Alex Rios for Lincecum or Cain?

[BigbadB]

The Cubs had a better starting pitcher ERA than the Giants, despite playing in a much more hitter friendly park. I'm also wondering where the rest of this stud 1-5 staff came from. Noah Lowry - looks like he's on his way to becoming Kirk Reuter. Barry Zito - not a stud. There's Cain and Lincecum... who else? Two studs out of five.

 

The staff has the potential to be dominant. Zito, Cain, Lincecum, Lowry and Sanchez is the foundation for turning things around. Trade the crap players on offense at the deadline to improve the offense and make some decent FA pick ups and this team "could" be right back in the saddle in 2009. Trade the quality arms, and you have absolutely no shot of turning things around anytime soon.

[badnews]

I don't agree with that potential. After years of crapping on Barry Zito now we're handing him out charity? If Noah Lowry were a Cub we'd be crying to dump him while he still had some value. It's easy to pitch than to hit in that park. A position player can help you win every day whereas a pitcher can help you win every 5th day, add in that pitchers seem more likely to be injured and I think for the right deal it makes some sense for the Giants to trade a starter.

[BigbadB]

I think for the right deal it makes some sense for the Giants to trade a starter.

 

The right deal. Yes. Alexis Rios is not that deal, however.

[badnews]

If you look at the Padres, I don't think they build a particularly dominating staff, I think they just find guys who can do well there. Chris Young, for example, most people now think of "dominating" but he's built up a crazy shantytown of indicators, if he was a Cub I wonder if his ERA would even be under 4.20, I don't think he's dominating. The Giants could stand a better chance of finding guys like him to succeed in their park than hitters.

[Deeg]

The Cubs had a better starting pitcher ERA than the Giants, despite playing in a much more hitter friendly park. I'm also wondering where the rest of this stud 1-5 staff came from. Noah Lowry - looks like he's on his way to becoming Kirk Reuter. Barry Zito - not a stud. There's Cain and Lincecum... who else? Two studs out of five.

 

The staff has the potential to be dominant. Zito, Cain, Lincecum, Lowry and Sanchez is the foundation for turning things around. Trade the crap players on offense at the deadline to improve the offense and make some decent FA pick ups and this team "could" be right back in the saddle in 2009. Trade the quality arms, and you have absolutely no shot of turning things around anytime soon.

 

That makes no sense, as none of the "crap" players on offense has any trade value whatsoever. Offensively the Giants are a AAA team - and not an especially good one at that. If you want an impact guy via trade, Lincicum and Cain are pretty much the only arrows in the quiver. Now, I would rather trade Cain than Lincicum and you can certainly debate whether or not Rios is the impact guy you want - but I think he is, and I would reluctantly make this deal if I were Sabean.

[BigbadB]

Now, I would rather trade Cain than Lincicum and you can certainly debate whether or not Rios is the impact guy you want - but I think he is, and I would reluctantly make this deal if I were Sabean.

 

And you'll still be in last place, and only a year away from losing Rios to the highest bidder via free agency.

 

Those crap players somehow find themselves traded at the deadline quite often. Dave Roberts has already been a deadline deal at least once. Wynn would be another candidate for that.

 

The Giants flat out suck right now. There really isn't anything they can do to change that anytime soon.

[Deeg]

Um... Rios is three years away from FA. And if you're going to build an offense, you have to start somewhere. I never really understood this argument - if they can't completely transform their offense now, they shouldn't try at all? You have to build one guy at a time, and it's not as if Rios is a short-term fix - he hasn't even turned 27 or reached his prime yet. Rios is exactly the sort of guy the Giants should be using to start their rebuilding process.

[ottawacubbie]

Just curious if you would pull the trigger on this deal . . .

 

SF

Matt Cain (or Linceum whomever you like most . . . or least)

Randy Winn

 

CHC

Murton

Pie

Marshall

Fontenot

 

I am not saying this would get it done. It may take Hill over Marshall. I am not saying I am in favor of it, but it gives Hendry his leftie (sort of as a SH with better right-handed stats) and a solid option for the pitching staff. I am not sure if other GMs are as high on Pie as we are and I may also overvalue Murton, but he is a young guy that gets on base and you figure the Giants would like both those qualities as well as the salary relief.

[JeffH]

Just curious if you would pull the trigger on this deal . . .

 

SF

Matt Cain (or Linceum whomever you like most . . . or least)

Randy Winn

 

CHC

Murton

Pie

Marshall

Fontenot

 

I am not saying this would get it done. It may take Hill over Marshall. I am not saying I am in favor of it, but it gives Hendry his leftie (sort of as a SH with better right-handed stats) and a solid option for the pitching staff. I am not sure if other GMs are as high on Pie as we are and I may also overvalue Murton, but he is a young guy that gets on base and you figure the Giants would like both those qualities as well as the salary relief.

 

Of course.

[Post Count Padder]

Just curious if you would pull the trigger on this deal . . .

 

SF

Matt Cain (or Linceum whomever you like most . . . or least)

Randy Winn

 

CHC

Murton

Pie

Marshall

Fontenot

 

I am not saying this would get it done. It may take Hill over Marshall. I am not saying I am in favor of it, but it gives Hendry his leftie (sort of as a SH with better right-handed stats) and a solid option for the pitching staff. I am not sure if other GMs are as high on Pie as we are and I may also overvalue Murton, but he is a young guy that gets on base and you figure the Giants would like both those qualities as well as the salary relief.

Absolutely no way the Giants would say yes to that.

[ottawacubbie]

What are you thinking it would take?

 

SF

Matt Cain

Randy Winn

 

CHC

Murton

Pie

Hill

Cedeno

Veal

 

Or is that even enough . . .

[Post Count Padder]

What are you thinking it would take?

 

SF

Matt Cain

Randy Winn

 

CHC

Murton

Pie

Hill

Cedeno

Veal

 

Or is that even enough . . .

For Cain and Winn? Probably something like that. They'll probably ask for Hill and Pie, among other, and I wouldn't do that