What would you do/have done?

[David]

Since it looks like this trade deadline MAY pass without much Cubs activity, I was just curious as to what you guys would like/would have liked to see from this team and how you would've set this team up for a run into and through the postseason. As the season goes on I suppose we could see how our moves would've worked out.

 

 

Personally, I would have liked to have seen a trade for Lofton (beating the peanuts offer that Cleveland made) and I'd given up a package of Pie (if necessary) and others for Griffey.

 

Since Soriano isn't likely to move out of the leadoff spot anyway, I'd probably line them up like this.

 

Soriano, Lofton, Lee, Ramirez, Griffey, DeRosa, Theriot, Kendall

 

That team looks fairly stacked to me (for the NL, at least) and I don't think the moves would've been all that unrealistic (assuming the Reds are, as has been reported, at least somewhat open to dealing Jr. before he hits 600).

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

[Soriano12]

1) I would have avoided Kendall like the plague

2) I would have brought up Soto for good.

[weis21]

Pie and Veal for Tejada

 

and/or

 

a few decent prospects or Murton for Church (to play in CF)

[pitchcs]

Pie and Veal for Tejada

 

and/or

 

a few decent prospects or Murton for Church (to play in CF)

 

I'm not sure I'd do this. I really do like Felix.

[David]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

 

I'm not as high on Dunn, especially lately. I was in a discussion recently about Dunn, and I have to admit, I was sort of swayed.

 

Yes, he's an OPS machine. Is that misleading, though? His RC/27 is only 6.65 for his career. I think it's around 6.8 this year. Good, but I don't think it's especially good for a corner OF. Also, I could be wrong, but that seems much too low for a guy with almost a .900 OPS for his career.

 

He's getting paid like an elite hitter, too. I wouldn't say he's at that level in terms of production, even though he's very good. You could do a lot better than him, particularly for what he's getting paid. I just don't see the fascination.

 

I could understand if the production was going unnoticed and he wasn't getting paid like an elite hitter (because of his other shortcomings), but he's getting paid big anyway because he hits 40+HR a year. I definitely see his production. It's very good, but it's not elite, IMO, and I just don't see the value.

 

OK, I feel like I'm just babbling. I'm not even feeling like I can make a well reasoned argument right now, so whatever. I'll leave it at that.

Edited July 30, 2007 by David

[pitchcs]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

 

I'm not as high on Dunn, especially lately. I was in a discussion recently about Dunn, and I have to admit, I was sort of swayed.

 

Yes, he's an OPS machine. Is that misleading, though? His RC/27 is only 6.65 for his career. I think it's around 6.8 this year. Good, but I don't think it's especially good for a corner OF. Also, I could be wrong, but that seems much too low for a guy with almost a .900 OPS for his career.

 

He's getting paid like an elite hitter, too. I wouldn't say he's at that level in terms of production, even though he's very good. You could do a lot better than him, particularly for what he's getting paid. I just don't see the fascination.

 

I could understand if the production was going unnoticed and he wasn't getting paid like an elite hitter (because of his other shortcomings), but he's getting paid big anyway, because he hits 40+HR a year. I definitely see his production. It's very good, but it's not elite, IMO, and I just don't see the value.

 

OK, I feel like I'm just babbling. I'm not even feeling like I can make a well reasoned argument right now, so whatever. I'll leave it at that.

 

 

I like Dunn, but I just feel he is one of those players I'd go insane watching everday. So many highs and lows.

 

And I'm guessing his fundamental play would just piss me off entirely.

[Yestheydo]

I like Dunn, but I just feel he is one of those players I'd go insane watching everday. So many highs and lows.

 

And I'm guessing his fundamental play would just piss me off entirely.

As someone who lives near Cincy and watches the Reds almost as much as the Cubs, I can tell you this is true. The numbers may say he's a great hitter, but your eyes tell you he's a bum. I'd love to see the Cubs get him just to watch how the Dunn lovers around here cope with their inner conflict.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

 

That took all of one post to completely derail. :roll:

[USSoccer]

I would have never traded for Kendall, DFA'd Bowen and brought up Soto

 

I would have looked at Sosa for a RH platoon in RF. He could have been had very cheaply.

 

I would also have looked at Kenny Lofton and Eric Gagne.

 

I'd look at Ryan Church, Griffey and Dunn.

 

I would have pressed KC to see who they would have wanted for Grienke.

[pitchcs]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

 

That took all of one post to completely derail. :roll:

 

OK, I'd like to see Jermaine Dye because I think he wouldn't be too expensive to acquire and fills a need.

 

And he has to be better than his first half #'s.

[USSoccer]

Almost forgot:

 

I'd have called Tampa to see about Gomes and Crawford.

[Derwood]

I would have gotten more for Barrett

[David]

I would have kept Barrett

 

Fixed.

 

Oh, and can of worms - opened.

[Soriano12]

Almost forgot:

 

I'd have called Tampa to see about Gomes and Crawford.

 

You probably would have hung up after they demanded Pie, Hill, Marshall, and E. Patterson.

[Yestheydo]

I would have called around to see if there were any reasonably priced upgrades available, but kept the possibility open that no one affordable would be substantially better than what we already have.

 

Oh, yeah, that's what they're doing.

 

I do think it's almost Murton's turn.

[USSoccer]

Almost forgot:

 

I'd have called Tampa to see about Gomes and Crawford.

 

You probably would have hung up after they demanded Pie, Hill, Marshall, and E. Patterson.

 

Chuck Lamar's not the GM anymore. Gomes could be had very cheaply.

[NCCubFan]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

 

That took all of one post to completely derail. :roll:

How is it derailing? The topic of the thread is what you'd do, and Vance answered what he'd do.

[David]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

 

That took all of one post to completely derail. :roll:

How is it derailing? The topic of the thread is what you'd do, and Vance answered what he'd do.

 

DKWG has been trolling all the transactions posts looking to pounce on any Dunn reference. He actually had me pegged as a Dunn "fanboy" in another thread.

[CyHawk_Cub]

1) I would have avoided Kendall like the plague

2) I would have brought up Soto for good.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

 

That took all of one post to completely derail. :roll:

How is it derailing? The topic of the thread is what you'd do, and Vance answered what he'd do.

 

Exactly. The thread asked what would "I" do. I'd go after Dunn with a full-court press.

 

Of the players that might be available, I think he'd be a legitimate upgrade over Cliff Floyd.

 

Now, in more detail, I'd like Posada over all the impending FA. But with the Yankees within striking distance of the wild card, he's not available. "Hip Hip Jorge" would be just what this team needs.

 

But, if I could get Dunn for a package of Pie + Mateo + Holliman, I'd do that. Or mayvbe Murton + Wuertz or some variation of those deals without giving up a starter on the major league club, I'd do the deal without thinking twice.

 

If we got Dunn, we could try him in right, or better, move Soriano to right and then put Dunn in left.

 

His production whether we hit him 2nd, 4th, or 5th would be an improvement.

 

I would not look to add a bullpen arm. The benefit in comparison to cost just doesn't wow me at all.

 

I'd look at Dye, but unless he could be had for a low level prospect, I'd pass.

[seanimal]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

 

That took all of one post to completely derail. :roll:

How is it derailing? The topic of the thread is what you'd do, and Vance answered what he'd do.

 

Exactly. The thread asked what would "I" do. I'd go after Dunn with a full-court press.

 

Of the players that might be available, I think he'd be a legitimate upgrade over Cliff Floyd.

 

Now, in more detail, I'd like Posada over all the impending FA. But with the Yankees within striking distance of the wild card, he's not available. "Hip Hip Jorge" would be just what this team needs.

 

But, if I could get Dunn for a package of Pie + Mateo + Holliman, I'd do that. Or mayvbe Murton + Wuertz or some variation of those deals without giving up a starter on the major league club, I'd do the deal without thinking twice.

 

If we got Dunn, we could try him in right, or better, move Soriano to right and then put Dunn in left.

 

His production whether we hit him 2nd, 4th, or 5th would be an improvement.

 

I would not look to add a bullpen arm. The benefit in comparison to cost just doesn't wow me at all.

 

I'd look at Dye, but unless he could be had for a low level prospect, I'd pass.

 

I just don't think two months (+ playoffs?) of Dunn is worth losing Pie, and I love Dunn. If he didn't have that clause that makes him a FA after this season if he's traded, I would consider it more. I'm a bit of a Pie homer though.

[Guest]

What would I have done? Traded for Abreu last year at the deadline. :evil:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd like to see a deal for Dunn.

 

That took all of one post to completely derail. :roll:

How is it derailing? The topic of the thread is what you'd do, and Vance answered what he'd do.

 

Exactly. The thread asked what would "I" do. I'd go after Dunn with a full-court press.

 

Of the players that might be available, I think he'd be a legitimate upgrade over Cliff Floyd.

 

Now, in more detail, I'd like Posada over all the impending FA. But with the Yankees within striking distance of the wild card, he's not available. "Hip Hip Jorge" would be just what this team needs.

 

But, if I could get Dunn for a package of Pie + Mateo + Holliman, I'd do that. Or mayvbe Murton + Wuertz or some variation of those deals without giving up a starter on the major league club, I'd do the deal without thinking twice.

 

If we got Dunn, we could try him in right, or better, move Soriano to right and then put Dunn in left.

 

His production whether we hit him 2nd, 4th, or 5th would be an improvement.

 

I would not look to add a bullpen arm. The benefit in comparison to cost just doesn't wow me at all.

 

I'd look at Dye, but unless he could be had for a low level prospect, I'd pass.

 

I just don't think two months (+ playoffs?) of Dunn is worth losing Pie, and I love Dunn. If he didn't have that clause that makes him a FA after this season if he's traded, I would consider it more. I'm a bit of a Pie homer though.

 

That's a fair assessment. However, I'm at the point where I'm willing to take a chance at mortgaging the future if it means a serious run at the World Series. I wouldn't want to give Pie up for a player that I'm not certain makes a lot of difference. On the other hand, Dunn likely makes up the difference and makes us a 91-92 win team which I think wins this division easily.

 

I also think it would greatly improve our offense as a Ramirez-Dunn-Lee middle would be imposing especially when surrounded by Soriano and nice role players like Theriot, Fontenot, DeRosa and others.

[nilodnayr]

Atlanta is still trying to get Arroyo, but have used up most of their non-major league talent (that they are willing to trade). I'd insert myself into the picture to give up minor league arms for Renteria.

 

I'd see if the Twins would be interested in Murton and Jones for Hunter. Or something similar with the Reds for Griffey or Dunn. I'd add in minor league arms within reason if necessary.

 

I'd see what it would take for Ramon Hernandez, hes redundent after they drafted Wieters. I'd listen to what they'd want for Tejada as a plan B for Renteria.

 

The OF might cost quite a bit, but Renteria and Hernandez would be big upgrades that wouldn't cost us the farm.