Cedeno Up and Moore Down (confirmed by cubs.com)

[Mephistopheles]

Musk_Rat isn't knowledgeable.

 

I don't care what the hell people call him. It's like what pitchers call their pitches. It doesn't matter - the pitch type should be named by what it does. The fact someone may see he is a natural shortstop doesnt mean hes a natural SS. the fact is hes a 2B, you can semantically call him a natural SS but it doesnt change the fact hes a 2B.

[Rob]

The unintentional comedy value of this thread has gone through the roof. Calling Cedeno up has already been worth it, and going hitless the rest of the season wouldn't change that for me.

[wilk]

I hope this whole thread is a joke. It's all in the semantics of "natural." How ridiculous. He was a shortstop in college from sophomore year and was drafted as a shortstop and played there for Daytona that year. Then he was something like 45:55 shortstop to 2B from 2002 until 2006 when he was mostly at second for the Cubs. I think in his professional career he's played less than 50 games more at 2B than SS. However, from this thread you'd think someone suggested Prince Fielder was a natural shortstop or something.

[RammyFanny]

The difference for Theriot between Second and Short is a minimal difference (17 i think) shifting in favor of second for his MilB career. He played Short in college and is consistantly reffered to by knowledgable people as a natural SS.

Send an e-mail to Len and Bob or one to Muskat and you'll get the truth.

Just had to get in on that...

 

 

 

Anyways, does this even matter? He's a second baseman who's also not a liability at short. He won't be the best SS around, but if needed he's not going to hurt you playing there.

[Skyballer]

If you ever get a chance to talk to Lou, he would tell you he's a SS.

[Sammy Sofa]

If you ever get a chance to talk to Lou, he would tell you he's a SS.

 

You're saying this like you have.

[E.J.]

If you ever get a chance to talk to Lou, he would tell you he's a SS.

 

Have you talked to Lou? Did he tell you that? :lol:

 

If Lou thinks he's a SS, how come he "tried him out at SS" when Izturis and Cedeno were doing poorly. Seems like they didn't think he could handle SS defensively at the beginning of the season.

Edited July 24, 2007 by E.J.

[rickrolled]

BTW, here's an official link from the Trib on the Cedeno call-up. It says that Fox is likely the one to go down, not Moore.

[David]

LOL

 

This is hilaroius.

 

Theriot a natural MLB SS? Right.

 

Not a chance.

[Skyballer]

If you ever get a chance to talk to Lou, he would tell you he's a SS.

 

You're saying this like you have.

i've heard him say it before.

[Rob]

If you ever get a chance to talk to Lou, he would tell you he's a SS.

 

You're saying this like you have.

i've heard him say it before.

 

And everybody else has heard him say we'd "try him out" at SS.

[Skyballer]

If you ever get a chance to talk to Lou, he would tell you he's a SS.

 

You're saying this like you have.

i've heard him say it before.

 

And everybody else has heard him say we'd "try him out" at SS.

Which meant he'd try him as a starter

[Rob]

If you ever get a chance to talk to Lou, he would tell you he's a SS.

 

You're saying this like you have.

i've heard him say it before.

 

And everybody else has heard him say we'd "try him out" at SS.

Which meant he'd try him as a starter

 

Considering his only goal was to replace Izturis, who is one of the singular worst hitters in the league, and average at best defensively. Obviously, Lou knew that Theriot couldn't hit any worse. He was questioning if the offensive boost would be worth the downgrade on defense.

 

Downgrading on average defense = Bad defensively

 

Bad defensively = Not a "natural" SS

[Skyballer]

''The kid can swing the bat and he's got some energy, and I like the way he plays the game," Piniella said. "The problem is, where do you put him? Well, he came up as a shortstop, so we'll play him at shortstop and see what he can do.'' Theriot had two hits during his first start of the season at short on Wednesday.

 

http://allstar.rotoworld.com/scb/lm/reports/player.asp?sport=BB&Leaguenum=9592&Mode=&X=7670&Y=0

 

Note: the source is the Chicago Sun Times

 

Theriot said. ''Two years ago, that's where I was every day [in the minors]

Referring to SS

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/358886,CST-SPT-cubnt26.article

Edited July 24, 2007 by Skyballer

[seanimal]

Note: there wouldn't be a problem with where to put him if he was a 'natural' at a certain position and it was obvious that he should play there.

[David]

''The kid can swing the bat and he's got some energy, and I like the way he plays the game," Piniella said. "The problem is, where do you put him? Well, he came up as a shortstop, so we'll play him at shortstop and see what he can do.'' Theriot had two hits during his first start of the season at short on Wednesday.

 

http://allstar.rotoworld.com/scb/lm/reports/player.asp?sport=BB&Leaguenum=9592&Mode=&X=7670&Y=0

 

Note: the source is the Chicago Sun Times

 

Translated - He can hit pretty well...with DeRosa here he can't really play 2B everyday, and Izturis is terrible. He played some SS before, let's see if we can get by with his glove there.

 

I mean, seriously. Can you really be suggesting that Ryan Theriot is a natural Major League SS?

[Skyballer]

Note: there wouldn't be a problem with where to put him if he was a 'natural' at a certain position and it was obvious that he should play there.

The problem was that he played so many other positions as well.

And i also edited the post with even MORE proof.

[David]

This is beyond absurd. It's like talking to a brick wall.

 

For the record, I don't care that Theriot's defense is below average at SS because his bat has been alright. We would be better off with an upgrade though, but not because of his glove.

 

That said, to suggest that Theriot is a natural SS at the major league level....well, you'd have to have a very different definition of "natural" than I do.

Edited July 24, 2007 by David

[E.J.]

Note: there wouldn't be a problem with where to put him if he was a 'natural' at a certain position and it was obvious that he should play there.

 

Exactly. Why would Piniella be worried about where to put him if he was a natural SS, since he was obviously an upgrade over Izturis with the bat? Or could it be Lou didn't know where to put him because he's not better offensively or defensively than DeRosa who is the starting 2b.

[TruffleShuffle]

Why the hell did we call up a slumping shortstop who makes a lot of errors just when Theriot starts doing well?

 

Anyone know the number for ESPN?

 

Slumping? His power is a little down over the last couple of weeks, but I would hardly call him slumping.

 

He's slumping because he has a .294/.318/.341/.659 line in 20 July games, with a 15/3 K/BB ratio. My prediction is that his poor strike zone judgment gets exploited just like it was last year.

[Skyballer]

Why the hell did we call up a slumping shortstop who makes a lot of errors just when Theriot starts doing well?

 

Anyone know the number for ESPN?

 

Slumping? His power is a little down over the last couple of weeks, but I would hardly call him slumping.

 

He's slumping because he has a .294/.318/.341/.659 line in 20 July games, with a 15/3 K/BB ratio. My prediction is that his poor strike zone judgment gets exploited just like it was last year.

:idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:

You're CORRECT.

[rickrolled]

Why the hell did we call up a slumping shortstop who makes a lot of errors just when Theriot starts doing well?

 

Anyone know the number for ESPN?

 

Slumping? His power is a little down over the last couple of weeks, but I would hardly call him slumping.

 

He's slumping because he has a .294/.318/.341/.659 line in 20 July games, with a 15/3 K/BB ratio. My prediction is that his poor strike zone judgment gets exploited just like it was last year.

 

After seeing that line, I'm not too confident that Cedeno will be able to hit well with the big club right now. Maybe the Cubs are showcasing him for a possible deal?

[TruffleShuffle]

Why the hell did we call up a slumping shortstop who makes a lot of errors just when Theriot starts doing well?

 

Anyone know the number for ESPN?

 

Slumping? His power is a little down over the last couple of weeks, but I would hardly call him slumping.

 

He's slumping because he has a .294/.318/.341/.659 line in 20 July games, with a 15/3 K/BB ratio. My prediction is that his poor strike zone judgment gets exploited just like it was last year.

 

After seeing that line, I'm not too confident that Cedeno will be able to hit well with the big club right now. Maybe the Cubs are showcasing him for a possible deal?

 

if they wanted to showcase him, you do it when he's playing well. And you give teams more than a week to see him, since most other GMs don't employ the Jim Hendry "See A Guy Play Well Three Times and Salivate Over Him" method of team-building.

[soccer10k]

cedeno at ss, theriot at 2b, derosa in rf. scary as it sounds, that might be the best the cubs can do.

 

they need to upgrade this offense.

 

Minor detail but I would much prefer Fontenot over Theriot at 2B. But your point about upgrading the offense stands either way.

[Skyballer]

cedeno at ss, theriot at 2b, derosa in rf. scary as it sounds, that might be the best the cubs can do.

 

they need to upgrade this offense.

 

Minor detail but I would much prefer Fontenot over Theriot at 2B. But your point about upgrading the offense stands either way.

Yes Fontenot at second and Cedeno/Theriot in SS.