Pinella going with a 3-man rotation

[Vanilla Ice]

From BleedCubbieBlue

 

WSCR interviewed Piniella and stated that he was going to go with a 3-man rotation of Z, Lilly & Hill and then Zambrano would go on a 3-day rest for game 4 (if necessary )and Lilly on regular 4-day rest, again if necessary. If the Cubs have a 2-1 lead it will force Melvin to make the same decision of either starting Webb game 4 or hold to game 5. Cubs advantage.

 

This is a prelude to Marquis being left off but I still think they will allow a mechanic or small injury as the excuse and that he will be on in a 7-game series.

 

This I think means both Marshall and Hart go with the team to AZ

 

I realize that this is from a blog and I have not checked this anywhere else yet, but I figured I would share the good news

[chuckywang]

From BleedCubbieBlue

 

WSCR interviewed Piniella and stated that he was going to go with a 3-man rotation of Z, Lilly & Hill and then Zambrano would go on a 3-day rest for game 4 (if necessary )and Lilly on regular 4-day rest, again if necessary. If the Cubs have a 2-1 lead it will force Melvin to make the same decision of either starting Webb game 4 or hold to game 5. Cubs advantage.

 

This is a prelude to Marquis being left off but I still think they will allow a mechanic or small injury as the excuse and that he will be on in a 7-game series.

 

This I think means both Marshall and Hart go with the team to AZ

 

I realize that this is from a blog and I have not checked this anywhere else yet, but I figured I would share the good news

 

Hmm....hopefully Z does better than his last time on 3 day's rest. Why not switch up Lilly and Z?

[KingCubsFan]

I'm glad to see Marquis off the roster, but does anyone really want Z going on 3 day's rest? What about Marshall getting consideration?

[CuseCubFan69]

So is Jennie Finch pitching the 4th game?

[David]

I'm glad to see Marquis off the roster, but does anyone really want Z going on 3 day's rest? What about Marshall getting consideration?

 

As much as I like Marshall, I think Z on 3 days rest and Lilly on normal rest (potential games 4 and 5) >> fresh Marshall and Z on normal rest.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm glad to see Marquis off the roster, but does anyone really want Z going on 3 day's rest? What about Marshall getting consideration?

 

As much as I like Marshall, I think Z on 3 days rest and Lilly on normal rest (potential games 4 and 5) >> fresh Marshall and Z on normal rest.

 

Yeah, I could buy into that too.

[kente777]

I know Z didn't do well on his "3 day rest" game, but I'm not so sure we can contribute that to lack of rest as opposed to he simply did not pitch well that particular game. Z has been inconsistent and I think his inconsitency just showed up on that particular day.

 

I like going with a 3 man rotation. I think Z will be fine. Anything to keep Marquis from pitching!

[Soul]

I don't know if we have much choice but to do this. Lou obviously isn't going to put the ball into Marquis' hands unless he really has to.

 

I think YES, I would take Z on 3 days rest over Marquis on normal rest, though obviously I would rather Marquis simply not suck. That's not gonna happen, so Z it is.

[kente777]

I don't know if we have much choice but to do this. Lou obviously isn't going to put the ball into Marquis' hands unless he really has to.

 

I think YES, I would take Z on 3 days rest over Marquis on normal rest, though obviously I would rather Marquis simply not suck. That's not gonna happen, so Z it is.

 

Just imagine if Dusty were managing us this year. He's probably call Dave Veres and ask him to pitch.

[Soul]

I don't know if we have much choice but to do this. Lou obviously isn't going to put the ball into Marquis' hands unless he really has to.

 

I think YES, I would take Z on 3 days rest over Marquis on normal rest, though obviously I would rather Marquis simply not suck. That's not gonna happen, so Z it is.

 

Just imagine if Dusty were managing us this year. He's probably call Dave Veres and ask him to pitch.

 

Not to mention he would have our starters so tired by the time October rolled around, their arms would be about to fall off.

[windycityfan]

Melikes!

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't know if we have much choice but to do this. Lou obviously isn't going to put the ball into Marquis' hands unless he really has to.

 

I think YES, I would take Z on 3 days rest over Marquis on normal rest, though obviously I would rather Marquis simply not suck. That's not gonna happen, so Z it is.

 

Just imagine if Dusty were managing us this year. He's probably call Dave Veres and ask him to pitch.

 

If Dusty were the manager they'd all be fishing right now.

[bukie]

Not to be a skeptic, but...

 

...is this "verified" by someone hearing something on the SCORE and reporting it to a fansite forum? Is this being picked up and reported anywhere else yet?

[windycityfan]

If Dusty were the manager they'd all be fishing right now.

 

Word

[David]

Not to be a skeptic, but...

 

...is this "verified" by someone hearing something on the SCORE and reporting it to a fansite forum? Is this being picked up and reported anywhere else yet?

 

 

Piniella said it this morning on the Score. I've heard it.

[kente777]

Not to be a skeptic, but...

 

...is this "verified" by someone hearing something on the SCORE and reporting it to a fansite forum? Is this being picked up and reported anywhere else yet?

 

 

Piniella said it this morning on the Score. I've heard it.

 

I like Lou Piniella!!!

[Anomalied]

I'd rather have Lilly on 3 days' rest and have Zambrano start the first and last game of the series. Then, he'd also be line to start the first game of the NLCS.

 

I'd also advocate using Marshall as a long reliever if any of the starters begin to struggle. In his August 24th start against Arizona, he pitched six innings of two hit ball, striking out five and picking up the win.

[David]

I'd rather have Lilly on 3 days' rest and have Zambrano start the first and last game of the series. Then, he'd also be line to start the first game of the NLCS.

 

I'd also advocate using Marshall as a long reliever if any of the starters begin to struggle. In his August 24th start against Arizona, he pitched six innings of two hit ball, striking out five and picking up the win.

 

Lilly would not be on 3 days rest if Z is pitching the first and last games.

[E.J.]

I'd rather have Lilly on 3 days' rest and have Zambrano start the first and last game of the series. Then, he'd also be line to start the first game of the NLCS.

 

I'd also advocate using Marshall as a long reliever if any of the starters begin to struggle. In his August 24th start against Arizona, he pitched six innings of two hit ball, striking out five and picking up the win.

 

You'd have to start Lilly the first game to have him go on 3-days rest for Game 4. If he's pitching game 2, then he's only getting 2-days rest.

 

I'd actually have preferred to start Lilly in game 1 and let him go in game 4 if we're going with a 3-man rotation. Lilly is more suited to go on short rest than Z is, and Lilly proved that he can do well on 3-days rest as well. I also worry about Z being way too pumped up for game 1.

[CubmanPi]

I'd rather have Lilly on 3 days' rest and have Zambrano start the first and last game of the series. Then, he'd also be line to start the first game of the NLCS.

 

I'd also advocate using Marshall as a long reliever if any of the starters begin to struggle. In his August 24th start against Arizona, he pitched six innings of two hit ball, striking out five and picking up the win.

Is it even possible for these two to happen simultaneously?

[Roast]

Eh, I don't know exactly how I feel about Z on 3 days rest. Here are his numbers (via baseball-reference.com) on 3 days of rest:

 

 Carlos Zambrano Career Splits:  3 Days

I    Year          G   GS  GF  W   L   S   CG SHO   IP     ERA    H    R   ER   HR  BB  IBB  SO  HBP Year
+-+-------+-----------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+----+
     2002           2   0   0   0   0   0   0   0    3     3.00    2    1    1   0    0   0    2   0 2002 
     2007           1   1   0   0   1   0   0   0    5.1   6.75    7    4    4   1    3   1    1   1 2007 
-+-------+-----------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+----+
I    Year          G   GS  GF  W   L   S   CG SHO   IP     ERA    H    R   ER   HR  BB  IBB  SO  HBP Year

 

He has only ever pitched on 3 days of rest 3 times, only one was a start. Here are his collective numbers on 3 days rest:

 

I Split          G   GS  GF  W   L   S   CG SHO   IP     ERA    H    R   ER   HR  BB  IBB  SO  HBP
+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+

  3 Days          3   1   0   0   1   0   0   0    8.1   5.40    9    5    5   1    3   1    3   1 

 

I dunno.

[CubmanPi]

I also worry about Z being way too pumped up for game 1.

I think he was also way pumped for his last home start, when his first inning involved 3 Ks in a grand total of about 90 seconds, so that at least presents the possibility that he can harness being overly pumped. Also, he'll be on the road for game one, so that could help too.

[David]

Yea. I mean, the sample size really tells us nothing, but the history of SP's going on short rest is not good. Once they're playing, though, that's out the window. Beckett seemed to do pretty well being pitched what seemed like every 2 days in 2003.

 

What it comes down to is that Z in game 4 on short rest and Lilly on normal rest in game 5 beats any realistic alternative, because Lou is not going to pitch Lilly ahead of his "ace."

[Roast]

I also worry about Z being way too pumped up for game 1.

I think he was also way pumped for his last home start, when his first inning involved 3 Ks in a grand total of about 90 seconds, so that at least presents the possibility that he can harness being overly pumped. Also, he'll be on the road for game one, so that could help too.

 

Exactly. I think th days of Z getting overly pumped and losing his control because of it are starting to pass. He's gotten better at controlling himself out on the mound, and using his almost in-human amount of adrenaline to his advantage.

[Roast]

Yea. I mean, the sample size really tells us nothing, but the history of SP's going on short rest is not good. Once they're playing, though, that's out the window. Beckett seemed to do pretty well being pitched what seemed like every 2 days in 2003.

 

What it comes down to is that Z in game 4 on short rest and Lilly on normal rest in game 5 beats any realistic alternative, because Lou is not going to pitch Lilly ahead of his "ace."

 

Yeah, i'm not totally opposed to it. The sample size is minuscule but it fits in to what we already know; pitchers usually do worse on short rest. But, at the end of the day, I guess the question becomes "Who would you rather have. Z on 3 days rest or Marquis/Marshall/Trachsel fully rested."

 

The choice is clearly Z, imo.