W  7-3  GS-7  ,W  6-4   7    8  3  3  1  3  0   3.62 29  98  64   51        1b start tie   7b 3 out d 1   0  0  0 28  6  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   83  69 Jun 18     CIN  4 W  6-1  GS-8  ,W  7-4   8    7  1  1  0  5  0   3.43 29 106  76   69        1t start tie   8t 3 out a 5   0  0  1 29  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  2 
   84  73 Jun 23    @NYM  4 L  0-1  GS-8            8    5  0  0  1  6  0   3.19 28 107  67   77        1b start tie   8b 3 out tie   0  0  0 27  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   85  78 Jun 28    @CLE  4 L  3-4  GS-7            6.1  6  3  3  1  3  0   3.24 27 102  60   51        1b start a 1   7b 12- 1 a 2   2  0  0 25  2  0  0  1  0  0  0  0 
   86  83 Jul  3     TOR  4 W  3-1  CG 9  ,W  8-4   9    4  1  1  1  4  0   3.09 31 122  79   78        1t start tie   9t 3 out a 2   1  0  0 30  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   87  88 Jul  8     SEA  4 L  3-7  GS-6  ,L  8-5   6   12  6  5  0  1  1   3.28 30  92  66   27        1t start tie   7t --3 0 d 2   0  0  0 30  1  1  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   88  91 Jul 14    @MIN  5 L  3-4  GS-8  ,L  8-6   7.2 10  4  4  1  2  0   3.36 34 106  71   44        1b start tie   8b 12- 2 d 1   2  1  0 32  2  1  0  0  0  1  1  0 
+-----+---+---------+----+--+-------+--------------+----+--+--+--+--+--+--+------+--+---+---+----+--+--+--------------+--------------+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
CarGm TmG Date       Opp DR GmReslt Pitcher Result  IP   H  R ER BB SO HR   ERA  BF Pit Str GmSc IR IS Situat. In/Out Inn Rnr O Scr  SB CS Pk AB 2B 3B IW HB SH SF RE DP
+-----+---+---------+----+--+-------+--------------+----+--+--+--+--+--+--+------+--+---+---+----+--+--+--------------+--------------+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
   89  96 Jul 20     BAL  5 L  1-6  GS-6  ,L  8-7   5.2 10  6  5  1  3  0   3.53 28 108  69   29        1t start tie   6t -2- 2 d 6   1  0  1 27  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   90 101 Jul 25    @LAA  4 L  6-7  GS-6            6   11  5  5  0  3  0   3.69 27  96  62   33        1b start tie   6b 3 out d 2   1  1  0 27  3  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   91 106 Jul 30     DET  4 L  2-5  GS-7  ,L  8-8   6.2  9  5  5  0  5  0   3.82 28 110  67   41        1t start tie   7t -2- 2 d 2   0  0  0 28  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   92 111 Aug  4     LAA  4 W  2-1  GS-7  ,W  9-8   7    8  1  1  2  0  0   3.71 29 105  68   55        1t start tie   7t 3 out tie   0  0  0 26  1  0  1  0  0  1  0  2 
   93 116 Aug 10    @DET  5 W 16-10 GS-5            4    7  9  9  1  2  2   4.10 21  75  52   13        1b start a 1   5b 1-3 0 a 1   0  0  0 19  2  0  0  1  0  0  0  0 
   94 121 Aug 15     CHW  4 W  3-2  GS-7  ,W 10-8   7    5  0  0  0  5  0   3.94 26 100  70   72        1t start tie   7t 3 out a 1   1  0  0 25  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0 
   95 126 Aug 20    @TOR  4 W  6-4  GS-7  ,W 11-8   7    6  1  1  0  6  0   3.84 27 104  69   67        1b start a 2   7b 3 out a 5   0  0  0 27  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  1 
   96 131 Aug 25    @TBD  4 L  3-14 GS-5  ,L 11-9   5    7  4  4  1  5  1   3.92 23 102  67   41        1b start tie   5b 3 out d 4   1  0  0 20  1  1  0  1  0  1  0  0 
   97 136 Aug 31     DET  5 W  5-4  GS-7            7    5  2  2  1  6  0   3.88 27  96  62   64        1t start tie   7t 3 out a 2   0  0  0 25  0  1  0  0  1  0  0  0 
   98 141 Sep  5    @LAA  4 W  6-2  GS-8  ,W 12-9   8    6  2  2  1  3  0   3.81 29  99  69   64        1b start tie   8b 3 out a 4   0  0  0 27  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  2 
   99 145 Sep 10    @SEA  4 W  9-3  GS-7  ,W 13-9   7    8  2  2  1  1  0   3.77 29  96  66   53        1b start tie   7b 3 out a 3   0  0  0 27  1  0  0  1  0  0  0  2 
  100 150 Sep 15     TEX  4 W  7-3  GS-7  ,W 14-9   7    5  3  3  1  6  0   3.78 26  99  67   60        1t start tie   8t 1-3 0 a 5   0  0  0 25  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
  101 155 Sep 21    @CLE  5 L  3-4  GS-6  ,L 14-10  5.2 10  4  4  3  4  2   3.84 29 106  59   34        1b start tie   6b 12- 2 d 3   0  0  0 24  2  0  1  0  1  1  0  1 
  102 159 Sep 26    @BOS  4 L  6-11 GS-5            5   11  5  5  3  4  0   3.95 27  93  55   26        1b start tie   5b 3 out tie   0  0  0 23  2  0  0  0  0  1  0  2

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No snarkiness? Wow.

 

Let's see......

 

identical strike out rate

identical walk rate

identical ground ball rate

 

ITS AMAZING HE'S THE SAME DAMN PITCHER ON THE ROAD AND AT HOME!

 

 

OMG! OMG! OMG!

 

OH MY GOD CALL THE COPS AND GIVE THEM THE 411!

 

That seemed unnecessary. I don't think it's odd to think that a pitcher can pitch the same way in different parks and get different results. Chirs Young's K, BB, and G/F rates don't vary enough from home and road to explain his splits, yet I don't think it would be a good idea to pretend that Chris Young's home park has no effect on his performance.

 

I'm just bringing up other guys to get an idea about what's relevant and what isn't. You haven't been that forthcoming about that.

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No snarkiness? Wow.

 

Let's see......

 

identical strike out rate

identical walk rate

identical ground ball rate

 

ITS AMAZING HE'S THE SAME DAMN PITCHER ON THE ROAD AND AT HOME!

 

 

OMG! OMG! OMG!

 

OH MY GOD CALL THE COPS AND GIVE THEM THE 411!

 

That seemed unnecessary. I don't think it's odd to think that a pitcher can pitch the same way in different parks and get different results. Chirs Young's K, BB, and G/F rates don't vary enough from home and road to explain his splits, yet I don't think it would be a good idea to pretend that Chris Young's home park has no effect on his performance.

 

I'm just bringing up other guys to get an idea about what's relevant and what isn't. You haven't been that forthcoming about that.

Chris Young 2006 splits:

 I Split         G  GS GF  W  L  S CG SHO   IP    ERA   H   R   ER HR  BB IBB  SO HBP
+-+------------+---+--+--+--+--+--+--+---+-----+------+---+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+
  Home          16 16  0  5  5  0  0   0  86     4.60  76  44  44 18  33   3  83   4 
  Away          15 15  0  6  0  0  0   0  93.1   2.41  58  28  25 10  36   1  81   2 

I Split         G   PA   AB   R   H  2B 3B HR  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB CS Pk   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip sOPS+ tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+---+----+----+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
  Home          16  361  319  44  76 12  2 18  33   3  83   4   4   1   0   6  21  2  1  .238  .317  .458  .775  .265   105   130 Home         
  Away          15  374  330  28  58  8  3 10  36   1  81   2   4   2   5   2  20  2  0  .176  .259  .309  .568  .199    45    71 Away

 

Chris Young 2007 Splits:

 I Split         G  GS GF  W  L  S CG SHO   IP    ERA   H   R   ER HR  BB IBB  SO HBP
+-+------------+---+--+--+--+--+--+--+---+-----+------+---+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+
  Home          13 13  0  4  2  0  0   0  85.1   1.69  50  20  16  1  32   0  77   4 
  Away          17 17  0  5  6  0  0   0  87.2   4.52  68  46  44  9  40   0  90   3 

I Split         G   PA   AB   R   H  2B 3B HR  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB CS Pk   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip sOPS+ tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+---+----+----+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
  Home          13  337  294  20  50 10  4  1  32   0  77   4   2   5   3   3  15  0  1  .170  .257  .241  .498  .222    36    73 Home         
  Away          17  368  322  46  68  9  4  9  40   0  90   3   1   1   1   6  29  0  1  .211  .303  .348  .651  .263    69   125 Away

When you're dealing with any splits and they're not consistent from year to year...they're typically random variation. I'm not sure what conclusions you're trying to draw from his stats, but I'm open to what you have to say.

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 CarGm TmG Date       Opp DR GmReslt Pitcher Result  IP   H  R ER BB SO HR   ERA  BF Pit Str GmSc IR IS Situat. In/Out Inn Rnr O Scr  SB CS Pk AB 2B 3B IW HB SH SF RE DP
+-----+---+---------+----+--+-------+--------------+----+--+--+--+--+--+--+------+--+---+---+----+--+--+--------------+--------------+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
   69   2 Apr  3    @SEA  - L  4-8  GS-6            6    5  4  4  0  7  1   6.00 23  81  54   53        1b start tie   6b 3 out d 2   0  0  0 23  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   70   7 Apr  8    @LAA  4 W  2-1  GS-6  ,W  1-0   5.1  5  1  1  2  2  0   3.97 24  98  58   54        1b start tie   6b -23 1 a 2   0  0  0 22  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0 
   71  12 Apr 14     NYY  5 L  3-4  GS-7            6.2  5  3  3  3  5  1   4.00 27 110  66   54        1t start tie   7t -2- 2 tie   0  0  0 24  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   72  16 Apr 20    @TEX  5 W 16-4  GS-6  ,W  2-0   6    7  3  3  1  7  0   4.12 25  94  64   52        1b start tie   6b 3 out a 7   0  0  0 24  3  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   73  21 Apr 25     SEA  4 L  0-2  CG 9  ,L  2-1   9    6  2  2  2  6  2   3.55 32 105  71   71        1t start tie   9t 3 out d 2   1  1  0 29  0  0  1  0  1  0  0  2 
   74  26 May  1    @BOS  5 W  5-4  GS-7            7    6  4  4  2  4  0   3.83 29 106  70   51        1b start tie   7b 3 out d 2   3  0  0 25  0  0  0  0  0  2  0  0 
   75  30 May  6    @TBD  4 W  5-3  GS-8  ,W  3-1   7.1 11  3  2  2  6  1   3.61 33 113  76   50        1b start a 1   8b 12- 1 a 2   0  1  0 31  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  2 
   76  34 May 11     CLE  4 W  8-2  GS-7  ,W  4-1   7    5  2  2  0  5  1   3.48 26  99  68   64        1t start tie   8t 1-- 0 a 4   0  0  0 26  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   77  39 May 16     KCR  4 L  3-4  GS-8            8    5  2  2  2  7  0   3.32 31 118  77   69        1t start tie   8t 3 out tie   1  0  1 29  1  0  1  0  0  0  0  0 
   78  44 May 21    @CHW  4 L  5-8  GS-6  ,L  4-2   5.1  8  6  4  2  4  0   3.59 27 100  64   34        1b start tie   6b 1-3 1 d 2   0  0  0 24  1  0  0  0  1  0  1  0 
   79  49 May 27    @BAL  5 L  4-8  GS-6  ,L  4-3   6   10  8  8  1  2  3   4.28 30 110  68   21        1b start tie   6b 3 out d 4   5  0  0 29  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0 
   80  54 Jun  2     MIN  5 W  1-0  SHO9  ,W  5-3   9    3  0  0  0  6  0   3.81 30 108  76   87        1t start tie   9t 3 out a 1   0  0  0 30  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   81  59 Jun  7     BOS  4 L  0-1  GS-8  ,L  5-4   7.1  4  1  1  3  2  1   3.60 29 122  73   65        1t start tie   8t 1-- 1 d 1   0  0  0 26  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   82  64 Jun 13    @HOU  5 W  7-3  GS-7  ,W  6-4   7    8  3  3  1  3  0   3.62 29  98  64   51        1b start tie   7b 3 out d 1   0  0  0 28  6  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   83  69 Jun 18     CIN  4 W  6-1  GS-8  ,W  7-4   8    7  1  1  0  5  0   3.43 29 106  76   69        1t start tie   8t 3 out a 5   0  0  1 29  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  2 
   84  73 Jun 23    @NYM  4 L  0-1  GS-8            8    5  0  0  1  6  0   3.19 28 107  67   77        1b start tie   8b 3 out tie   0  0  0 27  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   85  78 Jun 28    @CLE  4 L  3-4  GS-7            6.1  6  3  3  1  3  0   3.24 27 102  60   51        1b start a 1   7b 12- 1 a 2   2  0  0 25  2  0  0  1  0  0  0  0 
   86  83 Jul  3     TOR  4 W  3-1  CG 9  ,W  8-4   9    4  1  1  1  4  0   3.09 31 122  79   78        1t start tie   9t 3 out a 2   1  0  0 30  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   87  88 Jul  8     SEA  4 L  3-7  GS-6  ,L  8-5   6   12  6  5  0  1  1   3.28 30  92  66   27        1t start tie   7t --3 0 d 2   0  0  0 30  1  1  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   88  91 Jul 14    @MIN  5 L  3-4  GS-8  ,L  8-6   7.2 10  4  4  1  2  0   3.36 34 106  71   44        1b start tie   8b 12- 2 d 1   2  1  0 32  2  1  0  0  0  1  1  0 
+-----+---+---------+----+--+-------+--------------+----+--+--+--+--+--+--+------+--+---+---+----+--+--+--------------+--------------+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
CarGm TmG Date       Opp DR GmReslt Pitcher Result  IP   H  R ER BB SO HR   ERA  BF Pit Str GmSc IR IS Situat. In/Out Inn Rnr O Scr  SB CS Pk AB 2B 3B IW HB SH SF RE DP
+-----+---+---------+----+--+-------+--------------+----+--+--+--+--+--+--+------+--+---+---+----+--+--+--------------+--------------+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
   89  96 Jul 20     BAL  5 L  1-6  GS-6  ,L  8-7   5.2 10  6  5  1  3  0   3.53 28 108  69   29        1t start tie   6t -2- 2 d 6   1  0  1 27  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   90 101 Jul 25    @LAA  4 L  6-7  GS-6            6   11  5  5  0  3  0   3.69 27  96  62   33        1b start tie   6b 3 out d 2   1  1  0 27  3  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   91 106 Jul 30     DET  4 L  2-5  GS-7  ,L  8-8   6.2  9  5  5  0  5  0   3.82 28 110  67   41        1t start tie   7t -2- 2 d 2   0  0  0 28  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   92 111 Aug  4     LAA  4 W  2-1  GS-7  ,W  9-8   7    8  1  1  2  0  0   3.71 29 105  68   55        1t start tie   7t 3 out tie   0  0  0 26  1  0  1  0  0  1  0  2 
   93 116 Aug 10    @DET  5 W 16-10 GS-5            4    7  9  9  1  2  2   4.10 21  75  52   13        1b start a 1   5b 1-3 0 a 1   0  0  0 19  2  0  0  1  0  0  0  0 
   94 121 Aug 15     CHW  4 W  3-2  GS-7  ,W 10-8   7    5  0  0  0  5  0   3.94 26 100  70   72        1t start tie   7t 3 out a 1   1  0  0 25  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0 
   95 126 Aug 20    @TOR  4 W  6-4  GS-7  ,W 11-8   7    6  1  1  0  6  0   3.84 27 104  69   67        1b start a 2   7b 3 out a 5   0  0  0 27  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  1 
   96 131 Aug 25    @TBD  4 L  3-14 GS-5  ,L 11-9   5    7  4  4  1  5  1   3.92 23 102  67   41        1b start tie   5b 3 out d 4   1  0  0 20  1  1  0  1  0  1  0  0 
   97 136 Aug 31     DET  5 W  5-4  GS-7            7    5  2  2  1  6  0   3.88 27  96  62   64        1t start tie   7t 3 out a 2   0  0  0 25  0  1  0  0  1  0  0  0 
   98 141 Sep  5    @LAA  4 W  6-2  GS-8  ,W 12-9   8    6  2  2  1  3  0   3.81 29  99  69   64        1b start tie   8b 3 out a 4   0  0  0 27  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  2 
   99 145 Sep 10    @SEA  4 W  9-3  GS-7  ,W 13-9   7    8  2  2  1  1  0   3.77 29  96  66   53        1b start tie   7b 3 out a 3   0  0  0 27  1  0  0  1  0  0  0  2 
  100 150 Sep 15     TEX  4 W  7-3  GS-7  ,W 14-9   7    5  3  3  1  6  0   3.78 26  99  67   60        1t start tie   8t 1-3 0 a 5   0  0  0 25  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
  101 155 Sep 21    @CLE  5 L  3-4  GS-6  ,L 14-10  5.2 10  4  4  3  4  2   3.84 29 106  59   34        1b start tie   6b 12- 2 d 3   0  0  0 24  2  0  1  0  1  1  0  1 
  102 159 Sep 26    @BOS  4 L  6-11 GS-5            5   11  5  5  3  4  0   3.95 27  93  55   26        1b start tie   5b 3 out tie   0  0  0 23  2  0  0  0  0  1  0  2

 

unfortunately it doesnt have the statistics you need. the other one did

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 CarGm TmG Date       Opp DR GmReslt Pitcher Result  IP   H  R ER BB SO HR   ERA  BF Pit Str GmSc IR IS Situat. In/Out Inn Rnr O Scr  SB CS Pk AB 2B 3B IW HB SH SF RE DP
+-----+---+---------+----+--+-------+--------------+----+--+--+--+--+--+--+------+--+---+---+----+--+--+--------------+--------------+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
   69   2 Apr  3    @SEA  - L  4-8  GS-6            6    5  4  4  0  7  1   6.00 23  81  54   53        1b start tie   6b 3 out d 2   0  0  0 23  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   70   7 Apr  8    @LAA  4 W  2-1  GS-6  ,W  1-0   5.1  5  1  1  2  2  0   3.97 24  98  58   54        1b start tie   6b -23 1 a 2   0  0  0 22  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0 
   71  12 Apr 14     NYY  5 L  3-4  GS-7            6.2  5  3  3  3  5  1   4.00 27 110  66   54        1t start tie   7t -2- 2 tie   0  0  0 24  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   72  16 Apr 20    @TEX  5 W 16-4  GS-6  ,W  2-0   6    7  3  3  1  7  0   4.12 25  94  64   52        1b start tie   6b 3 out a 7   0  0  0 24  3  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   73  21 Apr 25     SEA  4 L  0-2  CG 9  ,L  2-1   9    6  2  2  2  6  2   3.55 32 105  71   71        1t start tie   9t 3 out d 2   1  1  0 29  0  0  1  0  1  0  0  2 
   74  26 May  1    @BOS  5 W  5-4  GS-7            7    6  4  4  2  4  0   3.83 29 106  70   51        1b start tie   7b 3 out d 2   3  0  0 25  0  0  0  0  0  2  0  0 
   75  30 May  6    @TBD  4 W  5-3  GS-8  ,W  3-1   7.1 11  3  2  2  6  1   3.61 33 113  76   50        1b start a 1   8b 12- 1 a 2   0  1  0 31  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  2 
   76  34 May 11     CLE  4 W  8-2  GS-7  ,W  4-1   7    5  2  2  0  5  1   3.48 26  99  68   64        1t start tie   8t 1-- 0 a 4   0  0  0 26  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   77  39 May 16     KCR  4 L  3-4  GS-8            8    5  2  2  2  7  0   3.32 31 118  77   69        1t start tie   8t 3 out tie   1  0  1 29  1  0  1  0  0  0  0  0 
   78  44 May 21    @CHW  4 L  5-8  GS-6  ,L  4-2   5.1  8  6  4  2  4  0   3.59 27 100  64   34        1b start tie   6b 1-3 1 d 2   0  0  0 24  1  0  0  0  1  0  1  0 
   79  49 May 27    @BAL  5 L  4-8  GS-6  ,L  4-3   6   10  8  8  1  2  3   4.28 30 110  68   21        1b start tie   6b 3 out d 4   5  0  0 29  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0 
   80  54 Jun  2     MIN  5 W  1-0  SHO9  ,W  5-3   9    3  0  0  0  6  0   3.81 30 108  76   87        1t start tie   9t 3 out a 1   0  0  0 30  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   81  59 Jun  7     BOS  4 L  0-1  GS-8  ,L  5-4   7.1  4  1  1  3  2  1   3.60 29 122  73   65        1t start tie   8t 1-- 1 d 1   0  0  0 26  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   82  64 Jun 13    @HOU  5 W  7-3  GS-7  ,W  6-4   7    8  3  3  1  3  0   3.62 29  98  64   51        1b start tie   7b 3 out d 1   0  0  0 28  6  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   83  69 Jun 18     CIN  4 W  6-1  GS-8  ,W  7-4   8    7  1  1  0  5  0   3.43 29 106  76   69        1t start tie   8t 3 out a 5   0  0  1 29  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  2 
   84  73 Jun 23    @NYM  4 L  0-1  GS-8            8    5  0  0  1  6  0   3.19 28 107  67   77        1b start tie   8b 3 out tie   0  0  0 27  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   85  78 Jun 28    @CLE  4 L  3-4  GS-7            6.1  6  3  3  1  3  0   3.24 27 102  60   51        1b start a 1   7b 12- 1 a 2   2  0  0 25  2  0  0  1  0  0  0  0 
   86  83 Jul  3     TOR  4 W  3-1  CG 9  ,W  8-4   9    4  1  1  1  4  0   3.09 31 122  79   78        1t start tie   9t 3 out a 2   1  0  0 30  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   87  88 Jul  8     SEA  4 L  3-7  GS-6  ,L  8-5   6   12  6  5  0  1  1   3.28 30  92  66   27        1t start tie   7t --3 0 d 2   0  0  0 30  1  1  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   88  91 Jul 14    @MIN  5 L  3-4  GS-8  ,L  8-6   7.2 10  4  4  1  2  0   3.36 34 106  71   44        1b start tie   8b 12- 2 d 1   2  1  0 32  2  1  0  0  0  1  1  0 
+-----+---+---------+----+--+-------+--------------+----+--+--+--+--+--+--+------+--+---+---+----+--+--+--------------+--------------+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
CarGm TmG Date       Opp DR GmReslt Pitcher Result  IP   H  R ER BB SO HR   ERA  BF Pit Str GmSc IR IS Situat. In/Out Inn Rnr O Scr  SB CS Pk AB 2B 3B IW HB SH SF RE DP
+-----+---+---------+----+--+-------+--------------+----+--+--+--+--+--+--+------+--+---+---+----+--+--+--------------+--------------+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
   89  96 Jul 20     BAL  5 L  1-6  GS-6  ,L  8-7   5.2 10  6  5  1  3  0   3.53 28 108  69   29        1t start tie   6t -2- 2 d 6   1  0  1 27  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 
   90 101 Jul 25    @LAA  4 L  6-7  GS-6            6   11  5  5  0  3  0   3.69 27  96  62   33        1b start tie   6b 3 out d 2   1  1  0 27  3  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   91 106 Jul 30     DET  4 L  2-5  GS-7  ,L  8-8   6.2  9  5  5  0  5  0   3.82 28 110  67   41        1t start tie   7t -2- 2 d 2   0  0  0 28  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
   92 111 Aug  4     LAA  4 W  2-1  GS-7  ,W  9-8   7    8  1  1  2  0  0   3.71 29 105  68   55        1t start tie   7t 3 out tie   0  0  0 26  1  0  1  0  0  1  0  2 
   93 116 Aug 10    @DET  5 W 16-10 GS-5            4    7  9  9  1  2  2   4.10 21  75  52   13        1b start a 1   5b 1-3 0 a 1   0  0  0 19  2  0  0  1  0  0  0  0 
   94 121 Aug 15     CHW  4 W  3-2  GS-7  ,W 10-8   7    5  0  0  0  5  0   3.94 26 100  70   72        1t start tie   7t 3 out a 1   1  0  0 25  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0 
   95 126 Aug 20    @TOR  4 W  6-4  GS-7  ,W 11-8   7    6  1  1  0  6  0   3.84 27 104  69   67        1b start a 2   7b 3 out a 5   0  0  0 27  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  1 
   96 131 Aug 25    @TBD  4 L  3-14 GS-5  ,L 11-9   5    7  4  4  1  5  1   3.92 23 102  67   41        1b start tie   5b 3 out d 4   1  0  0 20  1  1  0  1  0  1  0  0 
   97 136 Aug 31     DET  5 W  5-4  GS-7            7    5  2  2  1  6  0   3.88 27  96  62   64        1t start tie   7t 3 out a 2   0  0  0 25  0  1  0  0  1  0  0  0 
   98 141 Sep  5    @LAA  4 W  6-2  GS-8  ,W 12-9   8    6  2  2  1  3  0   3.81 29  99  69   64        1b start tie   8b 3 out a 4   0  0  0 27  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  2 
   99 145 Sep 10    @SEA  4 W  9-3  GS-7  ,W 13-9   7    8  2  2  1  1  0   3.77 29  96  66   53        1b start tie   7b 3 out a 3   0  0  0 27  1  0  0  1  0  0  0  2 
  100 150 Sep 15     TEX  4 W  7-3  GS-7  ,W 14-9   7    5  3  3  1  6  0   3.78 26  99  67   60        1t start tie   8t 1-3 0 a 5   0  0  0 25  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1 
  101 155 Sep 21    @CLE  5 L  3-4  GS-6  ,L 14-10  5.2 10  4  4  3  4  2   3.84 29 106  59   34        1b start tie   6b 12- 2 d 3   0  0  0 24  2  0  1  0  1  1  0  1 
  102 159 Sep 26    @BOS  4 L  6-11 GS-5            5   11  5  5  3  4  0   3.95 27  93  55   26        1b start tie   5b 3 out tie   0  0  0 23  2  0  0  0  0  1  0  2

 

unfortunately it doesnt have the statistics you need. the other one did

yeah, well, convince B-R to have more depth or the other site to put the right number of spaces in. Coding things to auto adjust the columns would be a bitch.

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Those aren't random and I'd have to say he changed my opinion on Blanton completely.

 

 

you bet your ass they are.

 

You didn't answer the question. Are all splits of the players I listed irrelevant splits? This split from Blanton was totally random, and the fact that he was 1st in AL ERA and in bad company on the road ERA, shouldn't cast any aspersions on how good he is?

 

Well let's narrow it down - are the Beckett/Chris Young splits meaningless, and why aren't Greene's splits meaningless?

 

1. You're looking at ERA (AKA you're wasting your time)

2. I don't look at ERA and I had no idea that he led the league in ERA (and I don't care)

3. His splits are fine. Forget about them.

4. He's a good number 3, poor number 2. That's exactly what everyone thinks he is.

5. b/c of 1-4 your Blanton "analysis" -- if it can be called that -- is meaningless.

You seriously drive me nuts sometimes. You have had three posts on this thread and you STILL haven't answered WHY his splits are not a big deal. I can't possibly see why they would not be, but I'm not blessed with your level of genius.

Maybe you could descend long enough to explain this to us lesser forms? Would be appreciated.

 

Let's see......

 

identical strike out rate

identical walk rate

identical ground ball rate

 

ITS AMAZING HE'S THE SAME DAMN PITCHER ON THE ROAD AND AT HOME!

 

 

OMG! OMG! OMG!

 

OH MY GOD CALL THE COPS AND GIVE THEM THE 411!

Splits courtesy of baseball reference and refer to Blanton's career #'s

 I Split          G   GS  GF  W   L   S   CG SHO   IP     ERA    H    R   ER   HR  BB  IBB  SO  HBP
+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+
  Home           48  47   0  22  15   0   4   2  319     3.55  303  134  126  28   79   9  181   4 
  Away           54  51   1  20  19   0   2   0  314.2   4.66  362  174  163  29   88   2  188  10 

I Split          G    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB   CS  Pk   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip sOPS+ tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+----+---+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
  Home           48  1303  1209  134  303  59   5  28   79   9  181   4   4   7   4  28   18   4   2  .251  .297  .377  .674  .273     0    86 Home         
  Away           54  1368  1247  174  362  77   7  29   88   2  188  10   6  17  14  29   22   7   2  .290  .338  .433  .771  .318     0   113 Away

The two biggest impacts the Oakland's home park has are on HR (the dominant factor) and a babip (more fouls become outs, but this is only a few extra outs / year). The splits that matter are the three true outcomes and ground ball %. His HR at home and on the road are nearly identical (and both good), which means that he really hasn't benefited that much from the spacious confines as much as you might think. K's and walks are generally pretty park independent, so the fact that those are close shouldn't be surprising. The main difference driving the ERA gap is babip. As noted above, a few points of this is going to be due to the extra foul ground leading to some extra pop-outs during the year in foul territory. But it's only going to be a few extra outs a year (most of those fouls that go into the stands still turn into outs unless Blanton is facing an entire lineup of Barry Bonds) that the park provides.

 

Blanton doesn't have a high enough K rate to be a #1 or #2. But nobody is claiming he is one.

 

He doesn't walk guys and he suppresses HR quite effectively - at home or on the road. Which means he's not a bad pick as a #3 or #4 starter.

 

btw - Marquis may get just as many grounders, but he also gives up more HR than Blanton, which is a bad downfall for pitchers with low k-rates that allow guys to reach base. He's therefore a bad comp for Blanton.

 

How do you just say that his home run suppression is a skill anymore than suppressing hits isn't a skill?

 

Are the numbers from his career somewhat thrown off at all because Oakland doesn't play as the same park every year or not? I'm asking, I don't know.

 

Why do we generally throw out BABIP for a pitcher when it comes to home/road but it seems like people are less skeptical of it when it comes to left/right. BABIP doesn't seem to the only thing affected by his home/road splits, so does Isolated Power for the last two years. I don't see how his home run suppression is significantly more credible than Chris Young's, Chris Young has a lower G/F by far but the fly-to-home run rate is similar. Maddux is now good at suppressing home runs, but with the Cubs he wasn't.

 

When you look at the bad pitchers, they never have a BABIP people consider "legitimate." So I wonder how that works.

 

Usually the posts I read on here dump on Jon Garland so I'm surprised to see defense of a similar pitcher.

 

Another question for anyone courteous enough to want to field it, does actual performance not matter to people here, is it more important to field a team that's theoretically good instead of actually good? Like Maddux - his ERA is probably not going to be what the gurus say it "should" be for the rest of his career. Or if you have Jeremy Bonderman and he does what he's been doing for the past 4 years, do you feel satisfied that where the real statistical measurements are, he's a fringe #1, or at some point do you begin to think, hey, you'd be just as well off with a good who hits a 3 year streak of fluke luck?

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When you're dealing with any splits and they're not consistent from year to year...they're typically random variation. I'm not sure what conclusions you're trying to draw from his stats, but I'm open to what you have to say.

 

What makes Joe Blanton's case different from Chris Young's? If we're skeptical about unusual BABIPs why don't we just throw Young's 2006-7 right out the window?

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But Chris Young's home run suppression and BABIP isn't even really in line with the other San Diego pitchers.

 

And what about Ervin Santana? Are his home/road splits meaningless? Every year he's got a good home ERA, a bad road ERA, and a big home/road BABIP split. Do you just dismiss this three year pattern as irrelevant and chalk up the BABIP difference as a voodoo curse? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just saying with Santana it doesn't seem random or anything.

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chris young is the anti-khalil greene

 

using them to make a claim against blanton is intellectually dishonest.

 

for instance, the first fallacy:

 

1. You were saying that while Blanton is a borderline above average groundball pitcher, the cozy foul dimensions of McAfee should benefit him more than most pitchers. This is actually the opposite. The park should be advantageous to pitchers who are rely on flyballs more than groundballs (ex Zito). Yet, you're using it do discredit Blanton.

 

The same kind of logic that you applied is used in this sentence: The mid-90s Rockies should have signed hitters who did not hit for power, but used speed to steal bases.

 

It's completely wrong.

 

don't even get me started one the other erroneous logical fallacies you brought up..

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Why not "get started?" I've basically been asking for such for this topic.

 

If Oakland doesn't give all pitchers a break, why does it seem like all of the AL starters who go to the NL get an ERA bump except for the A's pitchers? Tim Hudson was a groundball pitcher who consistently had a better home than road ERA, people said Hudson would be a sub-3.00 ERA guy in the NL. His home run suppression for his Oakland career was abnormally low. It's unlikely anyone pitching for the Cubs is going to have a HR/F ratio of below 10.5% if history is any indicator.

 

Couldn't it be possible that Oakland helps the home pitchers more than the numbers show, sort of like Colorado helps the home hitters more than the park factors show? Mark Mulder was more of a groundball pitcher, he more often than not had a substantially better home ERA. Gaudin was a ground ball pitcher who has had a better ERA at home than the road the past two years with Oakland. Lenny DiNardo, a groundball pitcher who was good at home and bad on the road this year. Joe Kennedy, better with the A's at home than on the road. This year it seems like Oakland has been an asset to these guys. And then there's Esteban Loiaza in 2006.

 

The same kind of logic that you applied is used in this sentence: The mid-90s Rockies should have signed hitters who did not hit for power, but used speed to steal bases.

 

I don't agree that that's an apt comparison.

 

But back to Ervin Santana. Why doesn't your wisecrack work here? If he's the same pitcher at home that he is on the road, why is consistently so bad on the road? Just a 3 year fluke? ERA may not mean anything to you but I think when his manager has to overuse the bullpen whenever Santana starts on the road and puts his team in a bad position for winning the game, he might disagree.

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