Where does A-Rod play next year?

[Outshined_One]

The Giants have the money to spend, but I don't see A-Rod going to a team that will most likely be in last place for the next umpteen years.

 

Outside of a nice front 3 of Cain, Lincecum and Zito, they have NOTHING.

 

Add Zito and they could easily have one of the top rotations in the game. Pitching is very important. Add Arod, and they aren't as far as people think. They don't have much else offensively, but they will probably have the most money to spend. We will see if Arod runs for the money again, like he did when he went to Texas.

 

You want me to add him again? I have him as part of the front 3.

 

Don't forget Noah Lowry.

 

Decent 4/5 guy, but they'd be best served trading him to some sucker who thinks his numbers this year weren't fluky.

[nilodnayr]

No GM in their right mind should trade for Arod, because Arod SHOULD opt out of his contract.

 

If he does NOT opt out, then he will be 35 when he gets his next payday. Considering the condition he keeps himself in, i imagine it would still be a 15-20 mill/year payday.

 

If he opts out now, he is coming off a historic season and is only 32. His value now is 20-30 mill/year. He will probably get a very similar contract (25/8-10) that he got earlier. That financially makes more sense, and allows him to pick his team. He even could go 20/8-10 and have an even wider selection of teams.

 

His value will not be higher in the next 3 years then it is now, and if you subtact Torre and Arod from the Yankees, and consider that the free agent pitching class is weak (and the yankees pitching is a problem), then that has to make Yankees not a favorite for a WS ring (or even appearance) .

 

You save 21M by trading for him and just extending him because TX would still be on the hook.

 

1. I thought texas only paid for the first few years and that this was the last year of the payment.

2. You would have to pay dearly to stop Arod from testing the market. I know that the cubs save 21 million (unless point 1 is right), but is the money really saved when you view rest of the market? Aram has a good contract (relatively), and the market is in one of the high end upswings right now. I think financially, in the long run for most GM's, it makes more sense to just wait, pay the extra few million and keep your star players. Especially if they are young stars who could offset the cost of Arod initially.

 

EDIT: Just looked it up...Point 1 is wrong. Texas is still paying for him.

 

The thing about stopping ARod from testing the market is that if you have that TX money you can essentially (by way of extention) outbid anyone he'd sign for as a FA by 21M and still end up paying the same as any of those teams who would sign him as a FA would pay because 21M of that would be coming from Texas.

 

If the yankees know that they won't retain him then they should try to trade him for anything. Anything is better than ARod walking away and getting nothing in return. Although, the Yanks can and will offer him arbi if he voids the contract, so you'd have to give them the equivalent of a back of the first round + sandwich pick talent. I'd love to trade Samardzjia + Veal/Petrick/Gallagher/someone else for ARod and sign him to an extention. Although, I'm guessing we would have to be in a bidding war with the Angels on this one, which we'll lose (however, the Yanks might want to move him to the NL). After 2010, his salary will increase significantly, but thats the time that we lose some of our current contracts. Take advantage of the Texas money if at all possible.

[shnsajax]

No GM in their right mind should trade for Arod, because Arod SHOULD opt out of his contract.

 

If he does NOT opt out, then he will be 35 when he gets his next payday. Considering the condition he keeps himself in, i imagine it would still be a 15-20 mill/year payday.

 

If he opts out now, he is coming off a historic season and is only 32. His value now is 20-30 mill/year. He will probably get a very similar contract (25/8-10) that he got earlier. That financially makes more sense, and allows him to pick his team. He even could go 20/8-10 and have an even wider selection of teams.

 

His value will not be higher in the next 3 years then it is now, and if you subtact Torre and Arod from the Yankees, and consider that the free agent pitching class is weak (and the yankees pitching is a problem), then that has to make Yankees not a favorite for a WS ring (or even appearance) .

 

You save 21M by trading for him and just extending him because TX would still be on the hook.

 

1. I thought texas only paid for the first few years and that this was the last year of the payment.

2. You would have to pay dearly to stop Arod from testing the market. I know that the cubs save 21 million (unless point 1 is right), but is the money really saved when you view rest of the market? Aram has a good contract (relatively), and the market is in one of the high end upswings right now. I think financially, in the long run for most GM's, it makes more sense to just wait, pay the extra few million and keep your star players. Especially if they are young stars who could offset the cost of Arod initially.

 

EDIT: Just looked it up...Point 1 is wrong. Texas is still paying for him.

 

The thing about stopping ARod from testing the market is that if you have that TX money you can essentially (by way of extention) outbid anyone he'd sign for as a FA by 21M and still end up paying the same as any of those teams who would sign him as a FA would pay because 21M of that would be coming from Texas.

 

If the yankees know that they won't retain him then they should try to trade him for anything. Anything is better than ARod walking away and getting nothing in return. Although, the Yanks can and will offer him arbi if he voids the contract, so you'd have to give them the equivalent of a back of the first round + sandwich pick talent. I'd love to trade Samardzjia + Veal/Petrick/Gallagher/someone else for ARod and sign him to an extention. Although, I'm guessing we would have to be in a bidding war with the Angels on this one, which we'll lose (however, the Yanks might want to move him to the NL). After 2010, his salary will increase significantly, but thats the time that we lose some of our current contracts. Take advantage of the Texas money if at all possible.

 

He must opt out within 10 days of the end of the World Series, I don't think the Yankees can trade him before that.

[Guest]

The Giants have the money to spend, but I don't see A-Rod going to a team that will most likely be in last place for the next umpteen years.

 

Outside of a nice front 3 of Cain, Lincecum and Zito, they have NOTHING.

 

Add Zito and they could easily have one of the top rotations in the game. Pitching is very important. Add Arod, and they aren't as far as people think. They don't have much else offensively, but they will probably have the most money to spend. We will see if Arod runs for the money again, like he did when he went to Texas.

 

You want me to add him again? I have him as part of the front 3.

 

Don't forget Noah Lowry.

 

Decent 4/5 guy, but they'd be best served trading him to some sucker who thinks his numbers this year weren't fluky.

 

Yeesh. Just looked at the stats and saw his 1.55 WHIP this year. I figured he'd be a 3 behind Cain and Lincecum but you're more accurate with the 4/5 assessment. He's got to get the WHIP down if he expects his success to continue. Also interesting is that his K/BB ratio has plummeted the last four years.

[BigbadB]

Yeesh. Just looked at the stats and saw his 1.55 WHIP this year. I figured he'd be a 3 behind Cain and Lincecum but you're more accurate with the 4/5 assessment. He's got to get the WHIP down if he expects his success to continue. Also interesting is that his K/BB ratio has plummeted the last four years.

 

And his WHIP has gotten worse each year he's been in the bigs.

 

Hence my reason for stating that San Fran doesn't have much outside of their starting 3 of Cain, Lincecum and Zito.

[Guest]

Yeesh. Just looked at the stats and saw his 1.55 WHIP this year. I figured he'd be a 3 behind Cain and Lincecum but you're more accurate with the 4/5 assessment. He's got to get the WHIP down if he expects his success to continue. Also interesting is that his K/BB ratio has plummeted the last four years.

 

And his WHIP has gotten worse each year he's been in the bigs.

 

Hence my reason for stating that San Fran doesn't have much outside of their starting 3 of Cain, Lincecum and Zito.

 

And Zito.

[nilodnayr]

No GM in their right mind should trade for Arod, because Arod SHOULD opt out of his contract.

 

If he does NOT opt out, then he will be 35 when he gets his next payday. Considering the condition he keeps himself in, i imagine it would still be a 15-20 mill/year payday.

 

If he opts out now, he is coming off a historic season and is only 32. His value now is 20-30 mill/year. He will probably get a very similar contract (25/8-10) that he got earlier. That financially makes more sense, and allows him to pick his team. He even could go 20/8-10 and have an even wider selection of teams.

 

His value will not be higher in the next 3 years then it is now, and if you subtact Torre and Arod from the Yankees, and consider that the free agent pitching class is weak (and the yankees pitching is a problem), then that has to make Yankees not a favorite for a WS ring (or even appearance) .

 

You save 21M by trading for him and just extending him because TX would still be on the hook.

 

1. I thought texas only paid for the first few years and that this was the last year of the payment.

2. You would have to pay dearly to stop Arod from testing the market. I know that the cubs save 21 million (unless point 1 is right), but is the money really saved when you view rest of the market? Aram has a good contract (relatively), and the market is in one of the high end upswings right now. I think financially, in the long run for most GM's, it makes more sense to just wait, pay the extra few million and keep your star players. Especially if they are young stars who could offset the cost of Arod initially.

 

EDIT: Just looked it up...Point 1 is wrong. Texas is still paying for him.

 

The thing about stopping ARod from testing the market is that if you have that TX money you can essentially (by way of extention) outbid anyone he'd sign for as a FA by 21M and still end up paying the same as any of those teams who would sign him as a FA would pay because 21M of that would be coming from Texas.

 

If the yankees know that they won't retain him then they should try to trade him for anything. Anything is better than ARod walking away and getting nothing in return. Although, the Yanks can and will offer him arbi if he voids the contract, so you'd have to give them the equivalent of a back of the first round + sandwich pick talent. I'd love to trade Samardzjia + Veal/Petrick/Gallagher/someone else for ARod and sign him to an extention. Although, I'm guessing we would have to be in a bidding war with the Angels on this one, which we'll lose (however, the Yanks might want to move him to the NL). After 2010, his salary will increase significantly, but thats the time that we lose some of our current contracts. Take advantage of the Texas money if at all possible.

 

He must opt out within 10 days of the end of the World Series, I don't think the Yankees can trade him before that.

 

Yeah, I was wondering about that...is the earliest you can start trading Nov 11?

[BigbadB]

Yeesh. Just looked at the stats and saw his 1.55 WHIP this year. I figured he'd be a 3 behind Cain and Lincecum but you're more accurate with the 4/5 assessment. He's got to get the WHIP down if he expects his success to continue. Also interesting is that his K/BB ratio has plummeted the last four years.

 

And his WHIP has gotten worse each year he's been in the bigs.

 

Hence my reason for stating that San Fran doesn't have much outside of their starting 3 of Cain, Lincecum and Zito.

 

And Zito.

 

I have the perfect response to that.

 

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