Here's hoping Bonds

[rickrolled]

I think Bonds was kidding about that.

[soccer10k]

4. If we are going to get on the cheaters, we need to get on all of them. Corkers, Scuffers, fake taggers, spit ballers and so on.

 

Do you really think fake tagging is cheating?

 

EDIT: Excellent post, BTW and you made some very good points.

Edited July 20, 2007 by soccer10k

[soccer10k]

I hope Bonds doesn't make an out this weekend but does so while not hitting a home run.

[Wheelimus]

I hope he hits 10 homeruns against The Brewers, helping the Giants sweep them. Then I hope he ends the last game by peeing all over The Brewers.

 

Why? Because at this point it doesn't matter. The record is his. Even if the baseball gods dropped a shattered knee on him, he'd still wind up getting it. Some team in the AL, after he had healed, would let him come in to hit 3 homeruns. Just for the curiosity attraction. Even if he is just a pinch hitter in every game who either homers, or walks and is replaced by a pinch runner.

 

It's hopeless, so just accept it and hope for some deserving player to break it. As already mentioned, A-Rod in about 7 years.

[Pushfrog98]

I think Bonds was kidding about that.

Ok, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who could tell he was being sarcastic. It seems like no matter what Barry says, everybody takes it as negatively as possible, without including any context or anything else about the press conference. I watched his post game conference and I thought he was actually pretty funny and not being a jerk for once.

[Abe Frohman]

1. Because I believe most of the venom towards him is kneejerked, because the media, MLB, Congress and the fans overreacted to a situation if they had any kind of sense they should have known about for at least 15 yrs anyway.

 

A lot of the venom is because Bonds has always seemed to have a "superiority complex." Barry used to be one of my favorite players because he was the best. He was colorful, talented, and you just knew you were watching greatness. He was the complete player. Everyone knew he was a jerk from what they read and heard through the media - but no one knows him. I was a big Tony Gwynn fan until the day I met him.

 

Bonds has earned his "venom." So has any other PED user in MLB, as far as I am concerned.

 

2. Steroids help pitchers more than hitters and I believe a lot of players were using and still are.

 

I have heard that steroids help aid in muscle recovery. That would be an excellent advantage for a pitcher - but a different benefit altogether from what a hitter would gain.

 

Both would be dishonorable advantages.

 

3. I also think if Bonds wasnt as much of a egomaniac that he is there wouldnt be as much disdain for him.

 

Bonds is Bonds. The rumors go all the way back to his college playing days. I know a guy who was teammates with Bonds in SF, and he tells me that Barry was one of the best teammates he ever had. Said he was a great guy.

 

4. If we are going to get on the cheaters, we need to get on all of them. Corkers, Scuffers, fake taggers, spit ballers and so on.

 

I disagree. Performance Enhancing Drugs are totally different than the above listed methods of bending the rules. If you can't see that the abuse of these drugs are dangerous to your health, banned in nearly every other sport, and that Big League ballplayers are role models for kids - than I don't know how else to explain that Steroids and other PED's are in a League of their own.

 

5. A large majority of fans dont care about the guys on their own team who are probable "users" easier to point at Bonds

 

I think that if Sammy Sosa or Mark McGwire were about to break the HR record, I would feel the same level of disappointment as I do in Bonds.

 

6. Its not like Aaron was a heart warming fan favorite. I am not saying he was Bonds but he wasnt Ernie Banks either.

 

We should seperate the personality of ballplayers since 98% of fans will never personally know said players. It is besides the point.

 

7. I think the main reason for the power surge of the last generation is shortened fields and watered down pitching. Steroids is just a smaller factor. Aaron also played during a time of expansion and watered down pitching

 

All of those things will factor in. To dismiss PED's as a reason for the surge is sort of a cop-out.

 

8. Someone is going to have to realize that there are a lot of 40somethings still playing productive baseball. Are all of them juicing. If not what are the reasons.

 

That, to me, is the big problem that the players are going to have to live with. As far as I am concerned, during this "Steroid Era" in baseball, all impressive numbers accumulated are suspect. The players had their chance to do something about it. They did nothing as a group. They all have to live with it.

 

9. Steroids and HGH are not illegal because they make players better. They are illegal because they are addictive and bad for your health. There are plenty of performance enhancing drugs. Koufax took a painkiller that is illegal to perscibe now. Players have always looked for competitive edges. If steroids and HGH were readily available back in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s I am guessing there would have been a large amount of players using then. I also dont think that the HR record would be much higher.

 

Ridiculous. Tobacco is addictive and hazardous to your health. Look, when you use steroids, you add bulk. When you are bigger and stronger, the ball goes further off the bat. It's physics. WHEN YOU ARE STRONGER, YOU HIT THE BALL HARDER/FARTHER.

 

There is a reason why they test in the Olympics.

 

10. Lastly and the one that really has always gotten under my skin a little. No one questions any of Brett Favres records and soon to be records. Would he have been able to perform back in the day if he wasnt using un-perscribed Vicoden. Really the media cant have it one way for one player and another for another, just because Favre isnt a egomaniac or is he and he is just friendlier with the media.

 

I don't see the similarity. That is drug abuse of a different nature.

[Abe Frohman]

I think Bonds was kidding about that.

Ok, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who could tell he was being sarcastic. It seems like no matter what Barry says, everybody takes it as negatively as possible, without including any context or anything else about the press conference. I watched his post game conference and I thought he was actually pretty funny and not being a jerk for once.

 

Good point. I was a little surprised after watching his comments about Chicago fans. He was very classy. Especially when you consider the abuse I hear he got by the bucketloads.

[cubscausestress]

bonds said he was going to rest for 3 days during an interview yesterday after the game. he was kind of smirking when he said it, but i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't play at all this weekend.

[Soul]

None of the Bonds apologist reasons make sense to me.

 

It's all about the HR record, people. If Bonds wasn't about to become *THE* de-facto king of all baseball, the man, the guy who will be the face of all baseball until ARod breaks the record? Believe me, I wouldn't give two craps about the fact that he cheated.

 

None of the other players who juiced are about to break the biggest record in all of sports. It therefore doesn't matter to me that others cheated. Like I said I wouldn't care about Bonds either if it wasn't for the record.

 

I have nothing against Barry personally, I could care less if he's a jerk to reporters. Actually, I find some of his snide comments funny and mildly entertaining. No problem with his bad attitude. Big deal, he's not the first and won't be the last.

 

It just really, really matters to me that the new King Of Baseball will be a proven cheat. And I think that's an incredibly valid reason to not like the fact that he's breaking the record.

 

That said, I've accepted he's going to break it. But I don't accept he's done it legitimately.

 

That's all, thx. Not wishing injury on the guy either.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

None of the Bonds apologist reasons make sense to me.

 

It's all about the HR record, people. If Bonds wasn't about to become *THE* de-facto king of all baseball, the man, the guy who will be the face of all baseball until ARod breaks the record? Believe me, I wouldn't give two craps about the fact that he cheated.

 

None of the other players who juiced are about to break the biggest record in all of sports. It therefore doesn't matter to me that others cheated. Like I said I wouldn't care about Bonds either if it wasn't for the record.

 

I have nothing against Barry personally, I could care less if he's a jerk to reporters. Actually, I find some of his snide comments funny and mildly entertaining. No problem with his bad attitude. Big deal, he's not the first and won't be the last.

 

It just really, really matters to me that the new King Of Baseball will be a proven cheat. And I think that's an incredibly valid reason to not like the fact that he's breaking the record.

 

That said, I've accepted he's going to break it. But I don't accept he's done it legitimately.

 

That's all, thx. Not wishing injury on the guy either.

 

So you essentially care only because Bonds is really good before/without steroids?

[Backtobanks]

None of the Bonds apologist reasons make sense to me.

 

It's all about the HR record, people. If Bonds wasn't about to become *THE* de-facto king of all baseball, the man, the guy who will be the face of all baseball until ARod breaks the record? Believe me, I wouldn't give two craps about the fact that he cheated.

 

None of the other players who juiced are about to break the biggest record in all of sports. It therefore doesn't matter to me that others cheated. Like I said I wouldn't care about Bonds either if it wasn't for the record.

 

I have nothing against Barry personally, I could care less if he's a jerk to reporters. Actually, I find some of his snide comments funny and mildly entertaining. No problem with his bad attitude. Big deal, he's not the first and won't be the last.

 

It just really, really matters to me that the new King Of Baseball will be a proven cheat. And I think that's an incredibly valid reason to not like the fact that he's breaking the record.

 

That said, I've accepted he's going to break it. But I don't accept he's done it legitimately.

 

That's all, thx. Not wishing injury on the guy either.

 

I agree with the posters that say Bonds is a total jerk, but you do have to give him some credit as a great ballplayer. Before we get all excited about Arod breaking Bonds' HR record, do we have any proof that Arod isn't using something? We are in an era where every batting and pitching record has a cloud of suspicion hanging over it.

[Soriano12]

I hate Bonds with a passion, but IMO, he could have still broken the record with the juice. Yeah, I don't think he would have had that monster 72 HR season...but he would have still put up around 40-50 HR's each year plus I don't think his body would have been as broken down.

 

That is why Arod will own that record easily. He is in such good shape he will probably be a 3rd baseman till he is 40, then could DH for another 5 years...if he choses to play that long.

[Derwood]

Before we get all excited about Arod breaking Bonds' HR record, do we have any proof that Arod isn't using something?

 

the same proof that Neifi, Macias or Koyie Hill aren't

[Soriano12]

None of the Bonds apologist reasons make sense to me.

 

It's all about the HR record, people. If Bonds wasn't about to become *THE* de-facto king of all baseball, the man, the guy who will be the face of all baseball until ARod breaks the record? Believe me, I wouldn't give two craps about the fact that he cheated.

 

None of the other players who juiced are about to break the biggest record in all of sports. It therefore doesn't matter to me that others cheated. Like I said I wouldn't care about Bonds either if it wasn't for the record.

 

I have nothing against Barry personally, I could care less if he's a jerk to reporters. Actually, I find some of his snide comments funny and mildly entertaining. No problem with his bad attitude. Big deal, he's not the first and won't be the last.

 

It just really, really matters to me that the new King Of Baseball will be a proven cheat. And I think that's an incredibly valid reason to not like the fact that he's breaking the record.

 

That said, I've accepted he's going to break it. But I don't accept he's done it legitimately.

 

That's all, thx. Not wishing injury on the guy either.

 

I agree with the posters that say Bonds is a total jerk, but you do have to give him some credit as a great ballplayer. Before we get all excited about Arod breaking Bonds' HR record, do we have any proof that Arod isn't using something? We are in an era where every batting and pitching record has a cloud of suspicion hanging over it.

 

 

His physique? Isn't that proof enough? Unless he is using a lean mass roid, but I believe that only benefits track athletes and such.

[NCCubFan]

Before we get all excited about Arod breaking Bonds' HR record, do we have any proof that Arod isn't using something?

 

the same proof that Neifi, Macias or Koyie Hill aren't

You might want to re-think that one. :D

[Derwood]

Before we get all excited about Arod breaking Bonds' HR record, do we have any proof that Arod isn't using something?

 

the same proof that Neifi, Macias or Koyie Hill aren't

You might want to re-think that one. :D

 

he was on amphetamines, not roids, right?

[NCCubFan]

Before we get all excited about Arod breaking Bonds' HR record, do we have any proof that Arod isn't using something?

 

the same proof that Neifi, Macias or Koyie Hill aren't

You might want to re-think that one. :D

 

he was on amphetamines, not roids, right?

True, but Backtobanks' post didn't mention steroids specifically; it just referred to Arod possibly being on SOMETHING.

 

If you want to play the nitpicking game so can I. :wink:

[Abe Frohman]

Just because a guy uses steroids doesn't mean he is going to be all hulked up.

[Soul]

None of the Bonds apologist reasons make sense to me.

 

It's all about the HR record, people. If Bonds wasn't about to become *THE* de-facto king of all baseball, the man, the guy who will be the face of all baseball until ARod breaks the record? Believe me, I wouldn't give two craps about the fact that he cheated.

 

None of the other players who juiced are about to break the biggest record in all of sports. It therefore doesn't matter to me that others cheated. Like I said I wouldn't care about Bonds either if it wasn't for the record.

 

I have nothing against Barry personally, I could care less if he's a jerk to reporters. Actually, I find some of his snide comments funny and mildly entertaining. No problem with his bad attitude. Big deal, he's not the first and won't be the last.

 

It just really, really matters to me that the new King Of Baseball will be a proven cheat. And I think that's an incredibly valid reason to not like the fact that he's breaking the record.

 

That said, I've accepted he's going to break it. But I don't accept he's done it legitimately.

 

That's all, thx. Not wishing injury on the guy either.

 

I agree with the posters that say Bonds is a total jerk, but you do have to give him some credit as a great ballplayer. Before we get all excited about Arod breaking Bonds' HR record, do we have any proof that Arod isn't using something? We are in an era where every batting and pitching record has a cloud of suspicion hanging over it.

 

 

His physique? Isn't that proof enough? Unless he is using a lean mass roid, but I believe that only benefits track athletes and such.

 

There isn't an inkling that ARod has used roids. There's very solid evidence, almost to the level of total proof even, that Bonds did.

 

If someone comes out with solid evidence ARod cheated, then of course I'll be against him breaking big time records. Of course.

[J.R.]

I don't care if steroids are in the game or not. If the players choose to endanger their future health by shooting up, that's a shame, but it does nothing to detract from my interest.

[Derwood]

I don't care if steroids are in the game or not. If the players choose to endanger their future health by shooting up, that's a shame, but it does nothing to detract from my interest.

 

the players only have a Ken Caminiti-like future to look forward to, so I hope it was worth it for them

[Soul]

None of the Bonds apologist reasons make sense to me.

 

It's all about the HR record, people. If Bonds wasn't about to become *THE* de-facto king of all baseball, the man, the guy who will be the face of all baseball until ARod breaks the record? Believe me, I wouldn't give two craps about the fact that he cheated.

 

None of the other players who juiced are about to break the biggest record in all of sports. It therefore doesn't matter to me that others cheated. Like I said I wouldn't care about Bonds either if it wasn't for the record.

 

I have nothing against Barry personally, I could care less if he's a jerk to reporters. Actually, I find some of his snide comments funny and mildly entertaining. No problem with his bad attitude. Big deal, he's not the first and won't be the last.

 

It just really, really matters to me that the new King Of Baseball will be a proven cheat. And I think that's an incredibly valid reason to not like the fact that he's breaking the record.

 

That said, I've accepted he's going to break it. But I don't accept he's done it legitimately.

 

That's all, thx. Not wishing injury on the guy either.

 

So you essentially care only because Bonds is really good before/without steroids?

 

No, I care because he wouldn't be breaking the record without cheating to get there. And the last thing baseball needs coming out of the steroid era (hopefully) is to have a steroid cheat as its face and image.

[Backtobanks]

None of the Bonds apologist reasons make sense to me.

 

It's all about the HR record, people. If Bonds wasn't about to become *THE* de-facto king of all baseball, the man, the guy who will be the face of all baseball until ARod breaks the record? Believe me, I wouldn't give two craps about the fact that he cheated.

 

None of the other players who juiced are about to break the biggest record in all of sports. It therefore doesn't matter to me that others cheated. Like I said I wouldn't care about Bonds either if it wasn't for the record.

 

I have nothing against Barry personally, I could care less if he's a jerk to reporters. Actually, I find some of his snide comments funny and mildly entertaining. No problem with his bad attitude. Big deal, he's not the first and won't be the last.

 

It just really, really matters to me that the new King Of Baseball will be a proven cheat. And I think that's an incredibly valid reason to not like the fact that he's breaking the record.

 

That said, I've accepted he's going to break it. But I don't accept he's done it legitimately.

 

That's all, thx. Not wishing injury on the guy either.

 

I agree with the posters that say Bonds is a total jerk, but you do have to give him some credit as a great ballplayer. Before we get all excited about Arod breaking Bonds' HR record, do we have any proof that Arod isn't using something? We are in an era where every batting and pitching record has a cloud of suspicion hanging over it.

 

 

His physique? Isn't that proof enough? Unless he is using a lean mass roid, but I believe that only benefits track athletes and such.

 

There isn't an inkling that ARod has used roids. There's very solid evidence, almost to the level of total proof even, that Bonds did.

 

If someone comes out with solid evidence ARod cheated, then of course I'll be against him breaking big time records. Of course.

 

By the time this "era" is over, I think we will find out that many players were using something even though we don't have any inkling that they were. Many of the players caught in the steroid hysteria have been small thin players, not bulked up giants. The rumors are starting to spread to golf, and they sure don't have players that look like Bonds.

[UBlink]

Just because a guy uses steroids doesn't mean he is going to be all hulked up.

 

And just because a guy is all hulked up doesn't mean he uses steroids.

[Abe Frohman]

Just because a guy uses steroids doesn't mean he is going to be all hulked up.

 

And just because a guy is all hulked up doesn't mean he uses steroids.

 

True, but we are discussing Barry Bonds.