Mike Fontenot

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Theriot is 17th of 28 qualified SS in OPS, 13th out of 27 in Runs Created(as a rate).

[Skyballer]

Theriot is 17th of 28 qualified SS in OPS, 13th out of 27 in Runs Created(as a rate).

so he is average, how is that a hole. Where do you get those stats?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Theriot is 17th of 28 qualified SS in OPS, 13th out of 27 in Runs Created(as a rate).

so he is average, how is that a hole. Where do you get those stats?

 

You can get OPS from anywhere, ESPN, Yahoo, etc. RC I got from hardballtimes.com

[TruffleShuffle]

I'd be almost certain that he is above average for most statistics for a SS. Where can I find those comparisons to league average?

 

.273/.327/.399/.726 is the average line for ALL shortstops, including backups, so those numbers are going to be down a bit from the average starting SS.

 

Theriot is at .282/.349/.370/.719

 

So yes his OBP is probably a little above average for a starting SS, but his power is definitely lower. All in all, he's not a terrible option with the numbers he's put up this year.

[Skyballer]

I'd be almost certain that he is above average for most statistics for a SS. Where can I find those comparisons to league average?

 

.273/.327/.399/.726 is the average line for ALL shortstops, including backups, so those numbers are going to be down a bit from the average starting SS.

 

Theriot is at .282/.349/.370/.719

 

So yes his OBP is probably a little above average for a starting SS, but his power is definitely lower. All in all, he's not a terrible option with the numbers he's put up this year.

Power is very over rated, especially for a number 2 hitter.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'd be almost certain that he is above average for most statistics for a SS. Where can I find those comparisons to league average?

 

.273/.327/.399/.726 is the average line for ALL shortstops, including backups, so those numbers are going to be down a bit from the average starting SS.

 

Theriot is at .282/.349/.370/.719

 

So yes his OBP is probably a little above average for a starting SS, but his power is definitely lower. All in all, he's not a terrible option with the numbers he's put up this year.

Power is very over rated, especially for a number 2 hitter.

 

Power is not overrated, except in OPS, where it weighs too much. But OBP is the more important of the two statistics.

 

Still, I think the bigger holes are in the OF.

 

In RF, the Cubs have the 22nd OPS in baseball, but the 28th SLG, which is really not good from a position that is supposed to provide some pop.

 

In CF, the Cubs are 24th in OPS and have a miserable .301 OBP.

 

And of course at catcher, the Cubs have a horrendous .597 OPS, which is 27th in the league. This includes a .205 BA (!!!) and a .268 OBP.

 

So yeah, I do wish we had a better SS. But there are three other positions on the team which are bigger problems.

[Skyballer]

I'd be almost certain that he is above average for most statistics for a SS. Where can I find those comparisons to league average?

 

.273/.327/.399/.726 is the average line for ALL shortstops, including backups, so those numbers are going to be down a bit from the average starting SS.

 

Theriot is at .282/.349/.370/.719

 

So yes his OBP is probably a little above average for a starting SS, but his power is definitely lower. All in all, he's not a terrible option with the numbers he's put up this year.

Power is very over rated, especially for a number 2 hitter.

 

Power is not overrated, except in OPS, where it weighs too much. But OBP is the more important of the two statistics.

 

Still, I think the bigger holes are in the OF.

 

In RF, the Cubs have the 22nd OPS in baseball, but the 28th SLG, which is really not good from a position that is supposed to provide some pop.

 

In CF, the Cubs are 24th in OPS and have a miserable .301 OBP.

 

And of course at catcher, the Cubs have a horrendous .597 OPS, which is 27th in the league. This includes a .205 BA (!!!) and a .268 OBP.

 

So yeah, I do wish we had a better SS. But there are three other positions on the team which are bigger problems.

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30 in SB, He's above average.

Out of 7 qualified for sb% he is FIRST :!: :!: , I'll take Theriot.

Edited July 31, 2007 by Skyballer

[TruffleShuffle]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

[Skyballer]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

[TruffleShuffle]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

[Skyballer]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

[E.J.]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

 

Did you just compare the Riot to Rickey Henderson?

[Skyballer]

and 6 of 14 in rc/g. guess that's not important either

[Skyballer]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

 

Did you just compare the Riot to Rickey Henderson?

No i said SB was important.

[Sammy Sofa]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

 

Did you just compare the Riot to Rickey Henderson?

No i said SB was important.

 

They're much less important now than they were in Ricky's heyday. The game is much more reliant on power now to advance and score runners.

[Skyballer]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

 

Did you just compare the Riot to Rickey Henderson?

No i said SB was important.

 

They're much less important now than they were in Ricky's heyday. The game is much more reliant on power now to advance and score runners.

Because we all know the Cubs are leading the league in HR :roll:

[Sammy Sofa]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

 

Did you just compare the Riot to Rickey Henderson?

No i said SB was important.

 

They're much less important now than they were in Ricky's heyday. The game is much more reliant on power now to advance and score runners.

Because we all know the Cubs are leading the league in HR :roll:

 

"Power" doesn't only mean home runs. And I'm not saying that stolen bases can't help the team from time time...you were stating that "SB are important" in terms of baseball in general, and they're not as important as they were when guys like Ricky were playing. Stolen bases should not be the major driving factor for a player to be signed/traded for/drafted/assigned playing time/etc..

[Skyballer]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

 

Did you just compare the Riot to Rickey Henderson?

No i said SB was important.

 

They're much less important now than they were in Ricky's heyday. The game is much more reliant on power now to advance and score runners.

Because we all know the Cubs are leading the league in HR :roll:

 

"Power" doesn't only mean home runs. And I'm not saying that stolen bases can't help the team from time time...you were stating that "SB are important" in terms of baseball in general, and they're not as important as they were when guys like Ricky were playing. Stolen bases should not be the major driving factor for a player to be signed/traded for/drafted/assigned playing time/etc..

Fact: the Cubs are playing small ball

Fact: SB are key in small ball

Conclusion: Theriot is a key part to this offense

[Sammy Sofa]

Fact: the Cubs are playing small ball

Fact: SB are key in small ball

Conclusion: Theriot is a key part to this offense

 

Are you going to change the argument every time you can't reply to the previous one that you also basically started?

[MPC]

Theriot is 17th of 28 qualified SS in OPS, 13th out of 27 in Runs Created(as a rate).

so he is average, how is that a hole.

 

it's not nice to call TT that.

[Skyballer]

Fact: the Cubs are playing small ball

Fact: SB are key in small ball

Conclusion: Theriot is a key part to this offense

 

Are you going to change the argument every time you can't reply to the previous one that you also basically started?

which argument, i never back down from one.

[Keener98]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

 

Did you just compare the Riot to Rickey Henderson?

No i said SB was important.

 

They're much less important now than they were in Ricky's heyday. The game is much more reliant on power now to advance and score runners.

Because we all know the Cubs are leading the league in HR :roll:

 

"Power" doesn't only mean home runs. And I'm not saying that stolen bases can't help the team from time time...you were stating that "SB are important" in terms of baseball in general, and they're not as important as they were when guys like Ricky were playing. Stolen bases should not be the major driving factor for a player to be signed/traded for/drafted/assigned playing time/etc..

Fact: the Cubs are playing small ball

Fact: SB are key in small ball

Conclusion: Theriot is a key part to this offense

 

The Cubs arent really playing small ball. They are stringing singles and doubles together, but there hasnt been a lot of bunting and such.

[Skyballer]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

 

Did you just compare the Riot to Rickey Henderson?

No i said SB was important.

 

They're much less important now than they were in Ricky's heyday. The game is much more reliant on power now to advance and score runners.

Because we all know the Cubs are leading the league in HR :roll:

 

"Power" doesn't only mean home runs. And I'm not saying that stolen bases can't help the team from time time...you were stating that "SB are important" in terms of baseball in general, and they're not as important as they were when guys like Ricky were playing. Stolen bases should not be the major driving factor for a player to be signed/traded for/drafted/assigned playing time/etc..

Fact: the Cubs are playing small ball

Fact: SB are key in small ball

Conclusion: Theriot is a key part to this offense

 

The Cubs arent really playing small ball. They are stringing singles and doubles together, but there hasnt been a lot of bunting and such.

so, someone singles and then steals and the next person singles now there is a run(usually).

Theriot is best at stealing on this team, he is not a hole in this team.

[Keener98]

Theriot is 11 of 27 in OBP in terms of SS for the league, and 4 of 30, He's above average.

 

in one statistic (albeit an important one)

How 'bout 6 of 14 in BA

 

okay so now we're delving into the unimportant statistics. Shall we head along to stolen bases?

I already did, in terms of unimportant, Henderson waves hello

 

Did you just compare the Riot to Rickey Henderson?

No i said SB was important.

 

They're much less important now than they were in Ricky's heyday. The game is much more reliant on power now to advance and score runners.

Because we all know the Cubs are leading the league in HR :roll:

 

"Power" doesn't only mean home runs. And I'm not saying that stolen bases can't help the team from time time...you were stating that "SB are important" in terms of baseball in general, and they're not as important as they were when guys like Ricky were playing. Stolen bases should not be the major driving factor for a player to be signed/traded for/drafted/assigned playing time/etc..

Fact: the Cubs are playing small ball

Fact: SB are key in small ball

Conclusion: Theriot is a key part to this offense

 

The Cubs arent really playing small ball. They are stringing singles and doubles together, but there hasnt been a lot of bunting and such.

so, someone singles and then steals and the next person singles now there is a run(usually).

Theriot is best at stealing on this team, he is not a hole in this team.

 

You are taking Theriot at his very hottest and basically assuming its going to continue the rest of the year.

[brinoch]

I'd be almost certain that he is above average for most statistics for a SS. Where can I find those comparisons to league average?

 

.273/.327/.399/.726 is the average line for ALL shortstops, including backups, so those numbers are going to be down a bit from the average starting SS.

 

Theriot is at .282/.349/.370/.719

 

So yes his OBP is probably a little above average for a starting SS, but his power is definitely lower. All in all, he's not a terrible option with the numbers he's put up this year.

Power is very over rated, especially for a number 2 hitter.

 

Power is pretty much never overrated.