Cubs Acquire Ascanio from ATL for Ohman and Infante

[Sammy Sofa]

There's already a couple threads going about Prior, in which Cuse has posted the same damn thing.

 

Thanks a lot.

[David]

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

 

I believe you are the one judging this based on emotions. I believe you've insinuated in the past you that Prior's problem is about body language and emotion, as opposed to any real injury. You've insinuated he's a steroids abuser and other things. I believe you have a grudge against Prior and just want him gone, thinking there's some sort of "cord cutting" benefit to moving on from the Prior era.

 

I also said he wasn't going to pitch last year but you disagreed. Who was right?

 

But you thought it was because he's a nancy boy that doesn't try hard enough.

 

He had surgery, which can be kind of tough to predict.

 

Oh I do think he's not mentally tough I don't deny that but I also saw that he had nothing when he pitched. I made the right decision then as I am now. All the pieces fit.

 

 

Based on what? Was it coming back weeks later after a line drive fractured his elbow? Coming back into the game after a violent collision (in which he landed hard on his throwing shoulder) at second base? Or was it the fact that he pitched lights out down the stretch in a tight playoff race that confirmed it?

 

Let me guess, you're going to point out/blame him for the game six collapse?

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

 

I believe you are the one judging this based on emotions. I believe you've insinuated in the past you that Prior's problem is about body language and emotion, as opposed to any real injury. You've insinuated he's a steroids abuser and other things. I believe you have a grudge against Prior and just want him gone, thinking there's some sort of "cord cutting" benefit to moving on from the Prior era.

 

I also said he wasn't going to pitch last year but you disagreed. Who was right?

 

 

Considering the incredibly inaccurate reports about Prior's condition going into this year's spring training (2003 form, anyone), can you blame him?

 

At the time that people here were optimistic about Prior's chances this year, the reports coming out of camp were incredibly bright. Then we saw him pitch and we knew that the guy (was it AZ Phil or Al Yellon or one of those bloggers?) was full of crap or didn't know what he was seeing. Now, Prior 9 or 10 months removed from the major surgery that he probably needed a couple years ago, and the first real diagnosis of his problems. There was never a chance for him to recover because nothing was done to fix the problem. Now there has been. The Cubs at least need to see if that works out.

 

This is just rehashing old news. You guys think what you want and this thread should be about the new guy that Hendry acquired.

[CUBZ99]

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

 

I believe you are the one judging this based on emotions. I believe you've insinuated in the past you that Prior's problem is about body language and emotion, as opposed to any real injury. You've insinuated he's a steroids abuser and other things. I believe you have a grudge against Prior and just want him gone, thinking there's some sort of "cord cutting" benefit to moving on from the Prior era.

 

Why not attack the argument instead of the poster? Seriously, who cares if he is a Prior hater or if he is the head of Prior's fan club. He has a good argument for his position. Instead of attacking the argument your spiraling into a competion between he is the better Prior Prognosticator. Soon we will be arguing over whether Prior is a real man or not.............

[jersey cubs fan]

This is just rehashing old news. You guys think what you want and this thread should be about the new guy that Hendry acquired.

 

I just think it's important to be honest and point out the very obvious personel vendetta you have against Mark Prior and his so-called lack of toughness, when you try and claim it's just about making a smart business move.

[Sammy Sofa]

You guys think what you want and this thread should be about the new guy that Hendry acquired.

 

Then why did YOU diverge it off into a discussion about Prior? It was your response to a post that only mentioned Prior's salary in terms of money available if he's traded that started this tangent.

[kujay]

This thread is off the rails.

 

Just sort of meh about this trade. Ohman was a spare part, and probably overpaid. Same thing with Infante.

 

Salary dump, I guess.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why not attack the argument instead of the poster? Seriously, who cares if he is a Prior hater or if he is the head of Prior's fan club. He has a good argument for his position. Instead of attacking the argument your spiraling into a competion between he is the better Prior Prognosticator. Soon we will be arguing over whether Prior is a real man or not.............

 

I am attacking the argument. The argument is that Prior is a wuss that was never really injured and just didn't try, and was a steroid abuser. Now Cuse claims it's business. I don't believe that is true. His business decision is based on that very lengthy history of personal distaste for Mark Prior.

[CuseCubFan69]

This is just rehashing old news. You guys think what you want and this thread should be about the new guy that Hendry acquired.

 

I just think it's important to be honest and point out the very obvious personel vendetta you have against Mark Prior and his so-called lack of toughness, when you try and claim it's just about making a smart business move.

 

Personal vendetta? Wow. I see the Cubs wasting money on a guy that I think isn't going to help them and this is a personal vendetta. Let me go to the stable and find a horse head, I'll be right back.

[David]

BTW, this discussion is far more interesting than talking about Jose Ascanio...but I guess it IS the wrong thread.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Im glad to see Ohman and the 40 ft. curve ball leave town, but the fact that they essentially traded Jacque Jones, who despite popular belief is a quality player for a steaming bowl of nothing kind of sucks, considering that there's not much out there for a replacement.

[David]

This is just rehashing old news. You guys think what you want and this thread should be about the new guy that Hendry acquired.

 

I just think it's important to be honest and point out the very obvious personel vendetta you have against Mark Prior and his so-called lack of toughness, when you try and claim it's just about making a smart business move.

 

Personal vendetta? Wow. I see the Cubs wasting money on a guy that I think isn't going to help them and this is a personal vendetta. Let me go to the stable and find a horse head, I'll be right back.

 

It really does seem like you feel the need to chime in with a cheap shot (or at least some sort of negative comment) at Mark Prior at every single mention of his name. I'm not trying to attack or anything, I'm just saying. Goony seems to have a point.

[CuseCubFan69]

Why not attack the argument instead of the poster? Seriously, who cares if he is a Prior hater or if he is the head of Prior's fan club. He has a good argument for his position. Instead of attacking the argument your spiraling into a competion between he is the better Prior Prognosticator. Soon we will be arguing over whether Prior is a real man or not.............

 

I am attacking the argument. The argument is that Prior is a wuss that was never really injured and just didn't try, and was a steroid abuser. Now Cuse claims it's business. I don't believe that is true. His business decision is based on that very lengthy history of personal distaste for Mark Prior.

 

The injury just adds to what I feel is a poor asset and a waste of even more money if the Cubs sign him to a 1 year deal.

[Guest]

To be fair, what to do with Prior is one of the key issues facing the team this offseason. It deserves a fair amount of discussion and debate. I haven't seen any behavior that crosses the line here, either. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - no matter how wrong Cuse's is. :D

[Ding Dong Johnson]

addition by subtraction

[CuseCubFan69]

This is just rehashing old news. You guys think what you want and this thread should be about the new guy that Hendry acquired.

 

I just think it's important to be honest and point out the very obvious personel vendetta you have against Mark Prior and his so-called lack of toughness, when you try and claim it's just about making a smart business move.

 

Personal vendetta? Wow. I see the Cubs wasting money on a guy that I think isn't going to help them and this is a personal vendetta. Let me go to the stable and find a horse head, I'll be right back.

 

It really does seem like you feel the need to chime in with a cheap shot (or at least some sort of negative comment) at Mark Prior at every single mention of his name. I'm not trying to attack or anything, I'm just saying. Goony seems to have a point.

 

Only after Hoops mentioned that the money saved could be spent on Prior. It just made no sense to me to make all these moves to save this money and then spend it on a guy on the DL. It's just crazy to me.

[MSG T]

Im glad to see Ohman and the 40 ft. curve ball leave town, but the fact that they essentially traded Jacque Jones, who despite popular belief is a quality player for a steaming bowl of nothing kind of sucks, considering that there's not much out there for a replacement.

 

How many times have we seen this before with Hendry? Trade player A for Player B( plus other crap) then turn around and trade player B for Player C, who is even worse than B+the crap thrown in. I can think of at least a couple of times in the last 2-3 years.

[CuseCubFan69]

Im glad to see Ohman and the 40 ft. curve ball leave town, but the fact that they essentially traded Jacque Jones, who despite popular belief is a quality player for a steaming bowl of nothing kind of sucks, considering that there's not much out there for a replacement.

 

How many times have we seen this before with Hendry? Trade player A for Player B( plus other crap) then turn around and trade player B for Player C, who is even worse than B+the crap thrown in. I can think of at least a couple of times in the last 2-3 years.

 

If Hendry can use the cash to get an Impact player, I think it would be a solid move.

[CUBZ99]

Im glad to see Ohman and the 40 ft. curve ball leave town, but the fact that they essentially traded Jacque Jones, who despite popular belief is a quality player for a steaming bowl of nothing kind of sucks, considering that there's not much out there for a replacement.

 

How many times have we seen this before with Hendry? Trade player A for Player B( plus other crap) then turn around and trade player B for Player C, who is even worse than B+the crap thrown in. I can think of at least a couple of times in the last 2-3 years.

 

If Hendry can use the cash to get an Impact player, I think it would be a solid move.

 

Yes, Hendry basically gave away Jones to get rid of his salary, and moved Ohman for a potentially good bullpen arm. Neither one of those guys were in the Cubs plans for 2008. Depending on how he uses the money it could turn out to be a solid trade.

[MSG T]

Im glad to see Ohman and the 40 ft. curve ball leave town, but the fact that they essentially traded Jacque Jones, who despite popular belief is a quality player for a steaming bowl of nothing kind of sucks, considering that there's not much out there for a replacement.

 

How many times have we seen this before with Hendry? Trade player A for Player B( plus other crap) then turn around and trade player B for Player C, who is even worse than B+the crap thrown in. I can think of at least a couple of times in the last 2-3 years.

 

If Hendry can use the cash to get an Impact player, I think it would be a solid move.

 

I hope so, but, I'll still look at it as a big IF until he actually makes a quality trade or signing. If that happens, then I agree, it's a good move.

 

I'll regain some semblance of trust in Hendry if he already has a couple things worked out( ie Fukudome) and just needed to clear some salary to finalize them.

[CuseCubFan69]

Im glad to see Ohman and the 40 ft. curve ball leave town, but the fact that they essentially traded Jacque Jones, who despite popular belief is a quality player for a steaming bowl of nothing kind of sucks, considering that there's not much out there for a replacement.

 

How many times have we seen this before with Hendry? Trade player A for Player B( plus other crap) then turn around and trade player B for Player C, who is even worse than B+the crap thrown in. I can think of at least a couple of times in the last 2-3 years.

 

If Hendry can use the cash to get an Impact player, I think it would be a solid move.

 

I hope so, but, I'll still look at it as a big IF until he actually makes a quality trade or signing. If that happens, then I agree, it's a good move.

 

I'll regain some semblance of trust in Hendry if he already has a couple things worked out( ie Fukudome) and just needed to clear some salary to finalize them.

 

Well it looks as if he's clearing the path for something to happen. What that is, should be a very interesting topic.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

he got rid of a overpriced mediocre reliever, and an infielder who shouldnt be in the major leagues for a young lefty with a big arm... how arnt we all just saying well done and moving on

[Mephistopheles]

so in the end, Jim Hendry traded an above average centerfielder and an above average left handed reliever for a middle relief prospect.

 

 

somehow i think hes gone insane.

[HoopsCubs]

BTW, this discussion is far more interesting than talking about Jose Ascanio...but I guess it IS the wrong thread.

 

I'll take blame for starting this "war of words" though I didn't expect it. I was trying to point out that the $3M saved by trading Ohman and Infante could be used to sign Prior for 2008. Sorry.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

so in the end, Jim Hendry traded an above average centerfielder and an above average left handed reliever for a middle relief prospect.

 

 

somehow i think hes gone insane.

 

when did this happen?