Do We Really Want This Team to Make the Playoffs?

[MikeyLikesCubbies]

I just don't get this thread. If you don't want this team to make the playoffs, then why watch? Why dedicate your time to posting messages on this board? Isn't a chance at the World Series what we all want?

 

Now, I'm a Bronco fan, and last year, I said they didn't deserve to go to the playoffs, and honestly didn't want them to go, but only because I knew they didn't stand a chance. Baseball is different though. Every team has a shot, all they have to do is get hot. You guys seriously don't think that the Cubs in June-July couldn't have beat any team in a 7-game series?

 

I would be ok with watching this team lose for another 99 years just to see them win the World Series once. You can't win if you don't play, and I'll take any chance that arises.

[bcl412]

When you cheer for bad teams like I do you always want them to make the playoffs. At the worst it always gives your team experience that they may need later. Look at the Cards.

[Peoriaman]

somebody kill this stupid thread.

[kente777]

somebody kill this stupid thread.

 

I don't think this is a stupid thread at all.

 

Everyone posting in this thread is a diehard Cubs fan. Yes, I want them in the playoffs, but there's a bigger part of me that wants them to get even better in the years to come. I'm not sure them repeating another 2004 is the way to do that, but maybe it is. Thus, this thread.

 

Personally, I would much rather have a Cubs team that is decisively better than all the rest of the teams. I think the 1969 team came very close. I would much rather have everyone laud the Cubs as having a great team than having an average team that just got lucky in the playoffs.

 

But I will tell you this. If the Cubs do make the playoffs, they are going to have to play June/July baseball throughout because these are not going to be crappy baseball teams we'll be playing. The Cubs are certainly capable, but out of the 6 months of regular season baseball, only 1/3 of the season has been enjoyable and playoff worthy. The fact that we have hit 20 homers already this month may be an indication that we're starting to get our power back at the right time.

 

We'll see.

 

Ken

[nolanwood]

This is without a doubt the dumbest thread I've seen on NSBB.

 

I want the Cubs to not make the playoffs this year because I'm a Diehard Cubs fan and I want them to have better teams in the future? I want to see the greatest Cubs team of all time - I want to see the Cubs field a winning team every year. Whatever...who doesn't?

 

I'll take a Cubs team that isn't the greatest lineup in the history of baseball, but takes advantage of a crappy division and gets hot during the postseason bringing a World Series back to the Northside after 99 years.

[nilodnayr]

This is without a doubt the dumbest thread I've seen on NSBB.

 

I want the Cubs to not make the playoffs this year because I'm a Diehard Cubs fan and I want them to have better teams in the future? I want to see the greatest Cubs team of all time - I want to see the Cubs field a winning team every year. Whatever...who doesn't?

 

I'll take a Cubs team that isn't the greatest lineup in the history of baseball, but takes advantage of a crappy division and gets hot during the postseason bringing a World Series back to the Northside after 99 years.

 

I guess the rest of us plan on not dying before next October.

[nilodnayr]

The 1969 Cubs should've made the playoffs but didn't. The 1984 Cubs should've made the World Series, but didn't. The 2003 Cubs should've made the World Series, but didn't. You know, things don't always work out as they should. I'll gladly take a trip to the postseason, and I'll enjoy it too. Those of you who don't want them to make it, don't watch when they do. Let the rest of us fans who actually prefer our team to win enjoy the ride.

 

What an assenine comment. If you've read this thread you'd know that the whole argument for wanting the cubs to miss the playoffs is because fans would like to be able to point to more than 3 out of the last 40 seasons as seasons we had a chance.

The word you're looking for is asinine.

 

What's "assenine" is your logic. People don't want the Cubs to make the playoffs because we've been lousy in the past? That's just flat out stupid.

 

No real fan would ever want the team they supposedly support to not make the playoffs.

 

Correcting spelling...the sure sign of someone who has a weak argument.

 

I'll bold the asinine comment. If you've read the thread at allyou will realize that those who may not want the team to win, only do so because they are fans who would like to "enjoy the ride" more often than they have been able to in the past. Your implication that those who do not want them to make it to the playoffs aren't real fans just make you look ignorant/you haven't read the thread/unable to follow very simple logic that has been clearly delineated multiple times.

[minnesotacubsfan]

This is without a doubt the dumbest thread I've seen on NSBB.

 

I want the Cubs to not make the playoffs this year because I'm a Diehard Cubs fan and I want them to have better teams in the future? I want to see the greatest Cubs team of all time - I want to see the Cubs field a winning team every year. Whatever...who doesn't?

 

I'll take a Cubs team that isn't the greatest lineup in the history of baseball, but takes advantage of a crappy division and gets hot during the postseason bringing a World Series back to the Northside after 99 years.

 

I guess the rest of us plan on not dying before next October.

 

I'll take any cubs playoff tema i can get, and just making the playoffs shouldnt derail us from getting a better tema. if it does, management changes need to be made.

 

 

G'by Hendry.

[nolanwood]

This is without a doubt the dumbest thread I've seen on NSBB.

 

I want the Cubs to not make the playoffs this year because I'm a Diehard Cubs fan and I want them to have better teams in the future? I want to see the greatest Cubs team of all time - I want to see the Cubs field a winning team every year. Whatever...who doesn't?

 

I'll take a Cubs team that isn't the greatest lineup in the history of baseball, but takes advantage of a crappy division and gets hot during the postseason bringing a World Series back to the Northside after 99 years.

 

I guess the rest of us plan on not dying before next October.

 

They spent a fortune in the offseason for this exact reason - to get us to the postseason. And once we get close, now you want the team to tank so we'll have a better team in the future? This is the kinda logic only a tortured soul like a Cubs fan could conjure up.

[nilodnayr]

I just don't get this thread. If you don't want this team to make the playoffs, then why watch? Why dedicate your time to posting messages on this board? Isn't a chance at the World Series what we all want?

 

Now, I'm a Bronco fan, and last year, I said they didn't deserve to go to the playoffs, and honestly didn't want them to go, but only because I knew they didn't stand a chance. Baseball is different though. Every team has a shot, all they have to do is get hot. You guys seriously don't think that the Cubs in June-July couldn't have beat any team in a 7-game series?

 

I would be ok with watching this team lose for another 99 years just to see them win the World Series once. You can't win if you don't play, and I'll take any chance that arises.

 

You allude to the fact that every team has a shot, once they get into the playoffs. Meaning that once you get into the playoffs, the chance you will win is 1/8. So, simply speaking, the cubs have been getting into the playoffs about once every 4 years. Meaning we will get into the playoffs 8 times in the next 32 years (1 world series). The assumption in the thread is that if the cubs miss the playoffs there will be a turnover in philosphy which will lead to a better team which will result in a team that gets into the playoffs once every other year (or more due to the weak division). Meaning we will get into the playoffs at least 16 times in the next 32 years (2 world series). Thats the thread in a nutshell.

 

If people understand that concept, the only thing worth debating are the assumptions made of what will happen if the team loses to lead them to creating a better team.

[kente777]

This is without a doubt the dumbest thread I've seen on NSBB.

 

I want the Cubs to not make the playoffs this year because I'm a Diehard Cubs fan and I want them to have better teams in the future? I want to see the greatest Cubs team of all time - I want to see the Cubs field a winning team every year. Whatever...who doesn't?

 

I'll take a Cubs team that isn't the greatest lineup in the history of baseball, but takes advantage of a crappy division and gets hot during the postseason bringing a World Series back to the Northside after 99 years.

 

I think you and every else who thinks this is a dumb or stupid thread are missing the point.

 

The point is: What will it take for the Cubs to be a winning organization??

 

One opinion says that major suckage is the way to go. Get the fans so sick of mediocrity and consistently not making the playoffs that you'll finally see a philosophy change from managment. To be fair, we've been sucking for a long time and management hadn't really done a whole lot to change that.

 

The other opinion is that "winning makes everything better." In other words, if we win, no matter how sloppily, management will change.

 

I think the author's reasoning is that if we barely scrape into the playoffs, this would be enough to keep bringing the fans into Wrigley and keep managment from really changing the PHILOSOPHY of this team. There truly is a problem with this organization and it's been a problem for a long, long time. The philosophy needs an major overhall.

 

This club has a lot of holes and it's managment's fault. I just hope either way, whether we win or lose, managment will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to bring a championship to the Northside.

 

Ken

[nilodnayr]

This is without a doubt the dumbest thread I've seen on NSBB.

 

I want the Cubs to not make the playoffs this year because I'm a Diehard Cubs fan and I want them to have better teams in the future? I want to see the greatest Cubs team of all time - I want to see the Cubs field a winning team every year. Whatever...who doesn't?

 

I'll take a Cubs team that isn't the greatest lineup in the history of baseball, but takes advantage of a crappy division and gets hot during the postseason bringing a World Series back to the Northside after 99 years.

 

I guess the rest of us plan on not dying before next October.

 

They spent a fortune in the offseason for this exact reason - to get us to the postseason. And once we get close, now you want the team to tank so we'll have a better team in the future? This is the kinda logic only a tortured soul like a Cubs fan could conjure up.

 

Me personally? If you've read the thread you will see that I want them to win because I think the assumptions that if they don't make it they will become a better team are fairly weak given their current situation.

 

If you told me that I could sacrifice making the playoffs this season for a much improved team for next year and beyond that would have a significantly greater chance of making the playoffs more often than the current team, then hell yes, I'd want to miss the playoffs. Exactly that, I don't plan on dying before next season. The more times you are in the playoffs, the better chance you have of winning a WS. Everyone seems to conceed that point, yet few are taking the logic to the next level.

 

I sure hope Hendry spent a fortune in the offseason not to get the cubs into the playoffs in 2007, but to get them in as many times as possible 2007-2012 or so. If youre going for broke in year 1 when you just signed mutiple long term 9 figure contracts, well then you are a complete idiot.

[minnesotacubsfan]

This is without a doubt the dumbest thread I've seen on NSBB.

 

I want the Cubs to not make the playoffs this year because I'm a Diehard Cubs fan and I want them to have better teams in the future? I want to see the greatest Cubs team of all time - I want to see the Cubs field a winning team every year. Whatever...who doesn't?

 

I'll take a Cubs team that isn't the greatest lineup in the history of baseball, but takes advantage of a crappy division and gets hot during the postseason bringing a World Series back to the Northside after 99 years.

 

I think you and every else who thinks this is a dumb or stupid thread are missing the point.

 

The point is: What will it take for the Cubs to be a winning organization??

 

One opinion says that major suckage is the way to go. Get the fans so sick of mediocrity and consistently not making the playoffs that you'll finally see a philosophy change from managment. To be fair, we've been sucking for a long time and management hadn't really done a whole lot to change that.

 

The other opinion is that "winning makes everything better." In other words, if we win, no matter how sloppily, management will change.

 

I think the author's reasoning is that if we barely scrape into the playoffs, this would be enough to keep bringing the fans into Wrigley and keep managment from really changing the PHILOSOPHY of this team. There truly is a problem with this organization and it's been a problem for a long, long time. The philosophy needs an major overhall.

 

This club has a lot of holes and it's managment's fault. I just hope either way, whether we win or lose, managment will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to bring a championship to the Northside.

 

Ken

 

And I KNOW it wont matter if the Cubs make the playoffs or not, they will continue down the same managerial path once the season is over. They'll use the playoffs as an excuse to do business as usual, but in reality, they are marching straight forward and have been for 5 years, that wont change.

 

I'll take an off chance that we might actually win something in the process.

[nolanwood]

You allude to the fact that every team has a shot, once they get into the playoffs. Meaning that once you get into the playoffs, the chance you will win is 1/8. So, simply speaking, the cubs have been getting into the playoffs about once every 4 years. Meaning we will get into the playoffs 8 times in the next 32 years (1 world series). The assumption in the thread is that if the cubs miss the playoffs there will be a turnover in philosphy which will lead to a better team which will result in a team that gets into the playoffs once every other year (or more due to the weak division). Meaning we will get into the playoffs at least 16 times in the next 32 years (2 world series). Thats the thread in a nutshell.

 

If people understand that concept, the only thing worth debating are the assumptions made of what will happen if the team loses to lead them to creating a better team.

 

First, the Cubs have only made it to the postseason 11 in the last 99 years. According to my calculations, that's once every 9 years. One could argue that they've made it 1/5 years recently; then I would argue small sample size.

 

I understand the concept, but what makes you think if we lose this year it will be any different than the other 98 years? AND, what will make this offseason different than last year when they addressed this problem and spent millions of dollars?

[CuseCubFan69]

You allude to the fact that every team has a shot, once they get into the playoffs. Meaning that once you get into the playoffs, the chance you will win is 1/8. So, simply speaking, the cubs have been getting into the playoffs about once every 4 years. Meaning we will get into the playoffs 8 times in the next 32 years (1 world series). The assumption in the thread is that if the cubs miss the playoffs there will be a turnover in philosphy which will lead to a better team which will result in a team that gets into the playoffs once every other year (or more due to the weak division). Meaning we will get into the playoffs at least 16 times in the next 32 years (2 world series). Thats the thread in a nutshell.

 

If people understand that concept, the only thing worth debating are the assumptions made of what will happen if the team loses to lead them to creating a better team.

 

First, the Cubs have only made it to the postseason 11 in the last 99 years. According to my calculations, that's once every 9 years. One could argue that they've made it 1/5 years recently; then I would argue small sample size.

 

I understand the concept, but what makes you think if we lose this year it will be any different than the other 98 years? AND, what will make this offseason different than last year when they addressed this problem and spent millions of dollars?

 

I may be alone in this but I think Lou will help Hendry see what is needed to win and hopefully steer Hendry in the right direction. Lou has repeatedly said he wants hitters that take pitches and hopefully he'll show Hendry the light. If the Cubs win and go to the playoffs, it might even prove Lou's point even more when good pitchers expose that weakness on the big stage.

[Peoriaman]

Actually not making the play-offs is bad. Management will see that spending money does not work and will close up the wallet.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Actually not making the play-offs is bad. Management will see that spending money does not work and will close up the wallet.

 

and making the playoffs will be bad cuz they'll continue to think spending buko bucks on mediocre players works.

 

dmaned if we do-damned if we dont

[brinoch]

Going to the playoffs is better than not going to the playoffs. Pretty simple, to my mind.

 

Look, I'm no Hendry fan, but even I think the Cubs management is smart enough to realize that you can't count on the division being terrible every year in order to make the playoffs. Any way you slice it, winning ~83-86 games with a payroll of greater than $100M isn't exactly a tremendous success. Regardless of who is the Cubs GM, that person and his team will seek to upgrade over the offseason -- they won't stand pat. The problem with Hendry and his crew don't seem to understand how to put an effective offense together.

[kente777]

You allude to the fact that every team has a shot, once they get into the playoffs. Meaning that once you get into the playoffs, the chance you will win is 1/8. So, simply speaking, the cubs have been getting into the playoffs about once every 4 years. Meaning we will get into the playoffs 8 times in the next 32 years (1 world series). The assumption in the thread is that if the cubs miss the playoffs there will be a turnover in philosphy which will lead to a better team which will result in a team that gets into the playoffs once every other year (or more due to the weak division). Meaning we will get into the playoffs at least 16 times in the next 32 years (2 world series). Thats the thread in a nutshell.

 

If people understand that concept, the only thing worth debating are the assumptions made of what will happen if the team loses to lead them to creating a better team.

 

First, the Cubs have only made it to the postseason 11 in the last 99 years. According to my calculations, that's once every 9 years. One could argue that they've made it 1/5 years recently; then I would argue small sample size.

 

I understand the concept, but what makes you think if we lose this year it will be any different than the other 98 years? AND, what will make this offseason different than last year when they addressed this problem and spent millions of dollars?

 

I may be alone in this but I think Lou will help Hendry see what is needed to win and hopefully steer Hendry in the right direction. Lou has repeatedly said he wants hitters that take pitches and hopefully he'll show Hendry the light. If the Cubs win and go to the playoffs, it might even prove Lou's point even more when good pitchers expose that weakness on the big stage.

 

Lou certainly didn't have much influence on the Soriano signing then. Seriously, this guy hacks at everything. Yeah, he goes through streaks where he hits a ton of homers, but he also goes through streaks where he looks like an absolute fool at the plate.

 

Maybe, because Lou had not yet mananged the team, he didn't feel he had earned Hendry's respect to dissuade him from signing Soriano. Unfortunately, we are stuck with an 8 year, gazillion dollar contract for a guy who swings at everything at the plate. Not wise, and certainly contadicts Lou's OBP philosophy -- IF that truly is his philosophy.

Ken

[CuseCubFan69]

You allude to the fact that every team has a shot, once they get into the playoffs. Meaning that once you get into the playoffs, the chance you will win is 1/8. So, simply speaking, the cubs have been getting into the playoffs about once every 4 years. Meaning we will get into the playoffs 8 times in the next 32 years (1 world series). The assumption in the thread is that if the cubs miss the playoffs there will be a turnover in philosphy which will lead to a better team which will result in a team that gets into the playoffs once every other year (or more due to the weak division). Meaning we will get into the playoffs at least 16 times in the next 32 years (2 world series). Thats the thread in a nutshell.

 

If people understand that concept, the only thing worth debating are the assumptions made of what will happen if the team loses to lead them to creating a better team.

 

First, the Cubs have only made it to the postseason 11 in the last 99 years. According to my calculations, that's once every 9 years. One could argue that they've made it 1/5 years recently; then I would argue small sample size.

 

I understand the concept, but what makes you think if we lose this year it will be any different than the other 98 years? AND, what will make this offseason different than last year when they addressed this problem and spent millions of dollars?

 

I may be alone in this but I think Lou will help Hendry see what is needed to win and hopefully steer Hendry in the right direction. Lou has repeatedly said he wants hitters that take pitches and hopefully he'll show Hendry the light. If the Cubs win and go to the playoffs, it might even prove Lou's point even more when good pitchers expose that weakness on the big stage.

 

Lou certainly didn't have much influence on the Soriano signing then. Seriously, this guy hacks at everything. Yeah, he goes through streaks where he hits a ton of homers, but he also goes through streaks where he looks like an absolute fool at the plate.

 

Maybe, because Lou had not yet mananged the team, he didn't feel he had earned Hendry's respect to dissuade him from signing Soriano. Unfortunately, we are stuck with an 8 year, gazillion dollar contract for a guy who swings at everything at the plate. Not wise, and certainly contadicts Lou's OBP philosophy -- IF that truly is his philosophy.

Ken

 

Soriano was the best available free agent and imo he was going to be signed by Hendry even if the king of patience was the manager.

[kente777]

...king of patience....

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[SoonerCubFan]

I sure hope Hendry spent a fortune in the offseason not to get the cubs into the playoffs in 2007, but to get them in as many times as possible 2007-2012 or so. If youre going for broke in year 1 when you just signed mutiple long term 9 figure contracts, well then you are a complete idiot.

 

It would seem to me that signing the core of the team (Ramirez, Lee, Zambrano, Soriano, etc. ) to long term contracts would have the very goal of fielding a competitive team for the long run. This is a HUGE change in philosophy compared to previous management methods where they may elect to pay one guy to fill the seats and let the others go.

 

With a young core of solid intra-organizational players like Soto, Theriot, Fontenot and Pie, they should be in a position to go after an ARod or Cabrera to finish off the everyday lineup. And the thing is: now we (or at least I) actually think that they might just get it done, no matter how far they go this year.

[nilodnayr]

With a young core of solid intra-organizational players like Soto, Theriot, Fontenot and Pie, they should be in a position to go after an ARod or Cabrera to finish off the everyday lineup. And the thing is: now we (or at least I) actually think that they might just get it done, no matter how far they go this year.

 

Even if all 4 of those young guys start, our salary for 2008 is already higher than it is for 2007, without an ARod acquisition. We aren't getting ARod, unless we add over 30M to the payroll.

[Mizzou]

The 1969 Cubs should've made the playoffs but didn't. The 1984 Cubs should've made the World Series, but didn't. The 2003 Cubs should've made the World Series, but didn't. You know, things don't always work out as they should. I'll gladly take a trip to the postseason, and I'll enjoy it too. Those of you who don't want them to make it, don't watch when they do. Let the rest of us fans who actually prefer our team to win enjoy the ride.

 

What an assenine comment. If you've read this thread you'd know that the whole argument for wanting the cubs to miss the playoffs is because fans would like to be able to point to more than 3 out of the last 40 seasons as seasons we had a chance.

The word you're looking for is asinine.

 

What's "assenine" is your logic. People don't want the Cubs to make the playoffs because we've been lousy in the past? That's just flat out stupid.

 

No real fan would ever want the team they supposedly support to not make the playoffs.

 

Correcting spelling...the sure sign of someone who has a weak argument.

 

I'll bold the asinine comment. If you've read the thread at allyou will realize that those who may not want the team to win, only do so because they are fans who would like to "enjoy the ride" more often than they have been able to in the past. Your implication that those who do not want them to make it to the playoffs aren't real fans just make you look ignorant/you haven't read the thread/unable to follow very simple logic that has been clearly delineated multiple times.

If you're going to comment on the intelligence of my post, at least freaking spell the words right that way you don't make yourself look like a complete... nevermind.

 

Regarding the body of your post... all that needs to be said is that if you don't want the Cubs to make the playoffs, you're not a true fan. It's that simple.

[nilodnayr]

The 1969 Cubs should've made the playoffs but didn't. The 1984 Cubs should've made the World Series, but didn't. The 2003 Cubs should've made the World Series, but didn't. You know, things don't always work out as they should. I'll gladly take a trip to the postseason, and I'll enjoy it too. Those of you who don't want them to make it, don't watch when they do. Let the rest of us fans who actually prefer our team to win enjoy the ride.

 

What an assenine comment. If you've read this thread you'd know that the whole argument for wanting the cubs to miss the playoffs is because fans would like to be able to point to more than 3 out of the last 40 seasons as seasons we had a chance.

The word you're looking for is asinine.

 

What's "assenine" is your logic. People don't want the Cubs to make the playoffs because we've been lousy in the past? That's just flat out stupid.

 

No real fan would ever want the team they supposedly support to not make the playoffs.

 

Correcting spelling...the sure sign of someone who has a weak argument.

 

I'll bold the asinine comment. If you've read the thread at allyou will realize that those who may not want the team to win, only do so because they are fans who would like to "enjoy the ride" more often than they have been able to in the past. Your implication that those who do not want them to make it to the playoffs aren't real fans just make you look ignorant/you haven't read the thread/unable to follow very simple logic that has been clearly delineated multiple times.

If you're going to comment on the intelligence of my post, at least freaking spell the words right that way you don't make yourself look like a complete... nevermind.

 

Regarding the body of your post... all that needs to be said is that if you don't want the Cubs to make the playoffs, you're not a true fan. It's that simple.

 

Not if that fan believes that by not making the playoffs, the team will make the playoffs more often in the future. Like I said, I think its a flawed assumption, but really, how hard is that to understand?